Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Nordic]

Once in a blue moon you get a dud psu from a reputable design.

Maybe. The psu was getting to 5 years old, which is not that old. I did have pbo enabled, and my edc limits raised to the motherboards limits and was running boinc 24/7. I started to have issues with it turning off randomly during high load, which I thought was because it was overheating. When it stopped working entirely I investigated and found out it was the power supply cable.

 

[GoldenX]

Remember the MSI beta BIOS to circumvent the 16MB chip problem?
They suck on a 3400G. Bad GPU clocking, PBO doesn't work, autoOC neither, RAM only works on XMP, most timing values reset the RAM to 2133MHz CL15, if you manually set a GPU clock to fix the clocking issue, the CPU locks at 1.5v, etc...

 

[RoyZ]

Good evening.

I have been reading all I can the past days about this stuff, but I'm still very new to all this, so I thank you in advance for the patience.
Also, forgive my english if I end up making some spell mistakes. It ain't my first language.

After 8 years with my old PC, I decided to finally upgrade. Nothing too fancy, just some more up to date hardware.
So I ended up building my first AMD PC, as I got a Ryzen R5 3600 CPU, on a MSI B450 Gaming plus ATX motherboard, 16gb RAM at 3000mhz, and a Nvidia RTX 2060 SUPER.

For now, I am using the stock cooler on the CPU, and the temps are worrying me. It can get above 85 C when playing BF5, for example. Seen it reach 89 C on heaviest maps. And that is with my case open, since I have a poor case, with only a couple fans. But still, case open and AC on in my room. This is too hot.
Just to inform, I'm monitoring in game numbers with MSI Afterburner.

So I started reading some stuff about undervolting the CPU to achieve lower temps using the Ryzen Master AMD software. Got a word from some other users on another forum I participate, and they told me it is safe to undervolt, as long as you don't over do it and make your system unstabble.

First thing, to check how my CPU on stock is behaving in numbers, I downloaded Cinebench R20 and ran it on stock CPU settings. Followed the test observing Ryzen Master for Temps and Clocks, and the clocks of my CPU never went above 3800 Ghz. I have been told it is because my temps rise and the CPU dont run at high clocks cause of that. On BF5, it usually sits on 3900 Ghz.

So I added a profile on Ryzen Master. Put my cores at 4000 Ghz, and voltage at 1.25. These values were advised to me by some user to start testing, and from there trying to lower the voltage to 1.2 or even lower.

So I set this up, and first thing I did was go to the game and see. The highest temp I got on BF5 was 69 C, on the same map I got 85-89 before, on stock.

I got happy about the temps I was getting, but the thing that worries me is that, as I kept reading about this, I saw people talking about degrading the CPU by setting static clock speed on all cores like that. So I wanted to hear from you guys, your take on this matter.

Even if I am locking the cores at a lower clock than the boost clock the CPU can take, can I damage it? (The CPU can go up to 4.2 in boost)

And about the voltage, the threads i was reading mostly said that above 1.3 voltages all the time could do this degrading. If I am able to let it stable at 1.20, should I still be worried? Even if only setting the clocks to 4000 Ghz?

Another thing. Should I try lowering the voltages but letting the cores at auto clock speed? All I tried so far was that profile I mentioned above, and it was only for ONE night. Since I did it using the Ryzen Master, CPU went back to default after I turned the PC off and turned it on again today. So at the moment as I write this post I am at stock mode. I didnt try it anymore because I got scared after reading about CPU degrade. And since I am at stock now, I scared of even playing the game.

And what is worst for my CPU? Playing the game at 85 C temps and above but on stock CPU settings, or playing the game 68, 69 C, but with all cores set to 4000 manually and voltage at 1.25 (or 1.2), with a Ryzen Master profile?

I did order a new cooler, it will arrive next week. I am low on cash right now so I could only afford a Gammaxx 400. But from what I could read about it, it should get me better temps than this stock cooler I'm using.

 

[Mussels]

1.2v static OC should be quite safe long term

its not the voltage thats the issue, its the amperage - so a single core boosting at 1.5v briefly is safer than all core 1.4v

 

[GoldenX]

From what I've heard, on Zen2, the max high current voltage with no degradation is somewhere near 1.325v.
1.375v for Zen+.

 

[Taraquin]

Did some Cinebench15-testing with different voltages/speed/PPT-limit on my 3600 with BeQuiet dark rock slim cooler, values are avg after 5 runs:
Stock 1545, 3925MHz 65C 90W
PPT 65 - 30mv: 1480, 3750MHz, 54C, 66W
4GHz@1.14V 1590, 55C, 71W

Gamingperformance was identical at all 3 in the games tested so far.

As for idle-temps stock and the PPT-variant varies between 31 to 45C. At the fixed 4GHz it's extremely stable at 31-35C.

Think I'm gonna stick to 4GHz@1.14V

 

[Mussels]

i was thinking about saving up and snagging a 3900x, but decided to get a 3600, and get a 4000 series chip at the end of the year

Just like Taraquin above me, i plan to pair it with a dark rock slim (what an incredible cooler)

 

[Nordic]

I have a question about memory. My specs are up to date.

I have a Corsair 4x8gb 3600mhz Cas 18 (CMK32GX4M4D3600C18 , Micron E die) kit. I can not under any circumstances get the memory to run at 3600mhz. I can do 3533mhz Cas 14 but not 3600 Cas 18 which is what it is rated for. It doesn't matter if I use 1, 2, 3, or 4 sticks. It doesn't matter what voltage I use. The system will not boot whatsoever if I set the memory to 3600mhz.

I have now tried this memory and cpu on two different x570 motherboards now with the same results. I don't have another ryzen cpu to test the memory with. I don't have other DDR4 memory to test with either.

Is it the CPU or my specific memory kit that can't run the memory at 3600mhz?

 

[Athlonite]

I have a question about memory. My specs are up to date.

I have a Corsair 4x8gb 3600mhz Cas 18 (CMK32GX4M4D3600C18 , Micron E die) kit. I can not under any circumstances get the memory to run at 3600mhz. I can do 3533mhz Cas 14 but not 3600 Cas 18 which is what it is rated for.

I have now tried this memory and cpu on two different x570 motherboards now with the same results. I don't have another ryzen cpu to test the memory with. I don't have other DDR4 memory to test with either.

Is it the CPU or my specific memory kit that can't run the memory at 3600mhz?

did you read your mobo's memory QVL it list on there which 3600MHz kits work with you mobo/cpu combo

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/...VL_3rd_Gen_AMD_Ryzen_Processors_X570_0722.pdf

from what I read it looks like you've bought an incompatible kit for speed/dimms you'll need kits that are spectek or samsung memory based

 

[Nordic]

did you read your mobo's memory QVL it list on there which 3600MHz kits work with you mobo/cpu combo

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/...VL_3rd_Gen_AMD_Ryzen_Processors_X570_0722.pdf

I chose this kit because it specifically was on the motherboard QVL list. My memory kit is on my new and old motherboard's QVL list.

 

[tabascosauz]

I chose this kit because it specifically was on the motherboard QVL list. My memory kit is on my new and old motherboard's QVL list.

Could this be another rare case of a high end chip that can't do 1800 IF? It seems unlikely, but not impossible. Other than that, aside from checking that you are indeed running 1.35V as opposed to JEDEC 1.2V, I can't think of much else. Does 1.4V help you get there? Rev.E should be able to handle it.

What about plugging in some Safe or Fast numbers from Ryzen calculator for Rev.E 3600?

@Athlonite spectek is shite. Spectek is Micron that Micron deems isn't nearly good enough for the Micron sticker.

It doesn't get better than Rev.E for good performance without breaking the bank, but I wonder if this is just another case of the Corsair curse; they seem to only get good bins for their top freq B-die kits, and everything else they get from Hynix, Micron and Samsung is absolutely dumpster tier bins, even if the actual ICs are B-die, Rev.E or CJR. It could very well be a bad bin though, 3600/18 generally doesn't bode well for IC quality.

Also, most would take 3533/14 over 3600/18 in a heartbeat. They're not in the same league. That 3533 is great news, if stable.

 

[Athlonite]

I chose this kit because it specifically was on the motherboard QVL list. My memory kit is on my new and old motherboard's QVL list.

that'll be this kit then CORSAIR CMK32GX4M4D3600C18 ver3.31 32GB(8GB*4) SS Spectek 18-22-22-42 1.35V 3600 3600 ● ● ●

hmmm maybe you cpu's imc doesn't like it can you get 2 of the dimms working at the rated speed

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I have a question about memory. My specs are up to date.

I have a Corsair 4x8gb 3600mhz Cas 18 (CMK32GX4M4D3600C18 , Micron E die) kit. I can not under any circumstances get the memory to run at 3600mhz. I can do 3533mhz Cas 14 but not 3600 Cas 18 which is what it is rated for. It doesn't matter if I use 1, 2, 3, or 4 sticks. It doesn't matter what voltage I use. The system will not boot whatsoever if I set the memory to 3600mhz.

I have now tried this memory and cpu on two different x570 motherboards now with the same results. I don't have another ryzen cpu to test the memory with. I don't have other DDR4 memory to test with either.

Is it the CPU or my specific memory kit that can't run the memory at 3600mhz?

Try 18,22,22,22,84 that for four sticks of micron E to boot here at 3600.

 

[Nordic]

Try 18,22,22,22,84 that for four sticks of micron E to boot here at 3600.

Could this be another rare case of a high end chip that can't do 1800 IF? It seems unlikely, but not impossible. Other than that, aside from checking that you are indeed running 1.35V as opposed to JEDEC 1.2V, I can't think of much else. Does 1.4V help you get there? Rev.E should be able to handle it.

It doesn't matter if I use 1, 2, 3, or 4 sticks. It doesn't matter what voltage I use. The system will not boot whatsoever if I set the memory to 3600mhz. At first I hoped it was something that would be fixed with a bios update. I have now had this memory kit for months and tried it on two different motherboards. It will NOT boot with the memory set to 3600mhz no matter what other settings I try.

What about plugging in some Safe or Fast numbers from Ryzen calculator for Rev.E 3600?
Also, most would take 3533/14 over 3600/18 in a heartbeat. They're not in the same league. That 3533 is great news, if stable.

I have played with the Ryzen calculator. That is how I got the the memory kit to 3533mhz Cas 14. I score better in benchmarks and have better latency at 3533mhz Cas 16 though.

3200mhz Cas 18, Best time: 130.31, Random Latency: 86.31
3533mhz Cas 18 , Best time: 117.62 , Random Latency: 80.64 (Best latency)
3200mhz Cas 16, Best time: 120.5, Random Latency: 90.62
3533mhz Cas 16 , Best time 109.73: , Random Latency: 82.37 (Best time)
3200mhz Cas 14 , Best time: 120.5 , Random Latency: 85.74
3466mhz Cas 14 , Best time: 110.69 , Random Latency: 81.28
3533mhz Cas 14 , Best time: 111.6, Random Latency: 80.06 (Unstable)
3600mhz will not post at all

@!Athlonite spectek is shite. Spectek is Micron that Micron deems isn't nearly good enough for the Micron sticker.

It doesn't get better than Rev.E for good performance without breaking the bank, but I wonder if this is just another case of the Corsair curse; they seem to only get good bins for their top freq B-die kits, and everything else they get from Hynix, Micron and Samsung is absolutely dumpster tier bins, even if the actual ICs are B-die, Rev.E or CJR. It could very well be a bad bin though, 3600/18 generally doesn't bode well for IC quality.

I thought Rev. E was the good stuff. That is what this is.

hmmm maybe you cpu's imc doesn't like it can you get 2 of the dimms working at the rated speed

That is my question. Is it the cpu or memory preventing me from running 3600mhz?

 

[Athlonite]

Probably the CPU and yeah E die is supposed to be the good stuff but Corsair have a bad habit of buying shit binned dies

 

[heky]

@Nordic
You can set the infinity fabric speed and memory speed independently...that way you can set the IF to 1800 and the memory to only 900MTs...its the only way to find out if the chip cant do the IF speed or if the RAM is a shit bin. Also try and play with the voltages for the IMC an IF a bit. I find it really hard to believe that a 3900x can't do 1800 IF (it might be possible though)

 

[Chomiq]

It doesn't matter if I use 1, 2, 3, or 4 sticks. It doesn't matter what voltage I use. The system will not boot whatsoever if I set the memory to 3600mhz. At first I hoped it was something that would be fixed with a bios update. I have now had this memory kit for months and tried it on two different motherboards. It will NOT boot with the memory set to 3600mhz no matter what other settings I try.



I have played with the Ryzen calculator. That is how I got the the memory kit to 3533mhz Cas 14. I score better in benchmarks and have better latency at 3533mhz Cas 16 though.

3200mhz Cas 18, Best time: 130.31, Random Latency: 86.31
3533mhz Cas 18 , Best time: 117.62 , Random Latency: 80.64 (Best latency)
3200mhz Cas 16, Best time: 120.5, Random Latency: 90.62
3533mhz Cas 16 , Best time 109.73: , Random Latency: 82.37 (Best time)
3200mhz Cas 14 , Best time: 120.5 , Random Latency: 85.74
3466mhz Cas 14 , Best time: 110.69 , Random Latency: 81.28
3533mhz Cas 14 , Best time: 111.6, Random Latency: 80.06 (Unstable)
3600mhz will not post at all



I thought Rev. E was the good stuff. That is what this is.

That is my question. Is it the cpu or memory preventing me from running 3600mhz?

Are you adjusting all subtimings? GDM is enabled?

 

[harm9963]

Used Dram calculator to get 3600cl14 ,was easy.
G.SKILL TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) F4-3600C15D-16GTZ

 

[Caring1]

Remember the MSI beta BIOS to circumvent the 16MB chip problem?
They suck on a 3400G. Bad GPU clocking, PBO doesn't work, autoOC neither, RAM only works on XMP, most timing values reset the RAM to 2133MHz CL15, if you manually set a GPU clock to fix the clocking issue, the CPU locks at 1.5v, etc...

This is probably what causes my issues with a 3200G on an MSI X470 Gaming Plus.
I bought 16Gb (2x8) 3600MHz ram and can't get it above 2666MHz Ram speed or it refuses to boot, it will reset to 2133MHz.

 

[Taraquin]

Notdic: If you try safe preset on dram calc on 3600, no boot even then? Do you use A2-B2-slot for the ram? A1-B1 tends to yield lower speed on many MBs.

 

[Caring1]

Notdic: If you try safe preset on dram calc on 3600, no boot even then? Do you use A2-B2-slot for the ram? A1-B1 tends to yield lower speed on many MBs.

I have to run single channel in B1 & B2 as the two other slots closest to the CPU are dead.

 

[Mussels]

I have to run single channel in B1 & B2 as the two other slots closest to the CPU are dead.

i feel like this information may have been critical earlier on

also, have you checked the CPU socket and bottom of CPU? i had thermal paste run down there killing a ram slot, compressed air and iso alchoyumyums cleaned it out and fixed it

 

[Caring1]

i feel like this information may have been critical earlier on

also, have you checked the CPU socket and bottom of CPU? i had thermal paste run down there killing a ram slot, compressed air and iso alchoyumyums cleaned it out and fixed it

I bought the Motherboard dirt cheap as dead.
Inspected veeeery closely every component and mm of the board then proceeded to attempt booting using basic compatible Ram and a lowly (new) CPU before even trying the 3200G or better Ram.
It was only through trial and error I found two slots were dead, but the board runs faultlessly apart from the Ram speed issue now, which may be the known Bios issue I mentioned earlier by another member.

 

[Mussels]

This is why my ram slot stopped work, its called 'woops thats conductonaut'

 

[Taraquin]

I have to run single channel in B1 & B2 as the two other slots closest to the CPU are dead.

In that case I would get a new MB, you are missing a lot of performance due tobsingle channel, and using the B1-slot probably affects you max ram speed quite a bit.