Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[the54thvoid]

The possible scenario as it looks right now is that South Korea might be up for a second outbreak if they unlock the door again, especially to and from foreign countries. This is also the case and expectation for all those other countries that are having effective lockdowns at this time.

Given what I've seen and read, the most plausible scenario is a continued, reduced public lifestyle until we have vaccination, or until a large enough part of the populace is immunized through exposure. The current lockdown is not effective in creating the latter. Here in the Netherlands, thus far we've refrained from a total lockdown and limited public life is possible, people do go outside but keep their distance. So there will still be new cases but they will accumulate less quickly, keeping the pressure on health care manageable. I think this will be our status quo for quite some time.

Basically we just need a little bit of everything so nothing truly falls apart. That also goes for the economy. Total shutdowns and hard measures will bite us in the ass hard and the counter effect may be worse than the problem we're fixing. I'm quite sure that reality is going to sink in elsewhere in due time as well. Not trying to say 'we in the Netherlands have the best approach'... but it does seem to be the most logical one to me given all the info I've had. One thing is dead certain... it is simply impossible to keep people behind (voluntary) locked doors for any longer than a couple of weeks. Its a mental exercise the vast majority can't cope with at all. China needed a carefully managed totalitarian system and culture for it - we don't have that stick in the West and even if we did, we wouldn't accept it.



Italy and Iran have just one single thing in common: they both ignored it for too long and even when they did respond, it was completely uncoordinated. Hospitals suddenly got flooded and the better half would probably not even have needed to be on an IC-ward at all. Said it before... Italy has some of the best healthcare quality in the world. But the worst national and crisis management too.

You say why Italy as if the country isn't unique. Italy is also the country of the collapsed Genoa bridge... It is the country that built FYRA high speed trains for us and managed to deliver a dozen or so and each of them would be radically different. Every individual builder of those trains made their own small design tweaks and decisions, even up to and including changes in the components themselves. Half of them was back in maintenance during the first winter they were tested. Yeah. Italy

Italy... The numbers may surprise you, but they seem perfectly logical to me. Really.

This country builds a high risk structure over houses and then just stops maintenance. Another nice example is garbage. The southern half of Italy is a massive garbage bin, as in, there is frequently arising problem of garbage simply not being collected. Why? Corruption. The Mob. Yep... There are a lot of fat rich men in fat seats doing nothing over there and wielding a lot of power. For decades...
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Aside from the contextual relevance of too slow a response, let's steer clear of national mud-slinging. I'm sure there's a lot of Italian members that could take exception. What @Vayra86 says is opinion and scrapes past the requirements of being on-topic (imo). However, I'm warning against further posts like this unless they're justifiably drilling into the viral epidemiology.

 

[Vayra86]

Was not meant as mud slinging at all, I bet most Italians will agree. But I get ya.

 

[r.h.p]

Check this out from Perth WA ……...

Panic-buying at grand opening of Perth's first Costco

 

[Ahhzz]

I came across an interesting article regarding susceptible blood types. Obviously, early in the pandemic we're not going to have a large enough sample to give definitive info, but this shows an interesting trend...

Relationship between the ABO Blood Group and the COVID-19 Susceptibility

OBJECTIVE To investigate the relationship between the ABO blood group and the COVID-19 susceptibility. DESIGN The study was conducted by comparing the blood group distribution in 2,173 patients with COVID-19 confirmed by SARS-CoV-2 test from three hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen, China with...

www.medrxiv.org

I think even accounting for the difference in population percentages (see image below), the difference in numbers is significant enough to show that Type A Blood types are at greater risk than Type O by a far stretch...

 

[ne6togadno]

article isnt in english but table is screenshot from us report

statistics are by 16.03.2020 (4426 cases in USA) but stats in table are only for 2449 cases as for the rest of the cases full info is not available.
first number is for all cases in the age group. 2nd is for the cases where medical data is available.
the stats are in line with known data from China.

 

[Ahhzz]

article isnt in english but table is screenshot from us report
....
statistics are by 16.03.2020 (4426 cases in USA) but stats in table are only for 2449 cases as for the rest of the cases full info is not available.
first number is for all cases in the age group. 2nd is for the cases where medical data is available.
the stats are in line with known data from China.

Thanks for the find! Unfortunately, I'm afraid as is most of the "data" we receive from China, calling it "known" is questionable at best lol.

I've a friend from high school whose 20-ish children have discovered the border to Mexico is still open, so they're going there for a few weeks for vacation. I get the people who have to go places, and the ones who go out with a "really I'll have to get this at some point" attitude, knowing the risk, taking precautions where they can, and minimizing exposure both to themselves and to other people. But I don't understand people who decide to go ahead and travel to another country for vacation while wearing ill-fitted paper masks.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I came across an interesting article regarding susceptible blood types. Obviously, early in the pandemic we're not going to have a large enough sample to give definitive info, but this shows an interesting trend...

Relationship between the ABO Blood Group and the COVID-19 Susceptibility

OBJECTIVE To investigate the relationship between the ABO blood group and the COVID-19 susceptibility. DESIGN The study was conducted by comparing the blood group distribution in 2,173 patients with COVID-19 confirmed by SARS-CoV-2 test from three hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen, China with...

www.medrxiv.org

I think even accounting for the difference in population percentages (see image below), the difference in numbers is significant enough to show that Type A Blood types are at greater risk than Type O by a far stretch...
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Ok.....I just read that text yeah kind of interesting conclusion tho' maybe sample is not yet big enough we will see when we get more info from other countries....

 

[rtwjunkie]

Ok.....I just read that text yeah kind of interesting conclusion tho' maybe sample is not yet big enough we will see when we get more info from other countries....

No, a much lower percentage of infected are O+ than is part of the population.

Edit: Dang. You changed your post after I started my answer. Never mind.

 

[lexluthermiester]

My work week starts Friday, I'll let you know if I still have a job.

I hope you do. Good luck.

Continued research on this subject lead me to watch the following;

Worth watching.

 

[Ahhzz]

Ok.....I just read that text yeah kind of interesting conclusion tho' maybe sample is not yet big enough we will see when we get more info from other countries....

Absolutely, said that in my opening line . I just saw the numbers and thought "Hm, I wonder if we've done that kind of testing/sampling for some of the other illnesses we have 'floating' around". I'm hoping that there will be more hospitals and groups putting their numbers in a database somewhere anonymously to parse the commonalities and trends....

I hope you do. Good luck.

Continued research on this lead me to watch the following;

Worth watching.

gods, I hope it doesn't get as bad as the Spanish flu.. I don't have time to check the vid right now, but from what I remember about the SFlu, that thing was virulent as hell, with a rapid kill pace....

 

[lexluthermiester]

gods, I hope it doesn't get as bad as the Spanish flu..

Very unlikely.

 

[r.h.p]

I hope you do. Good luck.

Continued research on this lead me to watch the following;

Worth watching.

fRack me that vid is full on . .. It is so true I cant STAND COVID_19 anymore , I'm running for the hills soon im serious ill pack my backpack and go to the outback , and be by myself. There is no more masks left , a guy had a Hanky around his face down the shops !

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Also there are many claims&rumors that medics based on Ibuprofen could be harmful for those that are positive on Covid-19 maybe this is the hidden link as majority of elderly people in fact using this medications....Not sure what to believe anyway there are plenty of articles about this subject on net......
Here bellow I found this "fresh"video on this subject...

 

[R0H1T]

Looks like Germany is heading the way of Italy, with cases exploding & will put a huge strain on their healthcare system. Given they're still well equipped to handle this, would be interesting to see if they can slow down or halt the spread before the number of cases exceed their capacity.

Slightly good news that Italy's mortality rate is going down, though with more tests the number of confirmed cases is still growing exponentially!

 

[lexluthermiester]

Looks like Germany is heading the way of Italy, with cases exploding & will put a huge strain on their healthcare system. Given they're still well equipped to handle this, would be interesting to see if they can slow down or halt the spread before the number of cases exceed their capacity.

Slightly good news that Italy's mortality rate is going down, though with more tests the number of confirmed cases is still growing exponentially!

While the infected numbers have gone up, which was expected, the mortality rate has leveled off. Out of 14,000ish cases in Germany, there are still only 43 fatalities.

 

[R0H1T]

Germany is definitely the model for handling this, even more so than South Korea. Though again the key here is how far can you stretch or stress the system because any & every healthcare system has its limits. What this crisis has shown though is how easily we can hit them, now with "social distancing" & mandatory lockdowns I'm hoping we'll avoid the absolute worst case scenario across the globe.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Germany is definitely the model for handling this, even more so than South Korea.

I would say Taiwan is up there. They have managed to keep things under control as well.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Reuters finally added a map for USA:

The novel coronavirus in the U.S.

How COVID-19 has spread across the U.S.

graphics.reuters.com

A lot more here:

Reuters

graphics.reuters.com

 

[xkm1948]

Thanks for the find! Unfortunately, I'm afraid as is most of the "data" we receive from China, calling it "known" is questionable at best lol.

I've a friend from high school whose 20-ish children have discovered the border to Mexico is still open, so they're going there for a few weeks for vacation. I get the people who have to go places, and the ones who go out with a "really I'll have to get this at some point" attitude, knowing the risk, taking precautions where they can, and minimizing exposure both to themselves and to other people. But I don't understand people who decide to go ahead and travel to another country for vacation while wearing ill-fitted paper masks.

This is the type of attitude I hate coming from general public as well as governmental officials.

Data coming from China so they are bad? What the F is wrong with people? The US research labs had to relay on the Chinese researchers to provide crucial initial genetic information regarding the virus from the get go. So you want to throw everything "from China" out of the window?




Here, this MOFO genome of the virus where every major researcher relies on, coming from China

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 isolate Wuhan-Hu-1, co - Nucleotide - NCBI

Look at the author list:
AUTHORS Wu,F., Zhao,S., Yu,B., Chen,Y.-M., Wang,W., Hu,Y., Song,Z.-G.,
Tao,Z.-W., Tian,J.-H., Pei,Y.-Y., Yuan,M.L., Zhang,Y.-L.,
Dai,F.-H., Liu,Y., Wang,Q.-M., Zheng,J.-J., Xu,L., Holmes,E.C. and
Zhang,Y.-Z.

Oh bunch Chinese! Must be fake genome!

F*CK THIS



Jesus FKING Christ I am starting to loose it seeing all of these political BS during this horrible time. Once again, virus do not give a f*ck about your race, nationailty or political BS. WE ARE ALL EQUALLY MEAT TO THEM.


Quarantine works: When the Chinese did it all the media spin was "Inhumane, bad China bad" When Italy had to do it all of a sudden it becomes acceptable. If most of the western nations did not sit on their collective fat asses and pointing fingers; if these nations actually listened to all of the researchers and started actions way earlier all of this could have been avoided!


Also for you nutcases believe this is some bio-weapon, take some time to read this Nature Medicine paper just published this week. It explains all you need to know

 

[Frick]

Jesus FKING Christ I am starting to loose it seeing all of these political BS during this horrible time. Once again, virus do not give a f*ck about your race, nationailty or political BS. WE ARE ALL EQUALLY MEAT TO THEM.

That's what the chinese want you to think.

(joke, obviously)

 

[Ahhzz]

This is the type of attitude I hate coming from general public as well as governmental officials.

Data coming from China so they are bad? ...

Let me explain my stance. My wife is Taiwanese. She has family connections in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China. I've seen first hand the information that is provided to the public there as well as to the world over the years, and it is my personal belief that anything the Chinese government allows to be published or released has to be taken with a grain of salt, and compared.

eh, too far off topic. My statement regarding data from China is from a personal experience and exposure. I only intend to refer to being wary of the data provided to the world from the Chinese government.

 

[xkm1948]

This is Science, not the lounge. Wanna talk about your "gut feelings" go to the lounge.

I am done here. You guys have fun with your political BS.

 

[the54thvoid]

Some brief and pertinent info. Thanks to @xkm1948

 

[HTC]

Let me explain my stance. My wife is Taiwanese. She has family connections in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China. I've seen first hand the information that is provided to the public there as well as to the world over the years, and it is my personal belief that anything the Chinese government allows to be published or released has to be taken with a grain of salt, and compared.

eh, too far off topic. My statement regarding data from China is from a personal experience and exposure. I only intend to refer to being wary of the data provided to the world from the Chinese government.

Personally speaking, i have NO DOUBT the data from China regarding the virus itself is 100% true. Why? Because it's in their best interest the world finds solutions / mitigations for this virus.

I do however have reservations about the validity of their infected / death toll numbers and i wouldn't be surprised if the actual numbers were as high as an order of magnitude higher than those reported.

 

[Lindatje]

I do however have reservations about the validity of their infected / death toll numbers and i wouldn't be surprised if the actual numbers were as high as an order of magnitude higher than those reported.

Why?