Finally buildiing a new system ( AM4 )

[AsRock]

The parts i am looking at are

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
CORSAIR VENGEANCELPX16GB (2x 8GB)
ASRock X570 Pro 4

As i am not planning to upgrade again for some time and do know that the 3900X is way more than i need, as far as i can tell the memory should be ok. I am not bothered about wifi and all that.

As i DO NOT shop at Newegg were would the best place be to get this stuff from now ?, as of now it's all on Amazon which are a pain in the ass as their delivery service likes to dump the stuff on the public footpath in the rain to boot.

Item links

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3900X-24-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SXMZLP9/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2PGB54ZYMTXIV&dchild=1&keywords=3900x+cpu&qid=1586956144&s=electronics&sprefix=3900x%2Celectronics%2C171&sr=1-1

Amazon.com: ASRock X570 Pro 4 AM4/4DDR4/HDMI/DP/ATX Motherboard : Electronics

Buy ASRock X570 Pro 4 AM4/4DDR4/HDMI/DP/ATX Motherboard: Motherboards - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-PC4-28800-1-35V-Desktop-Memory/dp/B07FBVYFKH/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=BLE8G4D36BEEAK&qid=1586957123&s=electronics&sr=1-2&th=1

Total Subtotal $673.54

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The parts i am looking at are

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
CORSAIR VENGEANCELPX16GB (2x 8GB)
ASRock X570 Pro 4

As i am not planning to upgrade again for some time and do know that the 3900X is way more than i need, as far as i can tell the memory should be ok. I am not bothered about wifi and all that.

As i DO NOT shop at Newegg were would the best place be to get this stuff from now ?, as of now it's all on Amazon which are a pain in the ass as their delivery service likes to dump the stuff on the public footpath in the rain to boot.

Item links

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3900X-24-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SXMZLP9/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2PGB54ZYMTXIV&dchild=1&keywords=3900x+cpu&qid=1586956144&s=electronics&sprefix=3900x%2Celectronics%2C171&sr=1-1

Amazon.com: ASRock X570 Pro 4 AM4/4DDR4/HDMI/DP/ATX Motherboard : Electronics

Buy ASRock X570 Pro 4 AM4/4DDR4/HDMI/DP/ATX Motherboard: Motherboards - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-PC4-28800-1-35V-Desktop-Memory/dp/B07FBVYFKH/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=BLE8G4D36BEEAK&qid=1586957123&s=electronics&sr=1-2&th=1

Total Subtotal $673.54

Be sure about the ram bro, I bought four sets of vengeance pro RGB so far the first two sets were samy bdie ,one set still lives, the faster 3600 set died (perhaps not the fault of the part if you get my just) the 3rd and fourth sets I picked sets marked specifically as Ryzen tuned, they are both micron E die, they work out the box fine but are running hotter and slower than bdie such that I have not tweaked timings ( they're not adequately supported in ryzencalc to get timing info).

Just for Info mind, they all worked , I am just passing info I would have liked.

Patriot viper kits have worked very well in the few systems I built for others, cheaper yet overclock and work well.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

As i DO NOT shop at Newegg were would the best place be to get this stuff from now ?, as of now it's all on Amazon which are a pain in the ass as their delivery service likes to dump the stuff on the public footpath in the rain to boot.

Go to a local micro center

 

[EarthDog]

Check for best prices in...shoot..what is it, pricewatch.com? Where you build it and it has the lowest prices/links?

EDIT: Pcppartpicker.com!!!!!

As far as ram...stick to the mobo compatibility list for 100%.

Go to a local micro center

Sounds silly in today's world...to go outside to a store for computer parts.

 

[AsRock]

Be sure about the ram bro, I bought four sets of vengeance pro RGB so far the first two sets were samy bdie ,one set still lives, the faster 3600 set died (perhaps not the fault of the part if you get my just) the 3rd and fourth sets I picked sets marked specifically as Ryzen tuned, they are both micron E die, they work out the box fine but are running hotter and slower than bdie such that I have not tweaked timings ( they're not adequately supported in ryzencalc to get timing info).

Just for Info mind, they all worked , I am just passing info I would have liked.

Patriot viper kits have worked very well in the few systems I built for others, cheaper yet overclock and work well. I heard some people were having issue's with them but thought with it being on the list and all.

I guess i wiil keep looking.

Well i was going to link some of those however none of the 3600 kits were listed (.

ASRock X570 Pro4

Supports AMD AM4 Socket Ryzen™ 2000, 3000, 4000 G-Series, 5000 and 5000 G-Series Desktop Processors<br />10 Power Phase Design<br />Supports DDR4 4066+ (OC)<br />2 PCIe 4.0 x16, 2 PCIe 4.0 x1, 1 M.2 (Key E) For WiFi<br />AMD Quad CrossFireX™ and CrossFireX™<br />Graphics Output Options: HDMI...

www.asrock.com

Go to a local micro center

Sadly impossible, it's some 296 miles away.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Well i was going to link some of those however none of the 3600 kits were listed (.

ASRock X570 Pro4

Supports AMD AM4 Socket Ryzen™ 2000, 3000, 4000 G-Series, 5000 and 5000 G-Series Desktop Processors<br />10 Power Phase Design<br />Supports DDR4 4066+ (OC)<br />2 PCIe 4.0 x16, 2 PCIe 4.0 x1, 1 M.2 (Key E) For WiFi<br />AMD Quad CrossFireX™ and CrossFireX™<br />Graphics Output Options: HDMI...

www.asrock.com

Sadly impossible, it's some 296 miles away.

I wouldn't worry too much 3200 is fast enough ,the 3600 kits don't add any FPS value worth mentioning.

 

[dgianstefani]

Yeah RAM speed in Ryzen doesn't matter

Get the 3600 kit. Preferably with 16 or 14 cas.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I wouldn't touch Corsair LPX if you're going AMD, it's really hit and miss. Some sticks don't do 1MHz over 2933MHz, regardless of their official rating.
I'd highly recommend these based on my experience with my two kits. I run them at 16-19-16-19-36 at 3800MHz.

Amazon.com: Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600MHz Kit: Computers & Accessories

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The faster modules (4000MHz+) are supposedly B-die, whereas the lower spec ones are Hynix CJR.

 

[AsRock]

With that said i am back to these, which the only reason i removed them is due not being on the list, but maybe i can get lucky or just run them slower.

Amazon.com: Viper Steel Series DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600MHz Kit: Electronics

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EDIT: haha did not see your post, yeah just what was thinking, thanks

 

[EarthDog]

Yeah RAM speed in Ryzen doesn't matter

Get the 3600 kit. Preferably with 16 or 14 cas.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark

 

[TheLostSwede]

Yeah RAM speed in Ryzen doesn't matter

Get the 3600 kit. Preferably with 16 or 14 cas.

And that comes from someone with an Intel rig...
Ryzen 1k and 2k, it wasn't possible to run RAM at very high speeds, not so any more.
With Ryzen 3k, memory speed matters a lot more, as it's related to the speed of the infinity fabric, which you want to have running as fast as possible. It's also likely to impact the OP more, as he's getting a CPU with two CCDs.

AMD Zen 2 Memory Performance Scaling with Ryzen 9 3900X

We take a close look at memory scaling on AMD's new Zen 2 Ryzen 3900X, testing both application and gaming performance at seven different memory speed and timing combinations ranging from 2400 MHz all the way up to 4000 MHz.

www.techpowerup.com

Maybe remove the single page part in the URL, or people won't be able to read it...

 

[EarthDog]

Maybe remove the single page part in the URL, or people won't be able to read it...

Patreon BS (I dont partake not sure how that got in there!!!).

Ty..done.

Hopefully looking at that and other ryzen ram scaling reviews, we'll see it makes more of a difference than intel, but not much overall. If those differences are worth the price of admission to the OP... nobody will flinch at the choice to go 3600. I would too budget allowing...even if it is negligible in most cases.

 

[dgianstefani]

And that comes from someone with an Intel rig...
Ryzen 1k and 2k, it wasn't possible to run RAM at very high speeds, not so any more.
With Ryzen 3k, memory speed matters a lot more, as it's related to the speed of the infinity fabric, which you want to have running as fast as possible. It's also likely to impact the OP more, as he's getting a CPU with two CCDs.


Maybe remove the single page part in the URL, or people won't be able to read it...

If you can read, you'll see that I have a Ryzen 3900x system. You should also be able to infer sarcasm from my post considering who it was responding to and the choice of emoji.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Patreon BS (I dont partake not sure how that got in there!!!).

Ty..done.

Hopefully looking at that and other ryzen ram scaling reviews, we'll see it makes more of a difference than intel, but not much overall. If those differences are worth the price of admission to the OP... nobody will flinch at the choice to go 3600. I would too budget allowing...even if it is negligible in most cases.

I certainly don't disagree but think it's overhyped , your talking less than 2% in most game's and only as much as 6-7% in a few select cases and a few games, YMMV but depending on costs and support it's upto the buyer obviously how important it is.

 

[dgianstefani]

Memory speed past 3200mhz will affect minimum lows. This is because memory speed affects the speed of the ryzen CPU, not GPU. 95% of the time your game will be GPU limited, but in the instances where the CPU is 100% (CPU limited), faster memory will allow much higher framerates.

Don't try and peddle your tired argument that 3200 is "good enough" for Ryzen, when there are significant gains to be had in the CPU department by using 3600 or 3733.

Anyone with surface level tech knowledge will look at an averages benchmark and say fast memory doesn't matter for FPS.

It matters for minimum lows - and very high refresh rate gaming.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Memory speed past 3200mhz will affect minimum lows. This is because memory speed affects the speed of the ryzen CPU, not GPU. 95% of the time your game will be GPU limited, but in the instances where the CPU is 100% (CPU limited), faster memory will allow much higher framerates.

Don't try and peddle your tired argument that 3200 is "good enough" for Ryzen, when there are significant gains to be had in the CPU department by using 3600 or 3733.

Anyone with surface level tech knowledge will look at an averages benchmark and say fast memory doesn't matter for FPS.

It matters for minimum lows - and very high refresh rate gaming.

I have tried all sorts, I never said it made no difference but(3200) it definitely is more than good enough.

The marginal gains are as I said upto the buyer if worth it.
I have used slower ram, friends Do use slower ram and I get zero complaints about ram speed from customers regardless, sooo.

As others posted the definitive Tpu guide on the matter refer to that to see I'm right.

And Asrock will no doubt do as he wishes, I gave experience in this not ideology but it's upto him

 

[dgianstefani]

Different people have different standards.

You may be happy with limiting your Ryzen by using slow RAM.

Others prefer to get the CPU performance they paid for.

The difference in cost between decent 3200 and decent 3600 ram is about $20. Let's not pretend we're talking about someone recommending a 2080ti here.

 

[EarthDog]

Don't try and peddle your tired argument that 3200 is "good enough" for Ryzen, when there are significant gains to be had in the CPU department by using 3600 or 3733.

Define significant... and provide a link or two, please.
(actually, your different people have different standards likely explains things already,)

I mean, if you are getting out the overclocking skeelz (or that calculator, lol) and tightening the ship down at those overclocked speeds versus potato 3200 JEDEC (new spec 22-xx-xx), maybe we can get into 'significant' talk? People buy 3200 CL14/16... between that and AMD's defined 'sweetspot' of 3600/3733 in step with FCLK, there isn't much there. But again, if it doesn't take away from a better GPU, or 8->16GB or something else more critical, it surely won't be missed.

Again, if you have a link and more clearly define significant, maybe we can learn something.

Others prefer to get the CPU performance they paid for.

Actually, what we pay for is the maximum system spec which is 3200 MHz. Anything past 3200 MHz is overclocking the IMC on the CPU and a veritable crapshoot. You pay for the cake (specs)... overclocking is the icing.

 

[dgianstefani]

https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen...s-2133-2400-2933-3200-3733-4000-4200.1984369/

Battlefield V - CPU heavy game due to open world physics and destructable environment - 0.1% low goes from 44 to 52fps. that's 15% higher FPS - and would remove the feeling of stuttering from your nice and shiny average of 100+, that drops to 40 because you have "good enough" 3200mhz ram.

Then there's the latency argument - you get about a 15% drop in memory latency going from 3200/16 to 3600/16, from around 10ns to 8.7ns, Ryzen is notorious for having higher latencies across the board due to chiplet design.

Then there's raw memory bandwidth performance, which your average (note no 1% low) gaming benchmark testing doesn't show. In any IO based operation - faster memory will lead to noticeable gains.

In conclusion - don't show me useless average charts when talking about a component which affects the CPU. Games average FPS is affected by GPU primarily, so a benchmark that doesn't show 1% low won't give you any data on when the benchmark is CPU limited - which is where you'll see the point of having faster RAM that doesn't bottleneck your system.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen...s-2133-2400-2933-3200-3733-4000-4200.1984369/

Battlefield V - CPU heavy game due to open world physics and destructable environment - 0.1% low goes from 44 to 52fps. that's 15% higher FPS - and would remove the feeling of stuttering from your nice and shiny average of 100+, that drops to 40 because you have "good enough" 3200mhz ram.

Then there's the latency argument - you get about a 15% drop in memory latency going from 3200/16 to 3600/16, from around 10ns to 8.7ns, Ryzen is notorious for having higher latencies across the board due to chiplet design.

Then there's raw memory bandwidth performance, which your average (note no 1% low) gaming benchmark testing doesn't show. In any IO based operation - faster memory will lead to noticeable gains.

In conclusion - don't show me useless average charts when talking about a component which affects the CPU. Games average FPS is affected by GPU primarily, so a benchmark that doesn't show 1% low won't give you any data on when the benchmark is CPU limited - which is where you'll see the point of having faster RAM that doesn't bottleneck your system.

did you look at your own graphs?

they portray 3200 as the sweet spot beyond which there not much to gain!, obviously.

battlefield V is an outlier, not the norm and your graph fits what im saying perfectly ,1 game out of 4 , pre selected too, it mattered , a bit.

 

[AsRock]

I read some time ago and right then though 3600 ram was as high as i wanted to go, and the prices are not all that big from 3200 to 3600 and would give me some play space like when i got this system going for the 3770k.

Trail and error hopefully less of the error .

 

[EarthDog]

https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen...s-2133-2400-2933-3200-3733-4000-4200.1984369/

Battlefield V - CPU heavy game due to open world physics and destructable environment - 0.1% low goes from 44 to 52fps. that's 15% higher FPS - and would remove the feeling of stuttering from your nice and shiny average of 100+, that drops to 40 because you have "good enough" 3200mhz ram.

BF V. 0.1% mins. Cool. What do the rest of the tests show?

Latency..... I can FEEEL those nanknowsekonds, yo!

Bandwidth! Let's get a fire hose attached to my garden spicket... makes mad water flooooooooooo!

In conclusion, and on a much more serious note.. I hear what you are saying. Latency does improve, bandwidth is a bit more (waiting for something tangible...), average isn't the big picture (and lows are greatly affected by the GPU, don't be fooled - one is bedrock, the other, overburden... ). But in the end, we see negligible gains most of the time.

Again, not really saying to not go 3600, but if its over a bump on the GPU, or 8 vs 16GB, or whatever was said, I would put the memory aside.

Surely ASRock has enough to make up his mind.

 

[dgianstefani]

It's not a choice between faster ram and the next tier up for GPU. It's a $10-20 dollar difference. Like I said, lets not play games pretending it's not a worthwhile upgrade.

Find any CPU limited benchmark and see memory speed affect your results, it's that simple.

Not seeing a difference in your results? Your application isn't CPU limited.

did you look at your own graphs?

they portray 3200 as the sweet spot beyond which there not much to gain!, obviously.

battlefield V is an outlier, not the norm and your graph fits what im saying perfectly ,1 game out of 4 , pre selected too, it mattered , a bit.

Battlefield V is the only game there that has serious CPU demands, hence why it's the only benchmark there where RAM speed made a big difference.

The tester would have seen another performance jump moving to an 8 core CPU in that game, less so in all the other games he tested, once again, due to BFV being CPU limited in many situations. This ain't rocket science lads.

 

[EarthDog]

Find any CPU limited benchmark and see memory speed affect your results, it's that simple.

Not seeing a difference in your results? Your application isn't CPU limited.

It isn't though. Those are not mutually exclusive. YOu can have CPU limited things with bandwidth and latency not the issue...

but... I digress. THis is getting old.

 

[AsRock]

Either way i am going be limited by my 390X haha, but with the 3600 ram i should be able to test out if it's worth while or not still.