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Cooler Master Redesigns its TIM Packaging so Parents Don't Think Their Kids are Doing Drugs

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Der8aeur, the extreme overclocker and man who literally runs a thermal paste company, would like to show you you're wrong:


You can spread or do whatever you want. As long as there's paste covering the die, you're absolutely fine. None of the methods result in air bubbles as you've probably been told in the past. The mounting pressure of any cooler is more than enough to ensure all the air is evacuated as long as enough thermal paste is used.

The difference between methods is only that spreading it manually is the only way to ensure 100% coverage of the IHS every single time.

Even in his video you can see that the spreaded paste struggles to make perfect contact with the piece of glass compared to the others methods and even if in his video these air cells are on the outer perimeter of the IHS, so it's easier for the air to get out and the piece of glass make perfect contact with the IHS, it's not guaranteed it'll happen the same each time, and some air bubble might remain in the center and never let air out, consisting in that portion of hot plate and IHS not making contact and being not optimal, but yes it probably won't change that much, at least for long time, i still find the X or the dots in a square position the best way to ensure maximum coverage and avoiding air bubbles.
 
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My mother was packing some of my old computer things, decades after I moved to my own appartment, because they're out of space on their warehouse and it seems I've stacked countless 3,5 floppy drives and old cd-roms in there. A hardware graveyard, actually. Most of the things were for chucking away, but she still went to the trouble of cataloguing them and putting descriptions in post-its affixed to the boxes. One of the boxes wrote "small electronic circuit" (soundblaster pro), "bigger electronic circuit" (that one was a baby at motherboard) "and some kind of computer part syringe".

Guess I was the trustworthy kind of son. :D
 
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Who is growing up with this kind of parents :kookoo:
 
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This belongs in a big money salvia video lol
 
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My suggestion to our minor readers is: when you buy a TIM in syringe, leave it in its blister packaging, show the blister-packaged TIM to your parents, inform them what it is and what it does, ask them to look up the product on the Internet, and then unpack your TIM in front of them.

Yes, because no one ever kept stuff in mint tins before. The whole point is to disguise your drugs into looking like common items.

Again, just another solution to a problem caused by the same parents who just stick a tablet in front of their kids for the first 10 years of the kid's life.
 

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Parents who think thermal paste in any packaging are drugs, should not be reproducing

Try it being the other way around, your ignorant if you think a kid would not change the content's of some thing for some thing else.

Parents who are ignorant of their kid of getting mixed up in to some thing bad are normally the ones it happens too.
 
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Try it being the other way around, your ignorant if you think a kid would not change the content's of some thing for some thing else.
No kid is going to pay for TIM tubes just to empty them and replace them with a drug that can't be injected because the tube has no needle mount mechanism. I have to agree with Dr_b_ on that one.
 
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pure marketing. i hope no one takes seriously their "excuse". i loled so hard when i heard about this during an episode of the "wan show".
 
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pure marketing. i hope no one takes seriously their "excuse". i loled so hard when i heard about this during an episode of the "wan show".
You mean the same WAN show where, after reading the tweet, Linus' next words were "I think Cooler Master is social media savvy enough, that this is not what happened, but it's very funny, so good job Cooler Master"

TPU appears to be the only outlet online that didn't treat this as the joke it very clearly is.
 
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You mean the same WAN show where, after reading the tweet, Linus' next words were "I think Cooler Master is social media savvy enough, that this is not what happened, but it's very funny, so good job Cooler Master"
Yup funny as hell!
TPU appears to be the only outlet online that didn't treat this as the joke it very clearly is.
Oh, good grief not true. Go check out Techspot's article.
 
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Oh, good grief not true. Go check out Techspot's article.
You mean the article that reads "We're not sure if Cooler Master is joking with this tweet. It seems pretty likely due to the ridiculousness of the claim (and it's an amusing joke if so)" ?

They go on to say "that would imply that the rest of their tweet is serious -- the bit about the new design making thermal paste easier to apply, to be specific. If the company does feel that way, we can point toward plenty of PC enthusiasts that might disagree."

Which only makes Techspot look like idiots, because Cooler Master's own website recommends spreading thermal paste manually on every single one of their thermal paste products. But even so, at least they opted to hedge their bets by suggesting perhaps it was a joke, despite the fact they didn't do their due diligence by, you know, actually checking.

I really don't know why the tech press and enthusiasts are so in love with this ridiculous "pea method is best" thing. It's not as if even the manufacturers agree on this completely, but it did pique my curiosity to see how much they disagree, so you know what? I did some digging. Through the magic of *basic google searching* I have found a great deal of relevant information.

ProductRecommended Method (On IHS)DensityViscosity
Thermal Grizzly KryonautThin Spread (Applicator Included)3.7g/cm3130-170 Pas (130000-170000 Centipoise)
Thermal Grizzly HydronautThin Spread (Applicator Included)2.6g/cm3140-190 Pas (140000-190000 Centipoise)
Thermal Grizzly AeronautThin Spread (Applicator Included)2.6g/cm3110-160 Pas (110000-160000 Centipoise)
Thermal Grizzly ConductonautLiquid Metal Spread (Cotton Bud Included)6.24g/cm30.0021 Pas (2.1 Centipoise)
Arctic Silver 5Vertical Line with "Tinting"4.05g/cm3Not Stated
Arctic AluminaVertical Line with "Tinting"1.5-1.7g/cm3Not Stated
Arctic Ceramique 2Vertical Line with "Tinting"2.6-2.7g/cm3Not Stated
IC DiamondDot Method2.9g/cm350 Pas (50000 Centipoise)
Thermalright TF4Thin Spread (Applicator Included)2.7g/cm3Not Stated
Thermalright Silver KingThin Spread (Applicator Included)6.77g/cm3Not Stated
Thermalright TFXThin Spread (Applicator Included)2.6g/cm3Not Stated
Thermalright TF8Thin Spread (Applicator Included)2.9g/cm3Not Stated
Thermalright TF6Thin Spread (Applicator Included)3.6g/cm3Not Stated
Noctua NT-H1Dot Method12.49g/cm3Not Stated
Noctua NT-H2Dot Method12.81g/cm3Not Stated
Zalman STG1Thin Spread (Brush Included)2.86g/cm3Not Stated
Zalman STG2No Instructions Provided (And Zalman.com down)2.88g/cm3Not Stated
Intel "Pillow Pack" (G15816-001, likely Dow Corning TC-1996)Dot Method (No Applicator) 2Not StatedNot Stated
Intel Xeon TIMFull Spread Via Film ApplicatorNot StatedNot Stated
EK EctothermDot Method 33g/cm3Not Stated
Akasa ProGrade+ 5026Thin Spread (Applicator Included)3.23g/cm3100k cP
Akasa Performance Compound 455Thin Spread (Applicator Included)Not Stated76 cPs
Akasa Silver Compound 450Thin Spread (Applicator Included)Not StatedNot Stated
Akasa ProGrade+ 5022Thin Spread (Applicator Included)3.23g/cm3Not Stated
Akasa Progra 460Thin Spread (Applicator Included)3.5g/cm3Not Stated
Arctic MX-4All Methods, but Recommends 1-dot2.50g/cm3870 Poise
Arctic MX-2All Methods, but Recommends 1-dot3.96g/cm3850 Poise
Gelid GC-ExtremeThin Spread (Includes Applicator)3.73g/cm385000 Centipoise
Gelid GC-ProThin Spread (Includes Applicator)2.8g/cm3170000 Centipoise
Gelid GC-2Thin Spread (Includes Applicator)2.8g/cm3Not Stated
Prolimatech PK-ZeroThin Spread (Includes Applicator)2.6g/cm3210000 Cps
Prolimatech PK-1Thin Spread (Includes Applicator)3.2g/cm3310000 Cps
Prolimatech PK-2Thin Spread (Includes Applicator)2.5g/cm3250000 Cps
Prolimatech PK-3Thin Spread (Includes Applicator)2.7g/cm3330000 Cps
Corsair TM30Dot Method 42.5g/cm32300k cPs
Corsair XTM50 High Performance Thermal PasteThin Spread (Includes Applicator) 4Not StatedNot Stated
be quiet! DC1Thin Spread (Includes Applicator)Not StatedNot Stated
Alpenfohn GlatteisDot MethodNot StatedNot Stated
Alpenfohn PermafrostDot MethodNot StatedNot Stated
Alpenfohn SchneekanoneNot SpecifiedNot Stated73 CPS
Cryorig CP5Thin Spread (Applicator Included)Not StatedNot Stated
Cryorig CP7Thin Spread (Applicator Included)Not StatedNot Stated
Cryorig CP15Thin Spread (Applicator Included)Not StatedNot Stated
Cooler Master High Performance Thermal PasteThin Spread (Applicator? Templates? Mentioned)2.37g/cm3Not Stated
Cooler Master IceFusionThin Spread (Included... Razor blade?!)2.5g/cm3Not Stated
Cooler Master IC Essential E1Thin Spread (Applicator Included)2.5g/cm3Not Specified
Cooler Master IC Essential E2Thin Spread (Applicator Included)2.4g/cm3Not Specified
Cooler Master IC Value V1Thin Spread (Applicator Included)2.5g/cm3Not Specified
Cooler Master Extreme Fusion X1Thin Spread (Applicator Included)2.6g/cm3Not Specified
Cooler Master Thermal Fusion 400Thin Spread (Applicator Included)3.5g/cm3Not Specified
Cooler Master Mastergel MakerThin Spread (Applicator Included)2.6g/cm3Not Specified
Cooler Master Mastergel ProThin Spread (Applicator Included)2.6g/cm3Not Specified
Cooler Master Mastergel RegularThin Spread (Applicator Included)2.5g/cm3Not Specified
1 - Marketing Mentions specifically "Thanks to its excellent spreading properties, there is no need to manually spread NT-H2 before installing the cooler", implying Noctua believes thicker compounds should be spread manually.
2
- Intel's instructions are to use substantially more compound than most enthusiasts, specifying the entire "pillow pack" be used. This is presumably to ensure adequate spread in single-application environments where cleanup is not a concern)
3 - EK Specifically mentions that their other recommended thermal paste, TG Hydronaut, requires a manual spread due to it's "higher density". Since EK Hydronaut is actually less dense than EK Ectotherm, I presume this to be an error and Viscosity is meant here.
4 - Note that the cheaper product does not include an applicator - Corsair's paste has been poorly reviewed and is known to be a rebranded bulk compound with unimpressive specs, so I contend that this product's application method is determined by price, not performance


As you can see, "Thin Spread" is by far the most commonly recommended application method, being recommended by manufacturers for 37 products out of 53 (38 if including Conductonaut) whereas dot method is recommended by only 8 manufacturers outright, two of whom recommend both methods for different products. Two manufacturers specifically mention that the viscosity of their paste makes manual spreading unnecessary, alluding to it being necessary for other pastes of different viscosity.

Disclaimer - I put anything that included an applicator down as a "Thin Spread", because otherwise said applicators were being included without the intent of their being used. No manufacturer's actual install instructions actually contradicted this, as most manufacturers including applicators either specify a spread explicitly, or provide no instructions for install and presume the user knows what to do with an applicator.

Also note Arctic Silver's unique "tinting" method, which is both a spread *and* a vertical line method, fitting neither commonly recommended application method perfectly. If this is considered a spread method then 40 products of 53 come with a recommendation to spread the paste, not dot method.


To detour from this however, and to get back to the point of the thread, which is "Did btarunr miss Cooler Master's sarcasm" - I present this, from CM's own product information PDF:
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Something tells me that CM's social media isn't exactly given carte blanche to directly contradict their product pages, so perhaps we should assume they weren't doing so?
 
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Great, they look like tampons now
 
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Nice idea but no...
I usually using single drop or dabs paste
This design make it harder for applying that method

LoL. Our nation-favorite TIM mix of crayons and vegetable oil, called КПТ-8, still comes packaged in actual generic pharma 1ml/2ml/5ml syringes in retail. I don't think my grandma ever thought of it as drugs, when I used this crap extensively back in college. I'll make a pic once I get to my office. I still use it for FETs in power circuits.
Kids, don't do drugs :nutkick:
Wait, crayon and vegetable oil works well as thermal paste?
 
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You mean the same WAN show where, after reading the tweet, Linus' next words were "I think Cooler Master is social media savvy enough, that this is not what happened, but it's very funny, so good job Cooler Master"

TPU appears to be the only outlet online that didn't treat this as the joke it very clearly is.
in today's world, the line between a joke and reality is thinner than carbon atom layer. so, yeah, there are many people out there that would mistake thermal paste packaging for something thats not. CM probably used this fact as the base of their marketing, and for tech-savvy people this is just a joke but most people are not tech-savvy.
 
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Those rose-tinted spectacles aren't helping you out, dude. Perhaps you should read the post I made after that one, where I point out CM's entire product stack comes with applicators for spreading the paste, and their new product pages tout the benefits of this syringe for application.

But of course, while you're mocking people for not understanding thermal paste, I imagine you're far too busy to read the thread you're responding to, right?
 
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Those rose-tinted spectacles aren't helping you out, dude. Perhaps you should read the post I made after that one, where I point out CM's entire product stack comes with applicators for spreading the paste, and their new product pages tout the benefits of this syringe for application.

But of course, while you're mocking people for not understanding thermal paste, I imagine you're far too busy to read the thread you're responding to, right?
great job misrepresenting me mate. also, great reading comprehension skills. :)
 
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