Processor | 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | XTRFY M42 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
As I pointed out to him.
Other site's ran with DX12 ulti as the news piece.
Here it's Nvidia's pr piece first and foremost, laughable.
Microsoft have a top secret weapon against Sony, they have an ACE up their sleeve they will reveal closer to release date:
You will be able to run Windows 10X on XBOX Series X
System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
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Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
Heh gotcha. I'll keep my sensors out for that one more. Never really even occurred to me; perhaps Nvidia had a PR piece and AMD left it at the blogpost we saw? Its not like we don't see AMD news here. But we don't get a feed of their blog; neither do we get it from Nvidia. And we KNOW these companies have a different PR approach, with Nvidia throwing a few more dollars at it.
If they place a full fat Windows 10 on this machine I'm buying this for the next HTPC. 100%.
And if they make it homebrew capable of doing so with an official press release saying they will allow it, I'm game too. Heck its the reason I bought a PS3 back in the day. The console as just a gaming machine is useless to me.
System Name | Pioneer |
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Processor | Ryzen R9 7950X |
Motherboard | GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans... |
Memory | 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30 |
Video Card(s) | XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310 |
Storage | Intel 905p Optane 960GB boot, +2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs |
Display(s) | 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display |
Case | Thermaltake Core X31 |
Audio Device(s) | TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED |
Power Supply | FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W |
Mouse | Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless |
Keyboard | WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps |
Software | Gentoo Linux x64 / Windows 11 Enterprise IoT 2024 |
DEC Alpha ?
System Name | Compy 386 |
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Processor | 7800X3D |
Motherboard | Asus |
Cooling | Air for now..... |
Memory | 64 GB DDR5 6400Mhz |
Video Card(s) | 7900XTX 310 Merc |
Storage | Samsung 990 2TB, 2 SP 2TB SSDs, 24TB Enterprise drives |
Display(s) | 55" Samsung 4K HDR |
Audio Device(s) | ATI HDMI |
Mouse | Logitech MX518 |
Keyboard | Razer |
Software | A lot. |
Benchmark Scores | Its fast. Enough. |
It doesn't depend on the engineers, though. This is politics with Intel having the upper hand.
The answer to your first question is "no". x86 is a dead-end ISA. It hits both an IPC wall and a frequency wall. And core count is limited by stuff as Amdhlaw law, as you mention. Next figure show the IPC and the frequency walls than Intel chips have been approaching in late years. Frequency is bound by about 5GHz and IPC is bound by about 8-wide
This deceleration on CPU development doesn't have anything to do with lack of competition, but it is a consequence of physical and technological limits and that is why the deceleration affects to everyone, not only Intel. For instance this is a visual representation of the frequency wall for Intel, AMD, IBM, Sun DEC and others.
The existence of the IPC wall has been known since the 80s or so. It is the reason why Intel tried to use the migration from 32bit to 64bit to replace the x86 ISA by a new scalable ISA. The approach failed miserably (specially because it relied on the existence of a smart enough compiler that never was built), but at least Intel and HP engineers tried.
There is absolutely nothing that AMD and Intel engineers can do to solve the current situation. Academic and industrial researchers (including people at Intel labs) have been investigating lots of new architectures and microarchitectures during decades, but not one of the proposals has worked well enough to be moved to commercial production.
Of course, engineers can optimize the existing commercial muarchs here and there to get 2% IPC here and 4% there... and foundry engineers can optimize this and that to get some MHz here and some MHz there from the next node. But that is all.
There are some academics that are working in a continuation of Intel EPIC: the guys of the Mill CPU group are working on a very wide VLIW muarch (up to 33-wide) with some improvements over the original Intel approach and much more advanced compilers. Some technical discussion abouy the Mill happened in RWT the past year, with Ivan Godard (chief of the Mill project and a compiler guy). As many therein I am completely skeptical about the Mill project. I think it will be another fiasco.
As explained before, adding more cores is limited by Amdahl law. This is not a programing model problem, but just a consequence of the sequential nature of some algorithms.
A big.LITTLE approach does not solve the performance problem, because the sequential portions of code will have to be executed on the big cores, whose performance will continue being limited by both frequency and IPC, as it happens on current cores.
Moreover, those heterogeneous approaches have the additional problem that the partition of silicon into big and small is static and made during the design phase, whereas different applications require different combinations of latency and throughput: one application would work better on a 16 BIG + 256 LITTLE configuration, whereas another application would work better on a 4 BIG + 1024 LITTLE configuration. If your heterogeneous CPU is 8 BIG + 512 LITTLE, then those two applications will run inefficiently compared to the respective optimal silicon cases.
System Name | Compy 386 |
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Processor | 7800X3D |
Motherboard | Asus |
Cooling | Air for now..... |
Memory | 64 GB DDR5 6400Mhz |
Video Card(s) | 7900XTX 310 Merc |
Storage | Samsung 990 2TB, 2 SP 2TB SSDs, 24TB Enterprise drives |
Display(s) | 55" Samsung 4K HDR |
Audio Device(s) | ATI HDMI |
Mouse | Logitech MX518 |
Keyboard | Razer |
Software | A lot. |
Benchmark Scores | Its fast. Enough. |
The reason why I raised the question is because of some very serious concerns and actually it turns out to be a general consensus that x86 hits IPC and clock ceiling and further development won't be possible.
System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
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Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
Are you ever going to be relevant though, that's the question?.There is a great thread on the matter at https://hardforum.com/threads/have-...in-cpu-microarchitecture-performance.1953702/
The reason why I raised the question is because of some very serious concerns and actually it turns out to be a general consensus that x86 hits IPC and clock ceiling and further development won't be possible.
Since this, a new architecture and standard will be needed at some point in the future.
I expect it to become clear in 2-3 years.
System Name | Skunkworks |
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Processor | 5800x3d |
Motherboard | x570 unify |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U12A |
Memory | 32GB 3600 mhz |
Video Card(s) | asrock 6800xt challenger D |
Storage | Sabarent rocket 4.0 2TB, MX 500 2TB |
Display(s) | Asus 1440p144 27" |
Case | Old arse cooler master 932 |
Power Supply | Corsair 1200w platinum |
Mouse | *squeak* |
Keyboard | Some old office thing |
Software | openSUSE tumbleweed/Mint 21.2 |
Oh, of course a bunch of HardOCP posters are more knowledgeable then silicon engineers. Would explain how, after this thread was created, ryzen 3000 came and smashed that IPC ceiling right in the face. And ryzen 4000 is coming this year with even more performance improvements. OOOF. If you took ARM, scaled it up with large caches and cores complex enough to match X86 processors in a variety of applications, they would pull just as much power, because current ARM designs can only match x86 in geekbench. Throw anything remotely demanding at them and they choke. DEC is long dead. The RISC vs CISC argument was beaten to death in the 90s.There is a great thread on the matter at https://hardforum.com/threads/have-...in-cpu-microarchitecture-performance.1953702/
The reason why I raised the question is because of some very serious concerns and actually it turns out to be a general consensus that x86 hits IPC and clock ceiling and further development won't be possible.
Since this, a new architecture and standard will be needed at some point in the future.
I expect it to become clear in 2-3 years.
System Name | Firelance. |
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Processor | Threadripper 3960X |
Motherboard | ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming |
Cooling | IceGem 360 + 6x Arctic Cooling P12 |
Memory | 8x 16GB Patriot Viper DDR4-3200 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Ventus 2X OC |
Storage | 2TB WD SN850X (boot), 4TB Crucial P3 (data) |
Display(s) | 3x AOC Q32E2N (32" 2560x1440 75Hz) |
Case | Enthoo Pro II Server Edition (Closed Panel) + 6 fans |
Power Supply | Fractal Design Ion+ 2 Platinum 760W |
Mouse | Logitech G602 |
Keyboard | Logitech G613 |
Software | Windows 10 Professional x64 |
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK |
Cooling | AMD Wraith Prism |
Memory | Team Group Dark Pro 8Pack Edition 3600Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 FE |
Storage | Kingston A2000 1TB + Seagate HDD workhorse |
Display(s) | Samsung 50" QN94A Neo QLED |
Case | Antec 1200 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus GX-850 |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Chroma |
Keyboard | Logitech UltraX |
Software | Windows 11 |
System Name | PCGOD |
---|---|
Processor | AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz |
Motherboard | Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios |
Cooling | Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED |
Memory | 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V) |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X |
Storage | Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB |
Display(s) | NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter) |
Case | AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR |
Power Supply | Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3) |
Mouse | Roccat Kone XTD |
Keyboard | Roccat Ryos MK Pro |
Software | Windows 7 Pro 64 |
Microsoft have a top secret weapon against Sony, they have an ACE up their sleeve they will reveal closer to release date:
You will be able to run Windows 10X on XBOX Series X
Considering DEC Alpha is literally discontinued, no.
System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
---|---|
Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
As a demo, I'd agree , I think the same but the ray's were cool just a bit wtf ISH in totality.Damn, If people were hoping AMD would drop some classy yet subtle high class ray tracing demo, they just got burnt.
That already looks dated, quite a feat.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE |
Memory | 2x16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 Rev E @ 3800 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | RTX3080 Ti FE |
Storage | SX8200 Pro 1 TB, Plextor M6Pro 256 GB, WD Blue 2TB |
Display(s) | LG 34GN850P-B |
Case | SilverStone Primera PM01 RGB |
Audio Device(s) | SoundBlaster G6 | Fidelio X2 | Sennheiser 6XX |
Power Supply | SeaSonic Focus Plus Gold 750W |
Mouse | Endgame Gear XM1R |
Keyboard | Wooting Two HE |
That demo is hideous.
While we do not know why Microsoft decided to call this the "Ultimate" version, it is possibly used to convey clearer information about which features are supported by the hardware. In the leaked slide there is a mention of consoles as well, so it is coming to that platform as well.
System Name | Firelance. |
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Processor | Threadripper 3960X |
Motherboard | ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming |
Cooling | IceGem 360 + 6x Arctic Cooling P12 |
Memory | 8x 16GB Patriot Viper DDR4-3200 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Ventus 2X OC |
Storage | 2TB WD SN850X (boot), 4TB Crucial P3 (data) |
Display(s) | 3x AOC Q32E2N (32" 2560x1440 75Hz) |
Case | Enthoo Pro II Server Edition (Closed Panel) + 6 fans |
Power Supply | Fractal Design Ion+ 2 Platinum 760W |
Mouse | Logitech G602 |
Keyboard | Logitech G613 |
Software | Windows 10 Professional x64 |
It's a great source of income for AMD whose RDNA 1.0 products are not DX12 Ultimate compatible. Now all their fans will have to buy new RDNA2.0 cards because, "Your GPU is not DX12 Ultimate compatible! Shame on you!"
When RDNA1.0 cards were first out I already told that their buyers are screwed and now they really are. With all the hate/flak NVIDIA receives from AMD fans, NVIDIA's products have turned out to be more future-proof. What a shame.
Processor | 7800X3D |
---|---|
Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | XTRFY M42 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
It's a great source of income for AMD whose RDNA 1.0 products are not DX12 Ultimate compatible. Now all their fans will have to buy new RDNA2.0 cards because, "Your GPU is not DX12 Ultimate compatible! Shame on you!"
When RDNA1.0 cards were first out I already told that their buyers are screwed and now they really are. With all the hate/flak NVIDIA receives from AMD fans, NVIDIA's products have turned out to be more future-proof. What a shame.