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MSI Radeon RX 5500 XT Gaming X 8 GB

medi01 said:
Uh, when 4Gb 1650s cost around $180? No freaking way.

$200-ish is where that card should be (and hopefully will be, once 5600 rolls out)
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EVGA's 1650 Super is $160.
 
ShurikN said:
EVGA's 1650 Super is $160.
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1650 Super is 5% slower:

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MSRP of Sapphire 5500XT with 4Gb is 179 Euros.



AMD didn't undercut NV much TAKING BOOSTED CARDS INTO ACCOUNT, that is it.
 
I'm disappointed, I expected better. Maybe with the 5600 will be better.
 
Could you undervolt and downclock that card. Perf per watt looks terrible. Maybe AMD overclocked it too much.
 
medi01 said:
1) 230 is $30 more than $200 you are citing and 1660 super comes with 6Gb vs 8Gb
2) You can't compare market price to MSRP
3) 1660 is same perf, less RAM, it's "much better" or even "better" only in your weird imagination

Last, but not least, "newegg sells this for" is a ridiculous concept.
Announced pricing is spot on.

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Actual street price isn't way off either:

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230 is 5 more than 225 :), in talking about the reviewed card.
Sorry bud, i compare apples to apples, we'll see how the prices will be on amazon when they have it.
Show me how those 2GB more matter, if not, it doesn't matter.
 
gridracedriver said:
but how is it better?
now consumption does not matter anymore?
5500xt consumes half of the rx590
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Not to me it doesn't at least. The total power draw of my pc is already high. And if i did care i'll just go for the 1660 super...
 
TheinsanegamerN said:
The stock model is too expensive! For the price of a 5500xt 4GB, $179, you can find many RX 580s for $5-10 less on newegg right now, or a 590 for $179. Identical performance (superior for the 590). AMD has pulled a Turing, they haven't offered anything compared to last gen cards.
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Yeah, that's my problem they needed to better RX 590 performance out of the box... and this isn't showing that.
Had they hit that performance this pricing $200-220 for nicer model like this Gaming X might have had merit.

gridracedriver said:
Sapphire Pulse 5500xt 8gb, 200$ it's ok.
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I see this as:
RX 5500 - $150 MSRP
RX 5500 XT (or GV) 4Gb - $160
RX 5500 XT (GR) 8Gb - $180 for single fan (that peaked more to the RX 590) even if a 36 dba at load.
RX 5500 XT (GR) 8Gb - $200+ for a more upper crust dual fans, with LED options, etc.

Had these been able to clock more and hold on power, able to sit 6-8% better performance for something like this Gaming X the price giving today could be acceptable.
AMD/RGT needed to get closer to that 60 FPS average at 1440p for $200, and this falls short of that so these prices clearly aren't reflecting such an achievement.
That said pricing in the graphics card market over the last 18 months or ever since the last mining bust, both sides seem to think those inflated pricing structure are in play considering most gamers couldn't upgrade for a year and half. So they made boat-loads of money on mining, and now need/believe that gamers are okay paying these prices from a pent-up demand.
 
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Rx 5700 is consuming around same power and has more than double the performance of this. I dont understand how AMD made these rx 5500 series. they just show down themselves in the foot.
A friend of mine got Powercolor red dragon rx 5700. he is using quiet bios whic has 155w power target. after spending a weekend fine tuning and testing, he brough it down to 140w with more performance than stock quiet bios. I have always said rx 5700 series is AMD`s product of the year.
 
rrrrex said:
Could you undervolt and downclock that card. Perf per watt looks terrible. Maybe AMD overclocked it too much.
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It's in their binning procedure: targeted clocks needs some highish voltages to get as many chip as possible to qualify. Many of them will run fine at lower voltages but bad bins won't probably undervolt in any meaningful way without lowering clocks notch or two. Has it been targeted for RX 5700 clocks, it would have been very energy efficient. But then of course performance would have been lower too...

But it's XT, it should be full chip. Or will they release xtx version in future or is that damn Apple taking all the fully working chips on macs?
 
medi01 said:
1650 Super is 5% slower:

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MSRP of Sapphire 5500XT with 4Gb is 179 Euros.



AMD didn't undercut NV much TAKING BOOSTED CARDS INTO ACCOUNT, that is it.
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You meant to say that STOCK 1650 super is 4% slower vs a custom variant ....
Also you do know that the cheapest is 1650S $160 on newegg while the cheapest 5500xt is 170 right?
Furthermore cheers to AMD for putting out a product that is supposed to replace the Polaris line-up and it's slower than the 590, granted it's $10 cheaper than a 590.
 
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Chrispy_ said:
Yes and yes. Also yes you should.

Is water wet?
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AMD should put on their boxes "Undervolt Required".

Also, no water is not wet, it makes other things wet.
 
RX 580 8GB cards are easily had on eBay for $115 shipped or less. I Just sold one for $120 on FB Marketplace. This 5500XT at $200+ is a hard sell. I imagine almost anyone throwing together a new entry level gaming rig is looking at the used market or going nVidia, because that's what I would do.
 
medi01 said:
1650 Super is 5% slower:

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MSRP of Sapphire 5500XT with 4Gb is 179 Euros.



AMD didn't undercut NV much TAKING BOOSTED CARDS INTO ACCOUNT, that is it.
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You are comparing a $200 5500XT 8GB to a $160 1650 Super. Why not compare a 1650 Super to a 4GB version, which is $10 more and performs the same. Or if you wanna compare aib cards, an EVGA $160 card to a $180 Pulse. 20 USD more for the same performance.
Even if you wanna go the 8GB route, aib 1660 Vanila starts at $210 and is almost 10% faster.

They should not be more than 150 for the 4GB and 180 for the 8GB.
Which are probably the prices we are gonna see come January.
 
seems is not much better that my 1 year old rx580 ....not that i expected a killer card from amd...as any product there will be buyers
 
Had the 5500 xt been one of two things:

1) Cheaper
or,
2) The full fat compliment of CU's (That they bizarrely gave to only Apple).

Then it would have been worth it.

As it stands, the prices are too high, and for some crazy reason they have priced the cards against their own, instead of against Nvidia's.

All Nvidia has to do is use the 14gbps memory on the 1650 super and it beats it simply by overclocking the memory. These 'nice' cards are priced the same as 1660's which is just insane. Really think they've lost the plot.
 
Once again Navi delivers just enough to maintain a minimal market presence, but not good enough to make a real impact.
This is simply not good enough.
 
$25 too expensive. MSI should've aimed for $200. If it had a 256-bit memory bus (and thus higher performance to beat the RX 580/590/GTX 1060), then $250 would be acceptable.
 
Oh and one other thing... AMD/RGT should've never applied the "XT" moniker to both. If they can't sell the "true full-chip" but to Apple they should not slap us with a gelding and think it doesn't add to the "sting" that the isn't presenting. I think the 4Gb should been "GV", while the 8Gb used "GR" or something new. They can't just later pull the 1536 / 96 / 32 part out later and say well here's the "XTX".
 
Pretty obvious this exists only to satisfy investors that AMD isn't doing nothing. The channel is still full of unsold Polaris inventory, AMD doesn't want to screw over their partners, I'm betting we see massive price drops on 570/580/590 SKUs over Christmas and New Year, after which the price of 5500 will be allowed to decay to the levels that those cards were previously at.
 
There is no bad hardware, just bad pricing.

Its really applies here, this one pricing is just absurd.
 
When the UK pricing drops to no higher than £180 for a AIB 5500XT 8GB with fan stop I will buy 2 to replace the ageing PowerColor PCS+ R9 290 4GB's in their machines. Was hoping for it to be before Xmas but not holding out hope on that anymore.
 
Well I called it...

So the 580/590 is cheaper and sorta faster...

This is priced to go against a faster nV card and no convincing pricing argument from what I see. AMD thinks that because Ryzen is hot they can bloat the Radeon prices...

Seeing that it pulls what 180-5W in power virus mode and is gaming in the 130-140W range. Well at least we know why there's no big Navi, because medium Navi can scratch 300W, little Navi can scratch 200W, so if we had a 384bit Navi, it would chug power like worse than a V2... LoL
 
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Assimilator said:
Pretty obvious this exists only to satisfy investors that AMD isn't doing nothing. The channel is still full of unsold Polaris inventory, AMD doesn't want to screw over their partners, I'm betting we see massive price drops on 570/580/590 SKUs over Christmas and New Year, after which the price of 5500 will be allowed to decay to the levels that those cards were previously at.
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I thought that to... but honestly there wasn't a bunch of movement on Polaris 20 based cards over Black-Cyber Monday. And that was the time to move any old stuff out of the channel. Going through the middle of January you'll either by a RX 590 for $170-180 or get less performance and half the memory for that same price. Unless you play all day and you have high electrical cost to boot, I know what i'd would purchase.
 
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