AMD B550 Chipset Detailed, It's Ready for Zen 3, Older AM4 Motherboards not Compatible

[oxidized]

Please read my previous response to the same question earlier in this thread, as I'm not writing that again.

I read it good the first time, it's not a response, so wait let me rephrase my question. Why tout about AM4 support until 2020(2021) when you plan on forcing old customers to buy another motherboard anyway? I mean in the end whether i buy a new mobo because the old one has a chipset doesn't support the CPU i want to buy, or because the old one has a socket which doesn't support the CPU i want to buy, i'm still forced to buy another motherboard, so again what was the goal of touting about supporting AM4 socket until 2021 if in the end many will have to buy a new motherboard anyway?

 

[Space Lynx]

Good luck spending 500€ for 10fps...

huh? MSI Z490 mobo I just pre-ordered is $169.99 and the CPU will be around $400-500 which various version I get, hoping the non-integrated graphics variant is a touch cheaper.

They promised AM4 support, what that means, they never explained and clearly no-one asked the question either, until now and all of a sudden, everyone's shocked. Again, AMD doesn't address you and me, it addresses its customers when it makes these announcements, so just because some people thought it meant something, it doesn't mean that's what AMD meant.

that's shady as crap wording. lol intel and amd are the same, there is no point in brand loyalty its capitalism. neither of these companies care about you. so im picking the best performance for only 5% more money. later homies.

 

[oxidized]

that's shady as crap wording. lol intel and amd are the same, there is no point in brand loyalty its capitalism. neither of these companies care about you. so im picking the best performance for only 5% more money. later homies.

This, this and this

 

[TheLostSwede]

I read it good the first time, it's not a response, so wait let me rephrase my question. Why tout about AM4 support until 2020(2021) when you plan on forcing old customers to buy another motherboard anyway? I mean in the end whether i buy a new mobo because the old one has a chipset doesn't support the CPU i want to buy, or because the old one has a socket which doesn't support the CPU i want to buy, i'm still forced to buy another motherboard, so again what was the goal of touting about supporting AM4 socket until 2021 if in the end many will have to buy a new motherboard anyway?

Maybe you read it, but you clearly didn't understand it. The support isn't for you or me, it's for the board makers and their parts suppliers. Know that they have four or five generations of products using the same socket, means that they can plan far ahead in the future and place orders accordingly. That matters a lot when you run a business.

that's shady as crap wording. lol intel and amd are the same, there is no point in brand loyalty its capitalism. neither of these companies care about you.

Yes, they're profit seeking enterprises, so I don't get why everyone's so surprised. They make products to sell to us so they can make money. It's not stranger than that.

 

[oxidized]

Maybe you read it, but you clearly didn't understand it. The support isn't for you or me, it's for the board makers and their parts suppliers. Know that they have four or five generations of products using the same socket, means that they can plan far ahead in the future and place orders accordingly. That matters a lot when you run a business.

Meaning they planned to backstab us from the beginning using facts they should've only told manufacturers, to advertise their CONSUMER products at CONSUMER targeted events too, So well that changes nothing, they could at least have specified that chipsets would have not guaranteed support for all the CPUs throughout the period they intended to support AM4, instead they didn't, and nobody asked because it sounded obvious that it was meant as everyone understood it.

 

[Sonicjms]

Eh, I'll wait and see if my b350 gets a bios update, technically according to that chart it shouldn't have 3000 series support but it does and if one manufacturer does it they all have to in order to keep up appearances

 

[oxidized]

Eh, I'll wait and see if my b350 gets a bios update, technically according to that chart it shouldn't have 3000 series support but it does and if one manufacturer does it they all have to in order to keep up appearances

Hopefully.

 

[Space Lynx]

Yes, they're profit seeking enterprises, so I don't get why everyone's so surprised. They make products to sell to us so they can make money. It's not stranger than that.

Exactly, so I will pay 5% more and get max performance with z490 and ampere. and since navi 2 prob won't overclock stably similar to navi, once overclocked a 2070 super matches a 2080 super easily. ampere will prob oc very well as well, so i will oc a 3080 and obliterate navi 2. as history as shown this is almost every recent generation, i doubt it changes.

 

[Ruru]

I still guess that it's more up to motherboard manufacturers, just like 300-series shouldn't had an official Zen2 support.

(didn't read previous posts here, sorry)

 

[oxidized]

Exactly, so I will pay 5% more and get max performance with z490 and ampere. and since navi 2 prob won't overclock stably similar to navi, once overclocked a 2070 super matches a 2080 super easily. ampere will prob oc very well as well, so i will oc a 3080 and obliterate navi 2. as history as shown this is almost every recent generation, i doubt it changes.

I don't understand why you're talking about GPUs tho

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Exactly, so I will pay 5% more and get max performance with z490 and ampere. and since navi 2 prob won't overclock stably similar to navi, once overclocked a 2070 super matches a 2080 super easily. ampere will prob oc very well as well, so i will oc a 3080 and obliterate navi 2. as history as shown this is almost every recent generation, i doubt it changes.

Rattle fully thrown out of pram then, go you.

@oxidized I think you need to get a grip mate soo emotional, damn AMD for innovation damn AMD for not having the foresight to tell us Exactly what's occuring in three years.

Wtaf mate show me an example of any company being that specific about a product three to four no,,, find one that specific even a year ahead of them even f#£ing designing it, please do.

 

[Space Lynx]

I don't understand why you're talking about GPUs tho

because AMD is a company is still disappointing me as a whole. Navi driver instability 8 months after release is a bit unacceptable. you still can't use msi afterburner to do a mild oc on Navi without it crashing.

this reflects on AMD as a collective whole. this news is the just the nail in the coffin for me. so time for z490 and ampere, stability and quality. as history has shown.

Rattle fully thrown out of pram then, go you.

@oxidized I think you need to get a grip mate soo emotional, damn AMD for innovation damn AMD for not having the foresight to tell us Exactly what's occuring in three years.

Wtaf mate show me an example of any company being that specific about a product three to four no,,, find one that specific even a year ahead of them even f#£ing designing it, please do.

im thankful for AMD for kickstarting competition, time to go back to quality though.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

because AMD is a company is still disappointing me as a whole. Navi driver instability 8 months after release is a bit unacceptable. you still can't use msi afterburner to do a mild oc on Navi without it crashing.

this reflects on AMD as a collective whole. this news is the just the nail in the coffin for me. so time for z490 and ampere, stability and quality. as history has shown.



im thankful for AMD for kickstarting competition, time to go back to quality though.

Don't forget that time they brought out Polaris only to over do the pciex ,you still here.

 

[Tom Yum]

I'm rocking a 3900x on my X370 ASRock Taichi which according to AMD isn't supported. And that is ok, because it is the motherboard manufacturers who ultimately decide what their motherboards support and don't support. Some motherboard manufacturers skimped on small 16mb bios chips, they will always struggle to support newer chips. Others however did better, like the X370 Taichi and therefore have been able to accommodate 3rd gen. The latest asrock bios for my board recommends against upgrading in you run older Ryzen's, likely because they are preparing to drop support for older generations to make room for newer ones.

I think AMD doesn't want the uncertainty of saying 'your motherboard may or may not support 4th gen Ryzen', so it is easier to draw a hard line at X570/B550 yes, everything else no'. I'm confident though that the vast majority of X470's and B450 boards will get support, 1) because history has shown us that is generally the case, and 2) 4th gen remains electrically and physically compatible to AM4.

 

[oxidized]

@oxidized I think you need to get a grip mate soo emotional, damn AMD for innovation damn AMD for not having the foresight to tell us Exactly what's occuring in three years.

Wtaf mate show me an example of any company being that specific about a product three to four no,,, find one that specific even a year ahead of them even f#£ing designing it, please do.

What? Not sure you smoked something honestly, nobody asked that AMD should've supported their "socket" until 2021, they promised it, and now they're basically not keeping that promise, because although they're supporting AM4, many will still have to buy a new mobo, so the result is the same.

because AMD is a company is still disappointing me as a whole. Navi driver instability 8 months after release is a bit unacceptable. you still can't use msi afterburner to do a mild oc on Navi without it crashing.

this reflects on AMD as a collective whole. this news is the just the nail in the coffin for me. so time for z490 and ampere, stability and quality. as history has shown.

Their CPUs are fantastic, what are you talking about, besides talking about GPUs is out of place here, it's totally offtopic, and doesn't really makes you credible, because you're sounding pretty much a fanboy with these.

 

[Patriot]

im thankful for AMD for kickstarting competition, time to go back to quality though.

XD nothing quality about having to use a water chiller to hit 5.4ghz to win an old benchmark on an older OS that doesn't have the scheduler updates for your competition and having to remove SGX because you were incapable of fixing it.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

What? Not sure you smoked something honestly, nobody asked that AMD should've supported their "socket" until 2021, they promised it, and now they're basically not keeping that promise, because although they're supporting AM4, some will still have to buy a new mobo, so the result is the same.



Their CPUs are fantastic, what are you talking about, besides talking about GPU is out of place here, it's totally offtopic, and doesn't really makes you credible, because you're sounding pretty much a fanboy with these.

Your chatting absolute rubbish mate , your facts are your interpretation and it's lead to delusion.

Shout me up when you , no don't.

 

[apoklyps3]

I wonder how many "+"s intel can add to their stonage era 14nm process before fanboys figure out it's a scam

 

[oxidized]

Your chatting absolute rubbish mate , your facts are your interpretation and it's lead to delusion.

Shout me up when you , no don't.

Oh, MY interpretation? Well ok then maybe you haven't read many posts here or around other forums, that's anyone's interpretation, anyone with no bias.

 

[apoklyps3]

how intel fanboys feel when they pay 500+ more $ for 10 extra fps in random junk like fortinte

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Maybe you read it, but you clearly didn't understand it. The support isn't for you or me, it's for the board makers and their parts suppliers. Know that they have four or five generations of products using the same socket, means that they can plan far ahead in the future and place orders accordingly. That matters a lot when you run a business.

So AMD let the hype train build by marketing this socket to AMD DIY customers knowing well that this was a lie. If Intel marketed, say, LGA 1200 as having a 4 year life-cycle and then artificially segmented their boards with chipsets, only allowing certain CPU to work with certain chipsets, you'd be saying their were scumbags taking advantage of customers. The VERY people that ripped intel apart when it was revealed there was no technical reason the 8700k needed to be on a different socket are now jumping to AMD's defense when they do the exact same thing. There is no reason they cant support ryzen 4000 on x370. They could have mandated a 256Mbit ROM to hold future iterations of CPU microcode. But no, they backstabbed customers and sold on their long history of forwards compatibility only to run rough-shot over their consumer base.

If you have to buy a new motherboard for a CPU 2 years after the first iteration, then you are no better then intel. Ryzen came out the same year as LGA 1151, and now the same time Intel is moving to a new socket those earlier AMD customers have to buy new motherboards too, and dont even get the potential benefits of having a new socket, like better power delivery or more PCIe lanes.

The difference here is Intel tells you up front they are going to punch you in the face, AMD pretends to befriend you only to hit you on the back of the head with a wrench. There are plenty of AMD customers, myself included, that would not have bought into AM4 if they know the generation would be segmented like this, how curious AMD didnt bother defining this until the last generation was ready. Curious.....Almost like they were squeezing money out of their customers before spitting in their face. (after all, the 4 year support was NOT defined as "for manufacturers only" and never did AMD say "you wont be able to use 4000 series chips on 300 and 400 series motherboards". How....convenient for them.)

I wonder how many "+"s intel can add to their stonage era 14nm process before fanboys figure out it's a scam

I wonder how many node changes AMD will need before AMD fanboys admit AMD still cant match Skylake in gaming performance.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Exactly, so I will pay 5% more and get max performance with z490 and ampere. and since navi 2 prob won't overclock stably similar to navi, once overclocked a 2070 super matches a 2080 super easily. ampere will prob oc very well as well, so i will oc a 3080 and obliterate navi 2. as history as shown this is almost every recent generation, i doubt it changes.

Great story, but no-one cares.

 

[Turmania]

I dont care about intel or amd. I just buy one that suits me and my wallet. What I never understood is both companies are out there to milk you and they have when they had the advantage.

 

[Space Lynx]

Great story, but no-one cares.

don't care about your opinions either, but here we are, reading the same the thread. neat stuff.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

don't care about your opinions either, but here we are, reading the same the thread. neat stuff.

Some what ironically you hate AMD the topic of this thread he isn't arsed but is non dramatic and reality based.