AMD Allegedly Bolstering Radeon RX 5600 XT in Response to RTX 2060 Price Cut

[Berfs1]

What is?

The 5600 XT. They are listed under the "5000 series" tab

 

[cucker tarlson]

The 5600 XT. They are listed under the "5000 series" tab

who made those charts ?
5600xt has 12gbps memory.
and 5600 ?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I think you have to be fair to AMD here.

This is a shit thing to do but in the last few years, Nvidia have set up a standpoint where they are the market leader in GPU sales and are very Very aggressive in trying to monopolize their situation by (as in the supers) releasing price or performance adjusted slight upgrades to its product line to diminish the saleability ie supers but they have done this for a long time now, ti Gs Gt GTx, etc.

How would you compete with a company that waits for your release then strives to marginalize your efforts to sell it?

AMD's hand has been forced, do this shit or get beat in sales quarter after quarter.

They also have to contend with some sites reviewer biases, I saw many reviewers extolling RTX with two games at that time like it even mattered, to a lot it didn't yet was a major detractor for some reviewers.

AND FINALLY, I would much rather my chosen GPU company upgrade for free my GPU purchase by bios, then wait six months then bring out the actual full working version of my card and add super to it personally, I don't swap GPU's every year even and I don't want my GPU looking like the sad-sack slight let down version within six months.

 

[Durvelle27]

who made those charts ?
5600xt has 12gbps memory.
and 5600 ?

5600XT now has 14GBps

And 5600 12GBps

 

[cucker tarlson]

5600XT now has 14GBps

And 5600 12GBps

source ? is that official ?

I wonder how switching from 12 to 14 gbps is possible just before the launch.I mean they have to use different memory parts.or is it 12gbps factory overclocked ?

well,if it is,it's the same card,just higher stock clocks and lower oc.it's not really bolstering,it's factory oc.

 

[dj-electric]

source ? is that official ?

I wonder how switching from 12 to 14 gbps is possible just before the launch.I mean they have to use different memory parts.or is it 12gbps factory overclocked ?

well,if it is,it's the same card,just higher stock clocks and lower oc.it's not really bolstering,it's factory oc.

Who said it isn't 14Gbps grade memory running at 12Gbps?

 

[cucker tarlson]

Who said it isn't 14Gbps grade memory running at 12Gbps?

it could very well be
they were just afraid this 280 card can be flashed and tuned to match 5700xt

 

[Durvelle27]

it could very well be
they were just afraid this 280 card can be flashed and tuned to match 5700xt

Well looking back over past generations

I'm sure this GPU will match the 5700 at 1080p but at higher res the 5700 will pull ahead due to the bandwidth

 

[efikkan]

I think you have to be fair to AMD here.

This is a shit thing to do but in the last few years, Nvidia have set up a standpoint where they are the market leader in GPU sales and are very Very aggressive in trying to monopolize their situation by (as in the supers) releasing price or performance adjusted slight upgrades to its product line to diminish the saleability ie supers but they have done this for a long time now, ti Gs Gt GTx, etc.

How would you compete with a company that waits for your release then strives to marginalize your efforts to sell it?

AMD's hand has been forced, do this shit or get beat in sales quarter after quarter.

Whenever Nvidia launches something new or does price adjustments, there is always someone like you complaining about it, and pretending this is Nvidia being asses. Well, the same people keep complaining about Nvidia being overpriced, and you can't have it both ways, so which is it?

Clearly you don't understand how the free market is supposed to work. We (consumers) want multiple actors to react to each other and provide better deals to us. AMD's failure to produce competitive GPUs in the mid-range and high-end the past 5+ years is only on them.

This BS complaining was the very same back when GTX 980 Ti launched, or when GTX 1080 Ti launched and GTX 980 dropped in price, or when Turing launched, or when Turing refresh launched…

And no, Nvidia don't want a monopoly, that would result in many anti-trust cases.

They also have to contend with some sites reviewer biases…

Review bias is clearly in favor of AMD in most cases. Just look at all those review that claimed that GCN will be faster DirectX 12 and Vulkan. Or all the reviews claiming that "AMD gets better over time", without any evidence to support it.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Review bias is clearly in favor of AMD in most cases. Just look at all those review that claimed that GCN will be faster DirectX 12 and Vulkan. Or all the reviews claiming that "AMD gets better over time", without any evidence to support it.

of course it is.game choice is evenly ditrubuted across apis and engines,dx12 and frostbite get the same % share in reviews as dx11 and unrealengine,even though there's ten ue4 games for one frostbite game and dx11 is pretty much 99% of the games,and when dx11 is not preferred most of us use vulkan not dx12.
if reviewers weren't testing for the "it's new so we gotta include it" factor,it'd be a pretty bad day at amd.

 

[efikkan]

of course it is.game choice is evenly ditrubuted across apis and engines,dx12 and frostbite get the same % share in reviews as dx11 and unrealengine,even though there's ten ue4 games for one frostbite game and dx11 is pretty much 99% of the games,and when dx11 is not preferred most of us use vulkan not dx12.
if reviewers weren't testing for the "it's new so we gotta include it" factor,it'd be a pretty bad day at amd.

You missed the point; the claim people continuously make is that AMD is inherently better in these APIs, based on some outliers like AotS, and none of these early games are using these APIs directly anyway.

Reviews should contain a good sample of representative games, regardless of which API they may use. If it turns out that 80% of these games scale better on hardware from one maker then that's just a representation of reality, provided you have made a representative selection.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Whenever Nvidia launches something new or does price adjustments, there is always someone like you complaining about it, and pretending this is Nvidia being asses. Well, the same people keep complaining about Nvidia being overpriced, and you can't have it both ways, so which is it?

Clearly you don't understand how the free market is supposed to work. We (consumers) want multiple actors to react to each other and provide better deals to us. AMD's failure to produce competitive GPUs in the mid-range and high-end the past 5+ years is only on them.

This BS complaining was the very same back when GTX 980 Ti launched, or when GTX 1080 Ti launched and GTX 980 dropped in price, or when Turing launched, or when Turing refresh launched…

And no, Nvidia don't want a monopoly, that would result in many anti-trust cases.


Review bias is clearly in favor of AMD in most cases. Just look at all those review that claimed that GCN will be faster DirectX 12 and Vulkan. Or all the reviews claiming that "AMD gets better over time", without any evidence to support it.

first, that was my viewpoint of the situation, not an attack on Nvidia. though I'm vastly amused that I responded about an AMD card spec change and how that is ok, and your on about Nvidia launches?, how about you find one post by me in an Nvidia pr card launch thread bemoaning any of that for a start before claiming such.

Second I do understand, what I said was happening IS happening, and yes I fully agree it is a reasonable corporate strategy and not per se something to lambast Nvidia for.

My point is that it is unfair to lambast AMD for using reasonable corporate tactics to avoid Nvidias tactics, that is all.

Cleary you DO NOT UNDERSTAND, corporations like NVIDIA INTEL AMD do not want a competitive landscape at ALL, they don't mind competition but they don't want it to have much of a chance of success, so if they can affect that then that's a plus for them and a reasonable corporate strategy.

AND YES NVIDIA'S ACTIONS these last few years have been massively corrosive to any idea of sharing the GPU market bordering on gorilla market warfare, AMD release, Nvidia reposition, and repeat.

This is just AMD's way of staying relevant and no less OK then Nvidias, no better, but no worse, though I personally as I said prefer the card I bought not to be superseded so quick(not an odd or unusual attitude, in fact, the norm).


oh and im not getting pulled into some BS tit for tat AMD v NVidia shit they both have examples where they have shined or failed big, go figure.

 

[EarthDog]

it could very well be
they were just afraid this 280 card can be flashed and tuned to match 5700

FTFY.

It wont reach XT speeds...its short quite a bit of stream processors and memory bandwidth. 5700...maybe...but even overclocked I doubt it could.

Also, the 5600 is cut down further and only an oem part.

 

[cucker tarlson]

FTFY.

It wont reach XT speeds...its short quite a bit of stream processors and memory bandwidth.

5700...maybe...but even overclocked I doubt it could.

I forgot it's 6gb

 

[Berfs1]

who made those charts ?
5600xt has 12gbps memory.
and 5600 ?

Those are mine, and I am still editing the other info, however I only saw an update for the 5600 XT, and the 5600XT according to the new information is going to run 14 GBps, and not 12 GBps contrast to AMD's own launch. The only reason I changed it is because multiple different sources are claiming that AMD is boosting the frequencies in response to the 2060 price cut, which occurred after the press releases were made, hence why AMD hasn't made it into an official press release yet.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Those are mine, and I am still editing the other info, however I only saw an update for the 5600 XT, and the 5600XT according to the new information is going to run 14 GBps, and not 12 GBps contrast to AMD's own launch. The only reason I changed it is because multiple different sources are claiming that AMD is boosting the frequencies in response to the 2060 price cut, which occurred after the press releases were made, hence why AMD hasn't made it into an official press release yet.

Aha.

 

[cj09beira]

I do not like this trend of manufacturers sandbagging performance like this.

Unless these can continue to be easily accessible via overclocking, and not hardware locked.

thing has a certain die, that can have various performance levels depending on how much money they spend on vram, and how high they push the clocks, amd had chosen to keep power down with that one, and will now increase power to get a bit more performance to respond to nvidea's pricing changes, its not sandbagging, its not just limiting something as you are making a tradeoff, power efficiency vs performance

 

[cucker tarlson]

thing has a certain die, that can have various performance levels depending on how much money they spend on vram, and how high they push the clocks, amd had chosen to keep power down with that one, and will now increase power to get a bit more performance to respond to nvidea's pricing changes, its not sandbagging, its not just limiting something as you are making a tradeoff, power efficiency vs performance

yeah....
cause apparently they were fine with 230w on rx590 but 160w on 5600xt was too much
let's just admit the obvious,amd is trying to become nvidia,just with inferior products

 

[Vayra86]

I think you have to be fair to AMD here.

This is a shit thing to do but in the last few years, Nvidia have set up a standpoint where they are the market leader in GPU sales and are very Very aggressive in trying to monopolize their situation by (as in the supers) releasing price or performance adjusted slight upgrades to its product line to diminish the saleability ie supers but they have done this for a long time now, ti Gs Gt GTx, etc.

How would you compete with a company that waits for your release then strives to marginalize your efforts to sell it?

AMD's hand has been forced, do this shit or get beat in sales quarter after quarter.

They also have to contend with some sites reviewer biases, I saw many reviewers extolling RTX with two games at that time like it even mattered, to a lot it didn't yet was a major detractor for some reviewers.

AND FINALLY, I would much rather my chosen GPU company upgrade for free my GPU purchase by bios, then wait six months then bring out the actual full working version of my card and add super to it personally, I don't swap GPU's every year even and I don't want my GPU looking like the sad-sack slight let down version within six months.

This is the world upside down. The short, real and reversed version of it is that if you are not market leader and even THEN decide to take another step back and 'focus on midrange (read: do as little as you can but keep acting like you are relevant) you can expect to find a market where you are indeed being dictated.

AMD had this coming ever since they decided to stall GCN iterations, and jump into new hardware advances to keep selling us archaic old junk. Vega, Fury, and even Radeon VII are evidence of that. Its no coincidence that RDNA suddenly does manage to provide... And none of them were profitable for AMD and rightly so. So what they have now: their focus on midrange turned from choice into necessity and they have even more catching up to do. And more market share to recover. Go figure.. even now, a full year past Turing they still cannot quite match it: not in top (or sub-top) end perf, not in efficiency (though close) and has no RT. Painful. But they are happy 'baiting' with a fifty dollar price cut?! Last minute spec bumps?! WTF kind of business is that anyway? And why the hell would we care? These arent even baby steps, neither for red or green.

Its just yet another horrible business move played out in front of us. Stop blaming the winner for how the loser stopped playing ball. AMD doesnt need that kind of fanbase. I also remember an AMD that had an HD7970 and a panicking Nvidia trying to make its equivalent look better, even though it was more expensive and had less to offer. We didn't see any of this nonsense back then. What we did see was a full gen (7xx) that quickly followed Kepler and pretty much made the entire AMD stack obsolete with major price cuts and a small, but very noticeable perf bump at every midrange>high end price point. And AMD then countered with Hawaii, Titan became a GTX card and more reasonably priced... See, that's what we need. Thát is competition. The current exercise is just well played and timed marketing - in both camps. Avoid this gen, its that simple; if you want competition neither camp deserves a reward this round.

 

[WhitezZ]

Ok that's awsome but what happened to the Stream Processors? From 2308 to 2304???

 

[Durvelle27]

Ok that's awsome but what happened to the Stream Processors? From 2308 to 2304???

SP has always been 2304

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

This is the world upside down. The short, real and reversed version of it is that if you are not market leader and even THEN decide to take another step back and 'focus on midrange (read: do as little as you can but keep acting like you are relevant) you can expect to find a market where you are indeed being dictated.

AMD had this coming ever since they decided to stall GCN iterations, and jump into new hardware advances to keep selling us archaic old junk. Vega, Fury, and even Radeon VII are evidence of that. Its no coincidence that RDNA suddenly does manage to provide... And none of them were profitable for AMD and rightly so. So what they have now: their focus on midrange turned from choice into necessity and they have even more catching up to do. And more market share to recover. Go figure.. even now, a full year past Turing they still cannot quite match it: not in top (or sub-top) end perf, not in efficiency (though close) and has no RT. Painful. But they are happy 'baiting' with a fifty dollar price cut?! Last minute spec bumps?! WTF kind of business is that anyway? And why the hell would we care? These arent even baby steps, neither for red or green.

Its just yet another horrible business move played out in front of us. Stop blaming the winner for how the loser stopped playing ball. AMD doesnt need that kind of fanbase. I also remember an AMD that had an HD7970 and a panicking Nvidia trying to make its equivalent look better, even though it was more expensive and had less to offer. We didn't see any of this nonsense back then. What we did see was a full gen (7xx) that quickly followed Kepler and pretty much made the entire AMD stack obsolete with major price cuts and a small, but very noticeable perf bump at every midrange>high end price point. And AMD then countered with Hawaii, Titan became a GTX card and more reasonably priced... See, that's what we need. Thát is competition. The current exercise is just well played and timed marketing - in both camps. Avoid this gen, its that simple; if you want competition neither camp deserves a reward this round.

Nice rant there, i agree with your conclusion but would ask you to re read my posts.
They clearly mentioned that was my observation , they didn't attack Nvidia but you see what you see eh.
I would also point to my statement of this is a shit move but about the same as their competitors are doing too.

No red tint here ,calm yourself.

 

[ratirt]

I think now it is better Although the 5600 XT is not in the "place". If you know what I'm gettin' at

 

[sepheronx]

Well, the competition forced AMD to give an update to improve the 5600xt performance. Kinda scummy to hide that performance initially imo.

 

[ratirt]

Well, the competition forced AMD to give an update to improve the 5600xt performance. Kinda scummy to hide that performance initially imo.

Are you sure it is performance that must have been improved?