Editorial Microsoft DirectX 12 Ultimate: Why it Helps Gamers Pick Future Proof Graphics Cards

[Fluffmeister]

Man Turing FineWine while Navi Gen1 does not even support Tier1 VRS. Big oof.

Indeedy! You gained like over 75% performance on 3D Mark's VRS test! It's a nice feature that should get a lot of love from developers now RDNA2 finally brings AMD on par with Turing.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I wrote Large parts of the editorial btw. Not sure where I implied they are eol. I don't doubt for a second, that if microsoft marketing works, people will look for cards with ultimate badge, very soon, even if other cards will run any game just fine - just like when dx12 came out amd people suddenly wanted to future proof, buying dx12 cards

For clarity "

As it stands, the "Navi"-based Radeon RX 5000 series are "obsolete", just like some Turing cards from the GeForce GTX 16-series. At this time, the only shipping product which features the logo is NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 20-series and the TITAN RTX, as they support all the above features."

Does obsolete not imply Eol, certainly does in England.

 

[Fouquin]

steam stats show more use Turing cards than navi

nVidia is outselling AMD nearly 5/1 if you're basing sales stats on Steam's hardware survey. So obviously more Turing cards are out there than Navi just going by the gargantuan discrepancy in hardware shipped. important to point out though that 2/3 of the top selling Turing cards on the list (1660 Ti and 1650) have no RT cores enabled, and thus cannot take advantage of RTX.

and more than most older cards too.

Oh sure. You just need to ignore the top 32.72% of cards being Pascal.

 

[W1zzard]

"obsolete"

Scare quotes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Scare quotes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Dramma required was it?

 

[W1zzard]

Dramma required was it?

Which drama? How would you write what I wrote?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Which drama? How would you write what I wrote?

I wouldn't have included the word obsolete , surely that's clear from what I have said.
You knew what word I meant so?.

 

[W1zzard]

I wouldn't have included the word obsolete , surely that's clear from what I have said.
You knew what word I meant so?.

It was kinda obvious that you didn't understand the quote usage, probably still don't or are simply trying to create drama

 

[vega22]

That's a joke or?

A consumer product which perofrmance degrades over short time? Don't know if that is leagal in the us

Like nearly every smartphone ever, you mean?

Rtrt is still not common in games and those it is most I know who can don't for FPS reasons. This is the main reason I and many others bashed it when Nvidia released it. Very few gamers run with all the eye candy on all the time as it distracts you from frags.

I also bashed on Nvidia for the way they marketed it, like they had just invented RT....

I don't know anybody who said rtrt was not the future of gaming, just that future was a couple of GPU gen away and as such amd needed to get it right and not right now.

Back to the topic.

Another new dx12..... If games take 2 years to come out using it well I would be shocked and think 4 years before it becomes well executed and widespread and is more realistic.

 

[Fluffmeister]

There must be some sort of pandemic going on, AMD fans playing down DX12_2, it's either the future or it isn't... make your minds up.

I suspect the two big consoles will help adoption rates of this new (read 2018) tech once they finally hit the market.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

It was kinda obvious that you didn't understand the quote usage, probably still don't or are simply trying to create drama

Clearly, just like you are failing to understand how easy that was given what you wrote.
I'm English, we get satire ,but that didn't come through right to me.
But no drama here just one opinion so far.

 

[nikoya]

Thank you guys for writing this article. I liked it.

I love the hype regarding RTX. we are all gamers here. we all love nice graphics. they certainly improve the game experience, most of you started like me on DOS games or even earlier. so when we see the jump from that time this is just like sooo amazing.

Going to play Doom this weekend. thanks to the post of Techpowerup team. Great graphics. Great shooting. Fun. I just rushed on Steam to buy it.

Visual beauty of renderings "offered" to us is like a fresh beer in summer. and for many it's a quest.

When you start to look at buying a mountain bike. you'll look at the 4000 5000Euros ones and say Woooaa amazing stuff. because their marketing teams create the hype with all these new features and small improvements praised by amazing videos. for sure you don't need all that stuff to get the fun.
In the end you are only gonna buy the 1000-1500 Euros price range or less, of the brand that made the most hype. but you're still dreaming about all the new techno all arround, and proud that you are part of it.

some people like me have the need to dream about all these new stuff.

When I see RTX Im like Woouaa. but not only RTX... 4K60 ultra...

I don't own RTX now. but I dream that one day I will.

conclusion : fridge > beer > DOOM !

 

[eidairaman1]

I'd probably still be gaming on my 290 and then experimenting with an 8G model lol

 

[jabbadap]

Clearly, just like you are failing to understand how easy that was given what you wrote.
I'm English, we get satire ,but that didn't come through right to me.
But no drama here just one opinion so far.

Simply put, RX 5000 series does not support DX12 Ultimate and thus is obsolete, if some one buys graphics card for DX12 Ultimate features on mind.

For gaming with most APIs like DX12/DX11/Vulkan RX 5000 series is just fine and will continue to be fine. I doubt DX12 Ultimate will be minimum requirement in near future... Unless there is some lazy game developer that does not wan't to do light baking for PC port as RT lightning just works on console and is supported through dx12 ultimate api.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Simply put, RX 5000 series does not support DX12 Ultimate and thus is obsolete, if some one buys graphics card for DX12 Ultimate features on mind.

For gaming with most APIs like DX12/DX11/Vulkan RX 5000 series is just fine and will continue to be fine. I doubt DX12 Ultimate will be minimum requirement in near future... Unless there is some lazy game developer that does not wan't to do light baking for PC port as RT lightning just works on console and is supported through dx12 ultimate api.

Great , thanks for that? Whatever that is.

First bit they're obsolete then second paragraph you wind it right back and they are not, your considerably more confused than me son I assure you.


Simple facts for simple people.

Just bought doom eternal.

It doesn't support ulty though might in the future.

My Vega 64 plays all settings on the very highest settings upto 4k

My Rtx2060 won't go anywhere near those settings or anywhere near 4k.




It will be two years before there is a few games that will only work on ulty at best. . . . .


So that's not obsolete then is it, and Even the Op used that word as comedy for some reason.

 

[EarthDog]

Clearly, just like you are failing to understand how easy that was given what you wrote.
I'm English, we get satire ,but that didn't come through right to me.
But no drama here just one opinion so far.

The only one? I picked that up immediately. Surprised it had to be explained to you, a native English speaker, honestly.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The only one? I picked that up immediately. Surprised it had to be explained to you, a native English speaker, honestly.

Such is life, it didn't go over my head, but wasn't appreciated but then w1zzard assumed a lack of understanding as that was easier so to was going along.

I was trying to leave the debate as quite as possible but people like to debate eh.

 

[EarthDog]

Such is life, it didn't go over my head, but wasn't appreciated but then w1zzard assumed a lack of understanding as that was easier so to was going along.

I was trying to leave the debate as quite as possible but people like to debate eh.

Yeah, I'd slink on out at this point if I was you...

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Yeah, I'd slink on out at this point if I was you...

Play fair the guy above didn't get it clearly.

And of the many news post's this is the second I read in ten years I didn't appreciate.

This site put a slant on DX12 ulty no other site did.

 

[EarthDog]

Play fair the guy above didn't get it clearly.

And of the many news post's this is the second I read in ten years I didn't appreciate.

This site put a slant on DX12 ulty no other site did.

two people..apologies.

I dont see the slant at all, man. Really feels like you are barking up the wrong tree. Good luck.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

two people..apologies.

I dont see the slant at all, man. Really feels like you are barking up the wrong tree. Good luck.

There's more than two after re reading.

And I wasn't the first to feel like an agenda was in effect, even if there is not one.

I've tried Rtx adequately and I'm vastly underwhelmed , bit like physx initially, there's no where near enough Dev support to warrant ANY effort at this time to partake and it's a complete (Nvidia made) shitstorm as to what level of support you get in supported games.

Depending on what Rtx you have settings are limited to you(2060 gets no scaler slider for Rtx just on or off).

When you get a new tech , like 4k ,physx or hardware T&L.

Even if I can't play the game I would like to see it able to be maxed at 3fps if necessary, so I can see where we're headed with that tech.

With Rtx the only way to do similar is to pay three times an rtx2060s price for the 2080ti something I wouldn't recommend.
And anyone recommending an Rtx over anything because of Rtx is misleading information at this time IMHO, we're not at that moment and won't be for three years IMHO.
Which is why I didn't appreciate the obsolete banter in the Op.

 

[Vayra86]

New. Stickers. Hype.

Plenty of reasons.

Still remember the misplaced panicking of people with Maxwell cards when DX12 was announced. Oh noes feature levels are missing. If only we knew back then....

So let that be the lesson for this time... no stress guys. It comes when it comes and we are still in early adoption land. And will be for at least a few years post XSX and PS5 launch, too.

For clarity "

As it stands, the "Navi"-based Radeon RX 5000 series are "obsolete", just like some Turing cards from the GeForce GTX 16-series. At this time, the only shipping product which features the logo is NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 20-series and the TITAN RTX, as they support all the above features."

Does obsolete not imply Eol, certainly does in England.

Obsolete is rendered useless. EOL is end of sales...

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Still remember the misplaced panicking of people with Maxwell cards when DX12 was announced. Oh noes feature levels are missing. If only we knew back then....

So let that be the lesson for this time... no stress guys. It comes when it comes and we are still in early adoption land. And will be for at least a few years post XSX and PS5 launch, too.



Obsolete is rendered useless. EOL is end of sales...

Obsolete ,useless , end of life what's the difference they all mean buy new now then don't they, and it's incorrect as I'll demonstrate by using my vega64 for at least another six months to a year .

 

[Vayra86]

Obsolete ,useless , end of life what's the difference they all mean buy new now then don't they, and it's incorrect as I'll demonstrate by using my vega64 for at least another six months to a year .

No not really. The 1080 for example was EOL'd/replaced by 1070ti but the cards are still not obsolete and if they are, they both will be.

What means buy new, really?! Its just your own perspective and or upgrade itch saying that. The new cards on offer are just teasing you to get itchy. The rest is in your head.

It comes down to timing your gpu purchases right, in the end, and a big part of that is not riding the tech hype but lagging behind it for a liittld while and then make an informed choice. Its been proven time and time again... no need to rush, tech adoption is slow and bumpy and its all about the content anyway. Usually its the content that triggers a gpu upgrade and then you just look at whats on offer.

 

[efikkan]

Still remember the misplaced panicking of people with Maxwell cards when DX12 was announced. Oh noes feature levels are missing. If only we knew back then....

So let that be the lesson for this time... no stress guys. It comes when it comes and we are still in early adoption land. And will be for at least a few years post XSX and PS5 launch, too.

So true, and is what I was touching upon in my post #21.
In the last two decades or so, the first thing to make anything obsolete has always* been performance, and then in some cases dropped driver support. I don't see this changing anytime soon.
Never upgrade in case you need a card, upgrade when you need it.

*) I'm sure there is an edge case here and there, but that's beside the point.