Fsb overclock causing Nvidia drivers to fail?

[deyx]

Hello. So, a friend got an Phenom II X4 945 and we wanted to overclock it (its a locked cpu) But while overclocking the fsb, cpu load fine into Windows 10, passes benchmarks and all good, but in device manager, graphics card is showing Error 43. Games wont load or anything.
FSB was to 220mhz (cpu x15 multiplier, 3.3ghz) and PCI-e freq was to "100". Neither in auto works.
Any idea?
Specs are:
Phenom II X4 945
Gigabyte GA-M55S-S3
6 gb ddr2 800mhz
Gtx960 2gb.

Thx for the help and sorry for my english!

 

[Regeneration]

When overclocking via bus clock, you may need to adjust multipliers of DDR / Northbridge / HyperTransport.

 

[eidairaman1]

This gpu, was it bought used?

Set it back to 200x15 (3.0GHz) and whatever the automatic vcore states, and pcie set back to auto.

Download display driver uninstaller.

Download the latest chipset driver for that motherboard, do not install them.

Download the Last Known Driver for the 960 gpu.

Disconnect ethernet or wifi.

Remove all nvidia gpu drivers using the program Display Driver uninstaller, run it twice in windows and once in safe mode with the switch gpu driver option. After ddu in safe mode, shut the system off totally, pull the power cord to the system. Pull the gpu out of the case and use a Carbon Dioxide duster or electronic grade contact cleaner to clean the pcie slot out.

Look at the pcie edge pins and clean them with contact cleaner or isopropyl alcohol.

Get a picture of the pcie edge pins on front and back of card, post it here. Put card back in the case.

Make sure all 6/8pin pcie power connectors are fully plugged into the card (if there are any).

Also get GPU-Z and get a screenshot, post it here please. In GPU-Z click the arrow next to the uefi checkbox and attempt to upload the bios to the VGA Bios Collection through the program. You should be prompted that the bios is already in the database with a link, copy and paste that link here.

Install the morherboard chipset driver, restart system, install gpu driver, restart system, if you still have error 43, try another gpu. Error 43 typically means a hardware fault with the gpu.

@Bones @Mr.Scott @ShrimpBrime is there anything I may have missed?

Hello. So, a friend got an Phenom II X4 945 and we wanted to overclock it (its a locked cpu) But while overclocking the fsb, cpu load fine into Windows 10, passes benchmarks and all good, but in device manager, graphics card is showing Error 43. Games wont load or anything.
FSB was to 220mhz (cpu x15 multiplier, 3.3ghz) and PCI-e freq was to "100". Neither in auto works.
Any idea?
Specs are:
Phenom II X4 945
Gigabyte GA-M55S-S3
6 gb ddr2 800mhz
Gtx960 2gb.

Thx for the help and sorry for my english!

@ErDiegoPv

I guess this one disappeared too...

 

[Bones]

Could be the board is a dud.
I'm not really finding anything that suggests it can clock up very well, max FSB record for it at the bot was only 260. If the OP wants to go higher, hate to say it but I strongly suggest they stop pushing it before they corrupt the OS.
It's also possible to bork the BIOS too if one isn't careful.

For specs this is what's shown for it: GA-M55S-S3 (rev. 1.1) | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

EDIT:
One thing is certain, there is definite instability going on since it's crashing the driver(s), throwing a code 43 meaning it isn't fully stable as ran.

 

[eidairaman1]

Could be the board is a dud.
I'm not really finding anything that suggests it can clock up very well, max FSB record for it at the bot was only 260. If the OP wants to go higher, hate to say it but I strongly suggest they stop pushing it before they corrupt the OS.
It's also possible to bork the BIOS too if one isn't careful.

For specs this is what's shown for it: GA-M55S-S3 (rev. 1.1) | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Are you saying the gpu is bad?

 

[Bones]

Are you saying the gpu is bad?

No, what I'm saying is the board itself could be a dud.
Probrably isn't a FSB-friendly board in the first place.

 

[eidairaman1]

No, what I'm saying is the board itself could be a dud.
Probrably isn't a FSB-friendly board in the first place.

That's why i said go to stock, but ive seen a number of nv gpus have the error 43 problem and it was the gpu.

 

[Bones]

I've never known AM2 boards to really like going up very much on the bus.
I'd have to guess here that probrably caused instability within the PCI-E bus itself and made the driver crash right out.

 

[eidairaman1]

I've never known AM2 boards to really like going up very much on the bus.
I'd have to guess here that probrably caused instability within the PCI-E bus itself and made the driver crash right out.

Lets see if this op comes back tomorrow...

 

[deyx]

This gpu, was it bought used?

Set it back to 200x15 (3.0GHz) and whatever the automatic vcore states, and pcie set back to auto.

Download display driver uninstaller.

Download the latest chipset driver for that motherboard, do not install them.

Download the Last Known Driver for the 960 gpu.

Disconnect ethernet or wifi.

Remove all nvidia gpu drivers using the program Display Driver uninstaller, run it twice in windows and once in safe mode with the switch gpu driver option. After ddu in safe mode, shut the system off totally, pull the power cord to the system. Pull the gpu out of the case and use a Carbon Dioxide duster or electronic grade contact cleaner to clean the pcie slot out.

Look at the pcie edge pins and clean them with contact cleaner or isopropyl alcohol.

Get a picture of the pcie edge pins on front and back of card, post it here. Put card back in the case.

Make sure all 6/8pin pcie power connectors are fully plugged into the card (if there are any).

Also get GPU-Z and get a screenshot, post it here please. In GPU-Z click the arrow next to the uefi checkbox and attempt to upload the bios to the VGA Bios Collection through the program. You should be prompted that the bios is already in the database with a link, copy and paste that link here.

Install the morherboard chipset driver, restart system, install gpu driver, restart system, if you still have error 43, try another gpu. Error 43 typically means a hardware fault with the gpu.

@Bones @Mr.Scott @ShrimpBrime is there anything I may have missed?



@ErDiegoPv

I guess this one disappeared too...

DDU method didn't work none of the times that we tryed it, latest driver was instaled.
All pins are good and working with the fsb in stock. Graphics card play games without problem,only failed when touching the fsb
Bios version is: "84.06.14.00.EB" Its an asus card bought in Aliexpress second hand.
Instaled bios: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/212792/212792
We are going to try and flash the card with another bios, i will keep you guys updated.
Thx a lot for your time and your responses guys!

 

[Assimilator]

Stupid question, is board on latest BIOS?

 

[eidairaman1]

DDU method didn't work none of the times that we tryed it, latest driver was instaled.
All pins are good and working with the fsb in stock. Graphics card play games without problem,only failed when touching the fsb
Bios version is: "84.06.14.00.EB" Its an asus card bought in Aliexpress second hand.
Instaled bios: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/212792/212792
We are going to try and flash the card with another bios, i will keep you guys updated.
Thx a lot for your time and your responses guys!

Stop! Bios flashing the gpu won't fix anything, if the card is working with the CPU at stock FSB, the motherboard can't handle overclocks.

 

[deyx]

Yes, the bios is in the latest version.

Stop! Bios flashing the gpu won't fix anything, if the card is working with the CPU at stock FSB, the motherboard can't handle overclocks.

Gotcha, one more question.
With a 9500Gt, even with the fsb overclock, worked fine, why is its that whith the old graphics card worked, but with the 960 doesn't?
Im fairly new in this "Old school" fsb overclocking so...
Thx for the help again!

 

[eidairaman1]

Yes, the bios is in the latest version.

Gotcha, one more question.
With a 9500Gt, even with the fsb overclock, worked fine, why is its that whith the old graphics card worked, but with the 960 doesn't?
Im fairly new in this "Old school" fsb overclocking so...
Thx for the help again!

Some boards just cant handle it.

Leave it stock and replace in time with complete upgrade to Ryzen.

 

[Aquinus]

With a 9500Gt, even with the fsb overclock, worked fine, why is its that whith the old graphics card worked, but with the 960 doesn't?

It probably didn't put enough stress on the CPU to cause the issue to occur. It might just happen to be the case that the GPU driver becomes unstable, but it's probably because the CPU is unstable with your overclock. Whether that's the NB clock (impacts memory speed and L3 cache speeds,) or the HTT clock (impacts chipset speeds) is anyone's guess. As far as you know, it's your memory that's unstable from running a higher NB clock when you increase the FSB. Honestly, unless you're trying to squeeze memory bandwidth out of that CPU, you're better off overclocking with the multiplier alone. That way you can rule out unstable memory, chipset, L3 cache, or PCIe due to overclocking the base clock.

 

[eidairaman1]

It probably didn't put enough stress on the CPU to cause the issue to occur. It might just happen to be the case that the GPU driver becomes unstable, but it's probably because the CPU is unstable with your overclock. Whether that's the NB clock (impacts memory speed and L3 cache speeds,) or the HTT clock (impacts chipset speeds) is anyone's guess. As far as you know, it's your memory that's unstable from running a higher NB clock when you increase the FSB. Honestly, unless you're trying to squeeze memory bandwidth out of that CPU, you're better off overclocking with the multiplier alone. That way you can rule out unstable memory, chipset, L3 cache, or PCIe due to overclocking the base clock.

Non Black edition chips are multiplier locked unfortunately.

To me his problem is resolved by returning to stock.

 

[deyx]

Non Black edition chips are multiplier locked unfortunately.

To me his problem is resolved by returning to stock.

Yeah, the plan was to squeeze every fps out of it till the Ryzen upgrade when all this quarantine thing ends.
guess we'll leave it stock.
Thx for the replies and time.

 

[Aquinus]

Non Black edition chips are multiplier locked unfortunately.

Well, if the OP really wants to try again, dropping the memory to 667Mhz and dropping the HTT clock a notch would probably help because both of those will get overclocked when you increase the base clock. I've had 3 Phenom II chips and they all overclocked the NB pretty well. I gave away the 940 BE and the 955 BE, but I still have the 960T. Honestly, that was the best of the bunch even if it doesn't unlock to 6 cores.

 

[eidairaman1]

Well, if the OP really wants to try again, dropping the memory to 667Mhz and dropping the HTT clock a notch would probably help because both of those will get overclocked when you increase the base clock. I've had 3 Phenom II chips and they all overclocked the NB pretty well. I gave away the 940 BE and the 955 BE, but I still have the 960T. Honestly, that was the best of the bunch even if it doesn't unlock to 6 cores.

Considering he is error43 on the gpu when the "fsb" is touched indicates it doesn't like it, stock is working, if he wants to revisit he can get a AsRock 990FX Extreme 4 or Sabertooth 990FX (1-3.0)

 

[Regeneration]

Overclocked NB/HTT above the limits results in failed components (VGA, ethernet, etc).

OP is probably just overclocking the wrong way. Raising FSB without reducing multipliers.

Should read guides first:

3 Step Guide to Overclock Your AMD Phenom - Overclockers

This guide will teach you how to properly overclock your AMD Phenom II, and squeeze out every last drop that the CPU has to offer.

www.overclockers.com

Dolk's Guide to the Phenom II

Updated: Small updates have been made on the original Phenom II overlocking section to reflect other updates, including the now gone 4.0ghz Section, and the new revised Heat Wall section. The Heat Wall has been updated and revised. I really didn't like what I had before hand. Thuban Section...

www.overclockers.com

 

[deyx]

Overclocked NB/HTT above the limits results in failed components (VGA, ethernet, etc).

OP is probably just overclocking the wrong way. Raising FSB without reducing multipliers.

Should read guides first:

3 Step Guide to Overclock Your AMD Phenom - Overclockers

This guide will teach you how to properly overclock your AMD Phenom II, and squeeze out every last drop that the CPU has to offer.

www.overclockers.com

Dolk's Guide to the Phenom II

Updated: Small updates have been made on the original Phenom II overlocking section to reflect other updates, including the now gone 4.0ghz Section, and the new revised Heat Wall section. The Heat Wall has been updated and revised. I really didn't like what I had before hand. Thuban Section...

www.overclockers.com

Nope, i already read guides and all that, gonna post a image of the bios options here later.
I think that the board is way too basic to overclock propperly.

 

[Regeneration]

Nope, i already read guides and all that, gonna post a image of the bios options here later.
I think that the board is way too basic to overclock propperly.

Gigabyte have hidden overclocking features in the BIOS. Try to press CTRL+F1 or some other key combo.

 

[deyx]

This are screenshots from the Bios, they are from the manual but updates didnt change them (or the options) so they are the same.

 

[Regeneration]

Try to press CTRL+F1 or ALT+F1 in the sub-menus.

 

[deyx]

Okay, i'll post a reply tomorrow, its late here in spain so...

Try to press CTRL+F1 or ALT+F1 in the sub-menus.

So... Nope, nothing, f1 opens general help, but ctrl or alt +f1 does nothing aside opening f1.
Anyway, Thx for the help. We'll leave it stock because this motherboard is way too basic.
Thx to everybody for the help and the warm welcome to the forum.