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[ValenOne]

Then again, don't even need more than 2.8ghz to make AMD look like a joke in the AVX side of things
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Real workstation workloads. X299 is not HPC motherboard. LOL

Says the child who doesn't understand what AVX-512 is.

You're the real child who actually has multiple game consoles. You're a hypocrite.

Says the child who doesn't understand what AVX-512 is.

Says by GTX 1080 ti owner when my RTX 2080 Ti rapes your fake HPC. On HPC workloads, Turing TU102 is better your fake HPC..

 

[Black Haru]

Hmm...

There's some weirdness with the 'stage' count.

In the writing and VRM close up you speak of 16 stages or 8 phases, but the Asus spec at the front talks about the CPU having 18 stages(I refuse to endorse their chosen 'phrasing').

Also I would really appreciate it being pointed out right away, not the free pass until the vcore section.

Beyond that...

It's a great review, disappointing that the external module needs two micro-usb to connect. That VRM sink looks capable and covered in nice fins, but they killed the performance with that covering... Form killing function right there.

Oh, could it be possible to measure temps from the backside of the PCB under the VRM?

Nice review despite my VRM snobbery... LoL

The two missing stages are the SOC vrm, they are under the CPU. I wanted to get close enough for some detail, and had to crop them out of the overview shot.

If you look at the close up of the SOC stages you can see the latch for the top PCIe slot in the bottom left.

As for putting a probe on the back of the board, I can do that, but I would have to pull it from another location. My reader only has 4 inputs (2 vrm, one chipset, one ambient currently)

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Real workstation workloads. X299 is not HPC motherboard. LOL

Sounds like you're a salty AMD user.
X299 is not HPC? Care to explain intel's implementation of DL Boost on 10th gen Cascade Lake-X? https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www...e-family/deep-learning-boost-sales-guide.html
After all AI is considered HPC, would you like me to help you learn how to use google.com? It's not that difficult nor hard.
There's plenty of benchmarks where that 3970X loses to an 18C part so keeping riding that "MOAR COAR" methodology.

Says by GTX 1080 ti owner when my RTX 2080 Ti rapes your fake HPC. On HPC workloads, Turing TU102 is better your fake HPC..

"rapes" really? What is this a silly little contest or something? Quadros are real cards for HPC, your 2080ti is meaningless, and I'm sure my 7980XE thrashes both of your setups combined in any CPU workload

Also, as for the child remarks, care to explain yourself as to why you're comparing consoles using AVX256 when we're talking about HPC benchmarks? Sounds like someone is riding the console boat too hard, maybe you should drop those jokes of a setup and move to a console, you'll be better off.

 

[Caring1]

Children please, save the pissing contest for outside.

 

[Ravenmaster]

That is a gorgeous looking motherboard and well made but... X299 has been out for over 3 years now. It will soon be replaced. Better to wait for Tiger Lake which will most likely support PCI-E 4.0 and possibly DDR5 memory.

 

[budokaZ3R0]

Intel VROC dongle is not free.

Out of the box, if you have Intel M.2 drives, an Asus Hyper M.2, and a Skylake-X, you can build a RAID 0 partition. But if you want to enable RAID 1, RAID 5, or other RAID schemes with redundancy to protect your data, you have to buy this Intel VROC key to enable it.

Use Intel RST instead of Intel VROC for RAID 0 and other RAID configs.

I played with RST a little, and it is not the same thing as VROC by a long shot. RST can be nice to create hybrid volumes between M.2 and SATA 6 drives for a hot cold scenario, but VROC is hardware RAID at 8Gb/s or better

 

[LFaWolf]

There are 2 boards that I am currently considering until I saw this review. This one costs the same as the ASUS ROG Rampage VI Extreme Encore. Anyone help me to decide?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZK7JTLL/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_3?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZYNWBY3/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

 

[ValenOne]

Sounds like you're a salty AMD user.
X299 is not HPC? Care to explain intel's implementation of DL Boost on 10th gen Cascade Lake-X? https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www...e-family/deep-learning-boost-sales-guide.html
After all AI is considered HPC, would you like me to help you learn how to use google.com? It's not that difficult nor hard.
There's plenty of benchmarks where that 3970X loses to an 18C part so keeping riding that "MOAR COAR" methodology.
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"rapes" really? What is this a silly little contest or something? Quadros are real cards for HPC, your 2080ti is meaningless, and I'm sure my 7980XE thrashes both of your setups combined in any CPU workload

Also, as for the child remarks, care to explain yourself as to why you're comparing consoles using AVX256 when we're talking about HPC benchmarks? Sounds like someone is riding the console boat too hard, maybe you should drop those jokes of a setup and move to a console, you'll be better off.

You started your silly contest child. hypocrite.

X299 lacks ECC support for proper mission-critical HPC workloads. Gigabyte and ASUS X570 has support for ECC memory.

X299 classed as HEDT = Highend Desktop.

Intel's Xeon Cascade Lake vs. NVIDIA Turing: An Analysis in AI

www.anandtech.com

Reminder, I already have ASUS ROG Strix X299-E platform (under warranty to late 2021), hence I can upgrade to any Cascade Lake-X at any time, and I prefer to upgrade the GPU for GpGPU HPC workloads instead child.

In this website's benchmark mix, your arguments are irrelevant.

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In this article, we'll review the all-new 18-core Core i9 10980XE from Intel. Despite many announcements, this is the most versatile (in cores) HEDT processor for the consumer market from intel, th... Performance - Content Creation

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Content creation: FryRender

For Blender 3D raytracing workloads, I prefer raytracing acceleration from RTX 2080 Ti.

I'm still building AM4 X570 PCI-E 4.0 based gaming PC with PCI-E 4.0 Ampere RTX. Unlike you, I don't game on game consoles.

My Intel Core i9-9900K + RTX 2080 Ti is a gaming PC benchmarking standard like TPU's setup.

Try again kiddo.

I played with RST a little, and it is not the same thing as VROC by a long shot. RST can be nice to create hybrid volumes between M.2 and SATA 6 drives for a hot cold scenario, but VROC is hardware RAID at 8Gb/s or better

FYI, Intel VROC is a hybrid RAID solution. Refer to https://www.intel.com.au/content/www/au/en/support/articles/000024550/memory-and-storage.html

My comments are based on https://www.intel.com/content/dam/support/us/en/documents/memory-and-storage/HEDT_RAID_HC_337897.pdf

 

[gamefoo21]

I just want to say that the reason X570 has ECC support is strictly because Zen+ supports it. The Zen 2 IMC in the 3950x and lower does not support ECC memory.

The two missing stages are the SOC vrm, they are under the CPU. I wanted to get close enough for some detail, and had to crop them out of the overview shot.

If you look at the close up of the SOC stages you can see the latch for the top PCIe slot in the bottom left.

As for putting a probe on the back of the board, I can do that, but I would have to pull it from another location. My reader only has 4 inputs (2 vrm, one chipset, one ambient currently)

Good point, it was just the numbers looking weird to me.

Ahh it's no worries on the backside PCB temps, it's more a curiousity to see how much heat is being pumped into the PCB itself.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

X299 lacks ECC support for proper mission-critical HPC workloads. Gigabyte and ASUS X570 has support for ECC memory.

Wrong. If you own a X299 Gaming 9 or similar gigabyte boards, you can flash an older BIOS which gives support of up to 512GB of ECC RDIMMS, there's numerous other boards that can do this, such as the X299 Sage do too.
Even crucial supports this here: https://uk.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/gIGABYTE/x299-aorus-gaming-9
From gigabytes page before it was pulled with newer revisions

And, if you learn how to use the internet, I'm sure you'll be able to find more resources on how to do that, so your argument is invalid, X570 is a dual channel platform which offers lackluster memory performance so it'd be useless in those workloads to begin with.

There's plenty of other real world workloads where Cascade Lake-X dumps on it's competition:

Just because you bought your 7820X to play minecraft all day and got annoyed because it's a joke excuse of a HEDT chip with no real HEDT features, no need to get salty ; instead how about explain how AMD is getting thrashed over and over consistently across the board with AVX512 is leveraged? Then again you're just an angry little gamer with no perception of "workload" given your stupid comments like "Game consoles will support AVX256" and other nonsense - A console is NOT for HPC workloads and quite frankly, has nothing to do with it, so take that high view of consoles you have elsewhere, child.

 

[basco]

one of you has to be the bigger men or women and stop this plz.
its just another overpriced mainboard but if ya have the cash i don't mind

 

[kapone32]

This is my feeling about HEDT. Intel creates it just because. AMD innovates it and brings the ceiling lower for entry. AMD hits another stinger with 32 cores. Intel is working on their next update to X299 and TRX40 is in the wild. TRX40 prices are announced and AMD has left a huge gap in the HEDT market. Intel responds by listing their update for a mild performance improvement at 1/2 the cost of entry. As far as it being a dead platform PCI_E 3.0 is still viable and the amount of PCIe lanes on X299 or X399 are really something you have to experience to truly appreciate the flexibility and raw performance that HEDT still represents.

 

[EarthDog]

This is my feeling about HEDT. Intel creates it just because. AMD innovates it and brings the ceiling lower for entry. AMD hits another stinger with 32 cores. Intel is working on their next update to X299 and TRX40 is in the wild. TRX40 prices are announced and AMD has left a huge gap in the HEDT market. Intel responds by listing their update for a mild performance improvement at 1/2 the cost of entry. As far as it being a dead platform PCI_E 3.0 is still viable and the amount of PCIe lanes on X299 or X399 are really something you have to experience to truly appreciate the flexibility and raw performance that HEDT still represents.

????

HEDT has been around longer than amd has been competative... x48, x58, x79, x99, etc. HEDT isnt a response... if anything, threadripper and AMD'S HEDT is a response to Intel?

 

[kapone32]

????

HEDT has been around longer than amd has been competative... x48, x58, x79, x99, etc. HEDT isnt a response... if anything, threadripper and AMD'S HEDT is a response to Intel?

Totally agreed the only thing remotely close to HEDT before TR4 was the 9590 (I almost fellout of my chair). I was trying to establish is the neither the X299 ir X399 are dead platforms in my opinion.

Totally agreed the only thing remotely close to HEDT before TR4 was the 9590 (I almost fellout of my chair). I was trying to establish is the neither the X299 ir X399 are dead platforms in my opinion.

Btw I am typing on a 14 inch laptop and it is a chore.

 

[EarthDog]

Totally agreed the only thing remotely close to HEDT before TR4 was the 9590 (I almost fellout of my chair). I was trying to establish is the neither the X299 ir X399 are dead platforms in my opinion.



Btw I am typing on a 14 inch laptop and it is a chore.

Now... my issue is with what I say is blurring of the lines, what others call progress.

AMD, IMO, dropped too many cores into the world too early. Akin to hardware RT on NVIDIA RTX cards. Novel... some benefits in a few things, but overall not a knock out. Like, 16c/32t in mainstream? Da heck?! I would have ZERO problem with that if most people could utilize all those cores and threads. Sure, consoles are coming out that are now 8c/16t (and ray tracing pushing that forward), but, a lot of the public looks at these and think, hell, 16c/32t is better than 10c/20t... ledz dew et. I can't fault more cores for the money in the 6-10c range for mainstream. Above that should have been left for HEDT. Maybe in 5 or so years will 16c/32t will be needed? Maybe core/thread count use in games and apps etc go up a lot faster? No idea. I'm incredibly thankful of their existence in the market, that is for sure!

 

[kapone32]

Now... my issue is with what I say is blurring of the lines, what others call progress.

AMD, IMO, dropped too many cores into the world too early. Akin to hardware RT on NVIDIA RTX cards. Novel... some benefits in a few things, but overall not a knock out. Like, 16c/32t in mainstream? Da heck?! I would have ZERO problem with that if most people could utilize all those cores and threads. Sure, consoles are coming out that are now 8c/16t (and ray tracing pushing that forward), but, a lot of the public looks at these and think, hell, 16c/32t is better than 10c/20t... ledz dew et. I can't fault more cores for the money in the 6-10c range for mainstream. Above that should have been left for HEDT. Maybe in 5 or so years will 16c/32t will be needed? Maybe core/thread count use in games and apps etc go up a lot faster? No idea. I'm incredibly thankful of their existence in the market, that is for sure!

I am so glad that you referenced RTX because that is exactly how I see all those cores for AMD. Unless you need all those cores it does not make sense to get a CPU like that I believe for AM4 or TR4 unless they specifically are made for what you want. I agree in terms of 6 to 10 for the desktop as a limit but the plethora of choices available today in both Desktop and HEDT is pretty crazy future proof or not.

 

[ValenOne]

Wrong. If you own a X299 Gaming 9 or similar gigabyte boards, you can flash an older BIOS which gives support of up to 512GB of ECC RDIMMS, there's numerous other boards that can do this, such as the X299 Sage do too.
Even crucial supports this here: https://uk.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/gIGABYTE/x299-aorus-gaming-9
From gigabytes page before it was pulled with newer revisions
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And, if you learn how to use the internet, I'm sure you'll be able to find more resources on how to do that, so your argument is invalid, X570 is a dual channel platform which offers lackluster memory performance so it'd be useless in those workloads to begin with.


There's plenty of other real world workloads where Cascade Lake-X dumps on it's competition:


Just because you bought your 7820X to play minecraft all day and got annoyed because it's a joke excuse of a HEDT chip with no real HEDT features, no need to get salty ; instead how about explain how AMD is getting thrashed over and over consistently across the board with AVX512 is leveraged? Then again you're just an angry little gamer with no perception of "workload" given your stupid comments like "Game consoles will support AVX256" and other nonsense - A console is NOT for HPC workloads and quite frankly, has nothing to do with it, so take that high view of consoles you have elsewhere, child.

1. Notice "operate in non-ECC mode" while using RDIMM with X299 chipset. LOL.

2. Older BIOS lacks security fixes from the newer BIOS. LOL. Your argument reflects Intel's weaker security mindset.

3. https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2019/05/21/intel-inference-nvidia-gpus/

NVIDIA T4 (Turing) is based on TU104 e.g. RTX 2080 which is less than RTX 2080 Ti.

Intel Xeon 9282 has 56 CPU cores. NVIDIA used two-socket Xeon 9282 with 130‬ CPU cores.

Intel Xeon 8280 has 28 cores, hence two-socket version has 56 cores.


My CPUs are mostly used for hosting GPUs.

The real child is you since actually bought game consoles. You're a hypocrite.


4. Your SISoftware benchmarks are invalid since you didn't use AMD's HEDT such as Ryzen Threadripper 3990 against Intel's HEDT.

AMD's X570 + Ryzen 9 3950X (Zen 2) or Ryzen 9 4xxx (Zen 3) battles Intel's Z390+CoffeeLake -R or incoming Z490+Comet Lake-S

AMD's Ryzen Threadripper 3990 HEDT against Intel's Core i9-10980 HEDT.

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X Offers Incredible Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Try again child.