F4-3600C17D-32GTZR: 2-stick SR 32GB B-die, thoughts?

[tabascosauz]

Thinking of picking up a set of these from the store this week, F4-3600C17D-32GTZR. Two birds with one stone kinda thing, 32GB and some better DRAM quality.

Current Trident Z kit (F4-3200C16-16GTZ) runs flat 16 timings at 3200 (not great, not terrible), but being D-die, has absolutely no more headroom to work with and literally zero documentation as D-die is evidently trash-tier. A real wonder that they even work at their 3200/16-16-16-36 XMP without any extra work.

Any thoughts, advice, warnings, personal experience? I am heading into a bit of a black hole here as I have shied away from tweaking with RAM in the past, and still know next to nothing about the quality of my IMC and board. I attributed the current kit's operation (and the previous Corsair's failings) to being 16GB as opposed to 32GB, but there seems to be more going on. From what little I've read online, there don't seem to be any major obstacles to compatibility even with Zen+.

Apparently they are single rank B-die, but the timings at 17 threw me off a bit. I thought Ryzen didn't like odd timings? Anyone running these?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I would look into 16-16-16-36 stuff. I see you're in Canada so terrible pricing... Even if that kit is Bdie it's probably the poorly bined stuff that corsair also uses for their looser timing 3200/3600 kits. You'd still need to tweak any set to get maximum performance even the CL14 3600 kit from Gskill does pretty terrible with XMP vs manual tuned timings.

My 2 favorite Ryzen Ram videos.

I know this is going to vary board to board but still it gives you an idea of how bad stock memory profiles are for Ryzen.

 

[tabascosauz]

I would look into 16-16-16-36 stuff. I see you're in Canada so terrible pricing... Even if that kit is Bdie it's probably the poorly bined stuff that corsair also uses for their looser timing 3200/3600 kits. You'd still need to tweak any set to get maximum performance even the CL14 3600 kit from Gskill does pretty terrible with XMP vs manual tuned timings.

My 2 favorite Ryzen Ram videos.

I know this is going to vary board to board but still it gives you an idea of how bad stock memory profiles are for Ryzen.

That was my thought too, until I looked into the usual retailers. For some reason, we appear to be in some sort of apocalyptic wasteland when searching for higher quality 32GB kits of decent speeds and timings. Did everyone's fabs and warehouses burn down?

Amazon, Newegg, Canada Computers, Memory Express... you'll find said 3600/16 Trident Z kits from spotty resellers for upwards of $500. Outside of those four, there aren't really any other reputable retailers here on the West Coast that anyone in their right mind would buy from.

Only ME has the Trident Z RGB and Trident Z kits in 3600/17 B-die. Only the RGB is actually in stock in reasonable numbers, I can get it for $229. I have a 15-day window to return them if they aren't going to work for me.

The Corsair B-dies came to mind, but all I'm focusing on right now is getting them to boot, and getting XMP to work if I can. If they can do that, I can start to work with the calculator. Maybe the safe preset for V2 profile B-die would be the farthest these will go?

My board does tend to overvolt DRAM slightly, I think. XMP is 1.35 and it's always between 1.34-1.40.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That was my thought too, until I looked into the usual retailers. For some reason, we appear to be in some sort of apocalyptic wasteland when searching for higher quality 32GB kits of decent speeds and timings. Did everyone's fabs and warehouses burn down?

Amazon, Newegg, Canada Computers, Memory Express... you'll find said 3600/16 Trident Z kits from spotty resellers for upwards of $500. Outside of those four, there aren't really any other reputable retailers here on the West Coast that anyone in their right mind would buy from.

Only ME has the Trident Z RGB and Trident Z kits in 3600/17 B-die. Only the RGB is actually in stock in reasonable numbers, I can get it for $229. I have a 15-day window to return them if they aren't going to work for me.

The Corsair B-dies came to mind, but all I'm focusing on right now is getting them to boot, and getting XMP to work if I can. If they can do that, I can start to work with the calculator. Maybe the safe preset for V2 profile B-die would be the farthest these will go?

My board does tend to overvolt DRAM slightly, I think. XMP is 1.35 and it's always between 1.34-1.40.

Considering how well Ryzen is selling it's probably all being bought up. I also remember hearing somthing about Samsung Bdie going eol a while back.

These are my results from 2 kits of this set.

Team T-Force Night Hawk RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model TF1D432G3200HC16CDC01 - Newegg.com

Buy Team T-Force Night Hawk RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model TF1D432G3200HC16CDC01 with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.ca

So if you can find a decent 32GB of 3200 14-14-14-34 for a decent price and don't mind manual tweaking i would go that route. I'm not sure how much you being on B450 will effect your memory tweaking but this kit took all of 5m to get to this level.

 

[tabascosauz]

Considering how well Ryzen is selling it's probably all being bought up. I also remember hearing somthing about Samsung Bdie going eol a while back.

These are my results from 2 kits of this set.

Team T-Force Night Hawk RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model TF1D432G3200HC16CDC01 - Newegg.com

Buy Team T-Force Night Hawk RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model TF1D432G3200HC16CDC01 with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.ca

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So if you can find a decent 32GB of 3200 14-14-14-34 for a decent price and don't mind manual tweaking i would go that route. I'm not sure how much you being on B450 will effect your memory tweaking but this kit took all of 5m to get to this level.

That's not going to work on a mini-ITX board. It's less of an apocalypse if we include 4 x 8GB sets and simply buying 2 16GB kits, but I need a 2 x 16GB kit.

Also, while I have bought many items from Newegg over the years, they're all items boasting 100% confidence in their reliability, or made by manufacturers whose warranties I wholly trust, ie. Noctua and Samsung. Maybe I have just been spoiled by ME and CC's 15-day no questions asked returns. Also, Newegg shipping sucks.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That's not going to work on a mini-ITX board. It's less of an apocalypse if we include 4 x 8GB sets and simply buying 2 16GB kits, but I need a 2 x 16GB kit.

Also, while I have bought many items from Newegg over the years, they're all items boasting 100% confidence in their reliability, or made by manufacturers whose warranties I wholly trust. Maybe I have just been spoiled by ME and CC's 15-day no questions asked returns. Also, Newegg shipping sucks.

Yeah I know that's why I was saying a decent dual dimm 32GB 3200 CL14 kit since they will be using the same bdie.
I prefer amazon as well and will use other sellers if possible but sometimes newegg is the only place that carries certain kits.

G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-16GTZSK - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-16GTZSK with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.ca

 

[TheLostSwede]

That was my thought too, until I looked into the usual retailers. For some reason, we appear to be in some sort of apocalyptic wasteland when searching for higher quality 32GB kits of decent speeds and timings. Did everyone's fabs and warehouses burn down?

Amazon, Newegg, Canada Computers, Memory Express... you'll find said 3600/16 Trident Z kits from spotty resellers for upwards of $500. Outside of those four, there aren't really any other reputable retailers here on the West Coast that anyone in their right mind would buy from.

Only ME has the Trident Z RGB and Trident Z kits in 3600/17 B-die. Only the RGB is actually in stock in reasonable numbers, I can get it for $229. I have a 15-day window to return them if they aren't going to work for me.

The Corsair B-dies came to mind, but all I'm focusing on right now is getting them to boot, and getting XMP to work if I can. If they can do that, I can start to work with the calculator. Maybe the safe preset for V2 profile B-die would be the farthest these will go?

My board does tend to overvolt DRAM slightly, I think. XMP is 1.35 and it's always between 1.34-1.40.

Dude, I live in Taiwan, none of the high-end stuff is sold here, yet most of it is made here...
CAS 16 is super high-end here and I can find one 2x 16GB 3600MHz kit here and it's sold out...
On the other hand, I can get Anacomda, J-RAM, KLEVV, Neo Forza, ORCA, UMAX and V-Color RAM here...

 

[tabascosauz]

Yeah I know that's why I was saying a decent dual dimm 32GB 3200 CL14 kit since they will be using the same bdie.
I prefer amazon as well and will use other sellers if possible but sometimes newegg is the only place that carries certain kits.

G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-16GTZSK - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-16GTZSK with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.ca

Unavailable.............like all the other eligible kits on Newegg. See what I'm saying? Maybe Corsair bought all of them, I see garbage Vengeance LPs everywhere.

Theres a Trident Z 3200/14 and a RGB 3200/14 at CC, both costing upwards of $350. I'd really like to keep that extra $125 if I can, if the difference is B-die and possibly inferior B-die. Hell, I come from D-die.

Can anyone attest to the 3600/17 kits?

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