Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[robot zombie]

I'm going to start issuing thread bans if you feel it's necessary to delve into which country lies the most. This thread is for discussion on available statistics and the spread (and related impacts). I've LQ'd posts criticising US and China govt. Equally.

Honest truth, here. I don't envy your job at all with this one. I mean that respectfully. I get it, even if I am as bad as the rest sometimes.

If there's anything I've learned from pretty much every conversation revolving around COVID-19, everywhere, it's that the politics are inseparable from the topic. It's such a big issue... involving every major government, no less. How does one discuss the impact and the implications, or think about the data and reports without getting into those things? One thing is pretty much guaranteed to lead to another with that. It is a major component to this big thing that is affecting everyone. It's on everybody's minds. Trying to keep a discussion like this constrained to just a few aspects seems like an insurmountable task. I'm betting it either has to be ONLY people posting data and not discussing it at all or nothing. Certain things are just bound to come up. I have no idea which way is right with that. No options that come to mind seem ideal. I think it should be avoided when possible, but I'm also not sure it can be. I AM sure that I can't, for better or worse... I don't really know.

It's too bad that people can't avoid continually going there. I am guilty as charged, too. I'm thinking about just cashing-out at this point. Not in protest, but because I actually can't not get sucked-in at some point and I don't want to cause problems or have things turn sour. I don't trust myself that well It really is not easy for me to not start piecing all sorts of different things together when it comes to something this big, and I'm thinking I'm not alone there. I apologize for my role in making things harder and probably encouraging the wrong conversations.

 

[the54thvoid]

Honest truth, here. I don't envy your job at all with this one. I mean that respectfully. I get it, even if I am as bad as the rest sometimes.

If there's anything I've learned from pretty much every conversation revolving around COVID-19, everywhere, it's that the politics are inseparable from the topic. It's such a big issue... involving every major government, no less. How does one discuss the impact and the implications, or think about the data and reports without getting into those things? One thing is pretty much guaranteed to lead to another with that. It is a major component to this big thing that is affecting everyone. It's on everybody's minds. Trying to keep a discussion like this constrained to just a few aspects seems like an insurmountable task. I'm betting it either has to be ONLY people posting data and not discussing it at all or nothing. Certain things are just bound to come up. I have no idea which way is right with that. No options that come to mind seem ideal. I think it should be avoided when possible, but I'm also not sure it can be. I AM sure that I can't, for better or worse... I don't really know.

It's too bad that people can't avoid continually going there. I am guilty as charged, too. I'm thinking about just cashing-out at this point. Not in protest, but because I actually can't not get sucked-in at some point and I don't want to cause problems or have things turn sour. I don't trust myself that well It really is not easy for me to not start piecing all sorts of different things together when it comes to something this big, and I'm thinking I'm not alone there. I apologize for my role in making things harder and probably encouraging the wrong conversations.

It's a challenge for any individual to remove personal bias, or geo-political bias from discussion. But, it's possible. We discuss how many ventilators we have; we don't need to point a finger at govt. Frankly, as has been mentioned, the number required now was never imagined. So, that's not govt. fault. We discuss how it spreads, where it spreads to, how it's affecting you. None of that requires finger pointing.

We know it came from China. We know the animal trade is responsible. We know these things. But the thread is about the spread, and the numbers involved; these can be discussed, without a neutered conversation. It's like swearing. We moderate for others.

 

[repman244]

Since the debate also mentioned Russia but it all went political, I'll just provide numbers:
1534 of confirmed cases, more than 1000 of those are from Moscow alone - the numbers are starting to go up (270 new cases in a day). And they are testing, total tests performed is around 200 000.

The remoteness of other regions helps and people generally don't travel that much, also Russia shut down it's borders with China from January which probably did help?
Hopefully the actions didn't come late for Moscow, another thing that can help is that the state is not afraid to use more drastic measures (like China) to contain the spreading.

 

[HTC]

Portugal's numbers have been updated:

- 5962 confirmed infected
- 119 fatalities
- 43 recovered - no change, since 3 days ago ???
- 5508 waiting for test results

Smaller increases than yesterday but a very large number of those waiting for results can change that very quickly.

We had a 14 year old boy die from this virus his morning: just a reminder that it ain't just old people that "get it".

Several retirement homes have been hit hard by this virus: between residents and employees, a significant number of people infected were discovered. In a single retirement home, 47 of 62 residents and 18 of 30 employees were infected

 

[Vayra86]

Honest truth, here. I don't envy your job at all with this one. I mean that respectfully. I get it, even if I am as bad as the rest sometimes.

If there's anything I've learned from pretty much every conversation revolving around COVID-19, everywhere, it's that the politics are inseparable from the topic. It's such a big issue... involving every major government, no less. How does one discuss the impact and the implications, or think about the data and reports without getting into those things? One thing is pretty much guaranteed to lead to another with that. It is a major component to this big thing that is affecting everyone. It's on everybody's minds. Trying to keep a discussion like this constrained to just a few aspects seems like an insurmountable task. I'm betting it either has to be ONLY people posting data and not discussing it at all or nothing. Certain things are just bound to come up. I have no idea which way is right with that. No options that come to mind seem ideal. I think it should be avoided when possible, but I'm also not sure it can be. I AM sure that I can't, for better or worse... I don't really know.

It's too bad that people can't avoid continually going there. I am guilty as charged, too. I'm thinking about just cashing-out at this point. Not in protest, but because I actually can't not get sucked-in at some point and I don't want to cause problems or have things turn sour. I don't trust myself that well It really is not easy for me to not start piecing all sorts of different things together when it comes to something this big, and I'm thinking I'm not alone there. I apologize for my role in making things harder and probably encouraging the wrong conversations.

First of all I have to applaud @the54thvoid for this moderation in this topic, his lenience and at the same time keeping things on track. I've crossed the line too a couple of times, and tread it more often. But like you say, that's part of this game. I think the most interesting part of this virus and the political aspect of it, is how it actually challenges the trend of fake news and government lies constantly. What we're seeing is that struggle. We're seeing facts win the day, every single time, forcing politics to catch up to reality. It underlines people aren't blind or stupid at all, and they will speak out against governments that aren't protecting them properly. Brazil is a great example right now, I read today that the districts are scrambling to provide aid and locally, lockdowns are initiated and the populace is ready to comply. Meanwhile, Bolsonaro is spouting nonsense about getting the economy going asap and in complete denial. All it takes... is time.

Another nice fact I picked up... In Mexico and its slums, drug gangs have taken to enforcing lockdowns locally where the government fails to do so (!!)

Yeah I know the stats thats why I am saying that is still unusualy low rate of infected/casualties

Japan got wind of this quite early and took measures, that's likely it. They also are an island, so they can control traffic far more easily. It is also a highly organized society.

 

[HTC]

First of all I have to applaud @the54thvoid for this moderation in this topic, his lenience and at the same time keeping things on track. I've crossed the line too a couple of times, and tread it more often. But like you say, that's part of this game. I think the most interesting part of this virus and the political aspect of it, is how it actually challenges the trend of fake news and government lies constantly. What we're seeing is that struggle. We're seeing facts win the day, every single time, forcing politics to catch up to reality. It underlines people aren't blind or stupid at all, and they will speak out against governments that aren't protecting them properly. Brazil is a great example right now, I read today that the districts are scrambling to provide aid and locally, lockdowns are initiated and the populace is ready to comply. Meanwhile, Bolsonaro is spouting nonsense about getting the economy going asap and in complete denial. All it takes... is time.

Another nice fact I picked up... In Mexico and its slums, drug gangs have taken to enforcing lockdowns locally where the government fails to do so (!!)



Japan got wind of this quite early and took measures, that's likely it. They also are an island, so they can control traffic far more easily.

Agreed.

Really????

 

[Vayra86]

Agreed.

Really????

Correction, that was Brazil too

Brazil gangs impose strict curfews to slow coronavirus spread

Drug traffickers in Cidade de Deus and other Rio favelas order residents to stay home as fears grow over impact of virus on poorest Brazilians

www.theguardian.com

 

[TheLostSwede]

A lot of creative solutions are being developed on how to handle the respirator shortage. This one made me laugh though, as it sounds silly, but apparently works.

Hospitals turn to snorkel masks to ease respirator overload

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Japan got wind of this quite early and took measures, that's likely it. They also are an island, so they can control traffic far more easily. It is also a highly organized society.

All good points....still considering their population age and lack of space in the big cities I have to wonder is it also something else involved.......

 

[R0H1T]

Do we know how many tests they've done? For instance New York is saying they've conducted more tests per 1000 than any other place in the world. It simply could be a function of not enough testing, I'll also add though that much like SK they have an excellent healthcare system or arguably even better.

 

[freeagent]

I've been watching CNN, what a complete fucking shit show. If we make it out of this, you guys need to fire everyone in power and start fresh.

 

[Vayra86]

All good points....still considering their population age and lack of space in the big cities I have to wonder is it also something else involved.......

That is what you allude to now for the second time without mentioning what it is you're wondering about exactly.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Do we know how many tests they've done? For instance New York is saying they've conducted more tests per 1000 than any other place in the world. It simply could be a function of not enough testing, I'll also add though that much like SK they have an excellent healthcare system or arguably even better.

Well yeah sure the thing is that they probably have many more infected but the point is that they do not have overcrowded hospitals with those critical patients like Italy,Spain and now USA also....

That is what you allude to now for the second time without mentioning what it is you're wondering about exactly.

I don't know if I could take a wild guess maybe their immune system is overall better then people on the west?They live healthier life they are not obese and so on....same things goes for Koreans and probably Chinese....

 

[EarthDog]

I've been watching CNN, what a complete fucking shit show. If we make it out of this, you guys need to fire everyone in power and start fresh.

You should watch foxnews too. See the lulz from the other side. Once you see both lulz, you can find the truth in between. It lay somewhere between zomg we're doing a great job to zomg wtf?

 

[freeagent]

I will check it out for sure, normally we don't get that channel, but we do now..

 

[moproblems99]

It underlines people aren't blind or stupid at all,

I think you are stretching the bounds of reality here. Unfortunately, in a situation like this the smart can't cover for the stupid so the acts of the stupid are magnified. In a sense, you are at the mercy of Joe and Nancy next door.

 

[dirtyferret]

So yesterday we decided to take a drive into the city as everyone had been inside the house for a week. I was in times square in 45 minutes (we just drove around never got out of the car) when on a lazy Sunday morning it should take me almost twice as long. I've never seen NYC as empty of life including the days after 9-11.

 

[R0H1T]

Death is a great equalizer & unarguably the greatest unifier. Among every living being there's probably no emotion quite like "Fear" though it's too bad it always takes us a (major) tragedy or two to mend our ways. In some ways I doubt this will change much of the trajectory we've been on over the past century or so, the excesses built up by human society in this day is & age is too much even for nature. Perhaps this is one of its ways of fighting back? The day nature is unable to do that we'll have well & truly destroyed the earth beyond repair but that's likely a millennia away!

 

[Xzibit]

This weeks sensationalized news piece here to stir stuff up was military deploying for patrols. Even had local news helicopters doing live follow of the transport train.

What it really was, Naval base transporting armored vehicles between bases for repairs.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This weeks sensationalized news piece here to stir stuff up was military deploying for patrols. Even had local news helicopters doing live follow of the transport train.

What it really was, Naval base transporting armored vehicles between bases for repairs.

That kind of comment belongs in the other thread.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/covid-19-a-global-issue.264565/

Please copy it there and delete it here. Thank you.

The censorship in this thread is getting ridiculous. Perhaps TPU needs to put a different moderator on it.

Or perhaps users need to use better judgment making comments that stay on or near topic...

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I think the economic downturn is so acute, and the underlying cause is not a fundamental flaw/loss of trust in the system, that the recovery should be great, given there is a remedy.

If there is no remedy for another 6-12 months and the businesses that are suffering (sports, restaurants, hotels, airlines, cruiseships, etc)... have no path to recovery then yeah. We are super F&Yed.

Basically if we don't have this sorted by July (along some sane recovery plan), the fan will be thoroughly revolving in unpleasant matter.

The only option until then is quarantine. Vaccines are late 2021 at the earliest.


This interactive graphic shows what states acted when (up to March 23). New York was way late to react which contributed to NYC being the first epicenter:

State by state, COVID-19 grinds U.S. to a halt

The patchwork of statewide social-distancing measures that disrupted businesses, schools and daily life

graphics.reuters.com

This is also using March 23 data:

A deluge of death in northern Italy

On average, every 3.5 minutes, someone infected with coronavirus is dying in the Italian region of Lombardy. This is how the region became the single deadliest coronavirus hotspot on the planet.

graphics.reuters.com

March 21st, L’Eco di Bergamo newspaper had 12 pages of obituaries.

 

[Vayra86]

I think you are stretching the bounds of reality here. Unfortunately, in a situation like this the smart can't cover for the stupid so the acts of the stupid are magnified. In a sense, you are at the mercy of Joe and Nancy next door.

Peer- and social pressure are powerful instruments though. Joe and Nancy might need YOU next time... What you see now, or what i see, at least, over here, is that our weaknesses make us a bit more humble and people definitely want to do their part. Its also a struggle because there is no social etiquette for this situation.

An example, I was out to the supermarket today. In the Netherlands we have a limited lockdown, meaning; shops that are open have taken measures. I get a shopping cart handed to me when I go in, and can't go in without one; the cart is cleaned when I bring it back; no more than 10 visitors per 100sq/m. Never had more relaxed shopping in my life But anyway... when you meet people and have to cross them (and keep your 1,5m distance) you exchange looks and you can just feel the discomfort. Everyone is struggling. Do I move aside? Do I wait until the other person is done over there? Do I pass? It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so real...

The censorship in this thread is getting ridiculous. Perhaps TPU needs to put a different moderator on it. Getting a post deleted about China lying about its numbers is directly related to the topic.

Strongly disagree. China's numbers are just the numbers they give, much like the numbers every other country gives. The reality is, none of them are real, in the sense of giving us the full picture.

All good points....still considering their population age and lack of space in the big cities I have to wonder is it also something else involved.......

Tough one to crack, but in a general sense, unless the infection rate would be vastly below 3 as it is elsewhere, there is no real reason to believe that a better immune system makes a difference towards the total infected count; but early and effective lockdown measures do. And with a low infected count also comes a low death count because if you can get proper help and ICU is available, the risk is quite low.

We wondered in this topic why Germany was so low on the count as well... I read today they have a whoppin' 28000 ICU beds. Ready. All the time. 25000 of them have the required respiratory gear too. They also are a society that listens to the rules of government very strictly, and did enforce a lockdown. Perhaps not too timely, but effective enough to keep things contained. In the Netherlands, we are now at ICU capacity of 1000... trying to scale up to 1600 - 2000... go figure. And we're full, so some patients have already been moved to Germany, too.

 

[repman244]

We wondered in this topic why Germany was so low on the count as well... I read today they have a whoppin' 28000 ICU beds. Ready. All the time. 25000 of them have the required respiratory gear too. They also are a society that listens to the rules of government very strictly, and did enforce a lockdown. Perhaps not too timely, but effective enough to keep things contained. In the Netherlands, we are now at ICU capacity of 1000... trying to scale up to 1600 - 2000... go figure. And we're full, so some patients have already been moved to Germany, too.

I cannot find the exact number or a link to the article I saw a couple of days ago, but they compared Germany to Italy (the difference in death rate). The standout was the average age of the infected.
In Germany it was around 47 and in Italy it was something around 65.
But yes they have huge capacity and are even taking in patients from Italy (they took around 45 patients from Italy this week) which is very nice to see.

 

[the54thvoid]

The censorship in this thread is getting ridiculous. Perhaps TPU needs to put a different moderator on it. Getting a post deleted about China lying about its numbers is directly related to the topic.

You can complain to the super-mods if you don't like what I'm trying to do. I'm on probation, if I'm doing a bad job it's only fair that I'm judged and removed, if that was found to be the case. However, LQ'ing posts isn't censorship. LQ posts are still visible, what they allow is for other members to read the pertinent info. There are certain forum members that wish to continually harp on about China. The posts have been made, that's why I'm LQ'ing (or deleting) subsequent ones - they add nothing new to the conversation. There's a Covid-19 thread in the lounge, where more leniency is given to trash talk. I'm not the mod there, so feel free to walk on over.

Edit: I wanted this to be a public message so that people can understand, clearly, that LQ isn't censorship.
Edit 2: Yes, I deleted some posts - but really - they had nothing to offer.

 

[moproblems99]

Peer- and social pressure are powerful instruments though. Joe and Nancy might need YOU next time... What you see now, or what i see, at least, over here, is that our weaknesses make us a bit more humble and people definitely want to do their part. Its also a struggle because there is no social etiquette for this situation.

An example, I was out to the supermarket today. In the Netherlands we have a limited lockdown, meaning; shops that are open have taken measures. I get a shopping cart handed to me when I go in, and can't go in without one; the cart is cleaned when I bring it back; no more than 10 visitors per 100sq/m. Never had more relaxed shopping in my life But anyway... when you meet people and have to cross them (and keep your 1,5m distance) you exchange looks and you can just feel the discomfort. Everyone is struggling. Do I move aside? Do I wait until the other person is done over there? Do I pass? It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so real...

Yes, peer pressure can do wonders but we have a very divided populace here. To me, it seems more divided than just about any time in history. You have a somewhat appearance of national unity. As divided as we are, it does not bode well to slow this. I am not usually gloom and doom but I feel this division will greatly exacerbate this problem.

When some news anchors wish for a recession to remove the president and that gets broadcast to half the population, how do you reconcile that to come together?

When half of the population lives and breaths removal of the president (even if he is an asshat) while the other half bows like a diety, how do expect them to come together (6ft apart anyway)?

Sadly, National unity is what must happen to truly slow this. And we are too bitterly divided.

To the mods: I did my best to not be too political but I feel calling out our political divide and putting it to rest for a few months is important to us. I understand if it gets LQ'd or removed. No hard feelings.