Intel Core i9-10900K Stressed, Package Power Reads 235W, Temperatures 93°C

[Metroid]

No surprise here.

 

[EarthDog]

I wonder why it throttled.... tjmax is 115C on these chips and it only reached 93C.

All core boost can also vary by board. Ive heard 4.8, some 4.9, others adhere hardcore to Intel spec by default and ends up running this at 4.3 Ghz...

 

[LTUGamer]

That is what AMD done with FX-9590 to catch Intel

Since Aida FPU is giving maximum loads, these numbers will be smaller in real world operations, such as gaming. However 93C is still too much when it is cooled by 240 mm liquid cooler.

 

[moproblems99]

Hmmm, not really sure why a hot running chip, not even hedt, pulling double the wattage of the competition is impressive. Am I missing something?

 

[Caring1]

Hmmm, not really sure why a hot running chip, not even hedt, pulling double the wattage of the competition is impressive. Am I missing something?

Yes a dictionary.
The word you were looking for is disappointing, not impressive.

 

[EarthDog]

Apparently with AVX enabled, these chips can hit 400W...

pretty sure this has avx enabled by default...in particular the fpu test.

Advertised all-core boost of 10900K/KF is 4800 MHz. It's short by just 30 MHz.

Multi reads 48x. Likely just spread spectrum doing its thing on bclk.

 

[LTUGamer]

Hmmm, not really sure why a hot running chip, not even hedt, pulling double the wattage of the competition is impressive. Am I missing something?

Because chip performance is not good enough to compete against AMD chips, they just brutally increased core count, voltage and core speeds to give additional performance for the CPU. If AMD CPUs were as bad as Bulldozer was, this CPU would have fewer cores or lower clocks.

 

[moproblems99]

Yes a dictionary.
The word you were looking for is disappointing, not impressive.

Because chip performance is not good enough to compete against AMD chips, they just brutally increased voltage and core speeds to give additional performance for the CPU.

Um, wut? Where did I said it was impressive?

 

[EarthDog]

Because chip performance is not good enough to compete against AMD chips, they just brutally increased voltage and core speeds to give additional performance for the CPU.

?

Voltage is similar. They've added 25% more cores and threads and 100mhz base clock and max all c/t by 100/200 mhz. Is that brutal..no voltage changes and meager clock increases?

 

[LTUGamer]

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Voltage is similar. They've added 25% more cores and threads and 100mhz base clock and max all c/t by 100/200 mhz. Is that brutal..no voltage changes and meager clock increases?

Yes, they added little bit of everything, but they "forgot" to move from 14 nm lithography to 7 nm lithography... That is why Intel was forced to increase clocks and core count to be competitive. It is needed to push 14 nm processor to the max, to achieve same performance as regularly operated 7 nm processor. BTW Core i7 9700K were pushed to very high clocks, where any additional clocks increase both consumption and heating quite strongly.

 

[BArms]

The 8700K had TIM and the usual terrible stuff at that...the 9900K was soldered and the 10900K not only continues that trend but is even experimenting with removing unnecessary layers off the top of the die to facilitate a thicker IHS, all in the name of handling the heat.

And it's a goddamn 240mm AIO; it's not going to perform worse "than a lot of air coolers". 93C degrees is not even close to attaining the 70C requirement for TVB to kick in for that max rated 4.9 boost.

There's no wiggle room left on this process, period. All you can hope for is rolling the dice on a good 10-core bin that can shave off a few millivolts at the top end and stay stable.

Well that's a shame then. But I still want to know which AIO they had, some of them perform worse than air coolers and nobody is going to put a 240 on an I9-10900K anyway. Just my 2c.

 

[EarthDog]

Yes, they added little bit of everything, but they "forgot" to move from 14 nm lithography to 7 nm lithography... That is why Intel was forced to increase clocks and core count to be competitive. It is needed to push 14 nm processor to the max, to achieve same performance as regularly operated 7 nm processor

I didn't ask any of that. I just clarified what happened compared to what you said.

There was no "brutal" raising of voltage or clocks. The voltage is the same, clock speeds are raised, but not much... they added 25% more cores and threads (on the same process to compete, yes, derp). Now, feel free to continue your dropping your deuce on Intel.

 

[hat]

An AIO you mean with very little fluid and terrible fluid flow rates. A legit loop with a good, maybe double thick radiator 240 or 360 would probably be fine.

You may be right... but take a step back and consider for a moment that this chip requires a real water setup to even run at stock...

 

[trparky]

My guess is that this chip is running on the razor's edge of stability. Just enough voltage to keep it stable while at the same time not too much voltage so as to have the thing cook itself. They're probably optimizing it down to the freakin' fourth number after the decimal point.

It's certainly impressive that Intel has been able to pull it off however at the same time it's just a joke.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

You may be right... but take a step back and consider for a moment that this chip requires a real water setup to even run at stock...

 

[KarymidoN]

An AIO you mean with very little fluid and terrible fluid flow rates. A legit loop with a good, maybe double thick radiator 240 or 360 would probably be fine.

why not just chill the crap out of this blazing volcano...

 

[Cranky5150]

why not just chill the crap out of this blazing volcano...

Cause it was shite to begin with?...........

 

[Melvis]

So not run on a stock cooler then? hmmmmm thats a shame.

 

[jmcosta]

This seems to be about right, if you stress test lets say a Ryzen2 FPU it will thermal throttle as well, even at stock settings with a good cooling.
the FPU subtest drives the power draw and thermal state of the system to the maximum regardless of whether it is overclocked or not

 

[HTC]

This clearly shows the cons and pros of staying on 14 NM for several years.

Pros:
Very refined die process allows for high core clock even on cpu with a decent amount of cores.

Cons:
While it is refined, it is still 14nm and pushing high core clock out of a old uneficient process while slamming 2 ekstra cores in as well has a down side to it. High wattage use and that gives a hot running cpu as a side effect of high wattage use and clearly shows why it is about time intel moves to 10 or 7 nm now. 14nm is just to old now and way to uneficient.

Another con you missed: by having products on such a refined process, Intel makes it that much harder for products on a NEWER process to surpass the products they intend to replace: specially considering the "usual" 2% to 3% performance improvement VS previous gen.

 

[ilyon]

In fact, the FX9590 is a kind of mobile processor when you think about it. Sort of.

 

[watzupken]

So not run on a stock cooler then? hmmmmm thats a shame.

No stock cooler provided for a reason. Otherwise when you open the case, you will see a melted cooler and motherboard. In fact, I believe 90% of air coolers will not be able to handle the heat output. Which is why I think Intel have to stop their madness of higher clockspeed + more core counts.

 

[Melvis]

No stock cooler provided for a reason. Otherwise when you open the case, you will see a melted cooler and motherboard. In fact, I believe 90% of air coolers will not be able to handle the heat output. Which is why I think Intel have to stop their madness of higher clockspeed + more core counts.

Thats exactly my point

 

[ARF]

In fact, the FX9590 is a kind of mobile processor when you think about it. Sort of.

Apparently with AVX enabled, these chips can hit 400W...

The most DOA product since FX.

It's gonna be really hot, hot summer

This is in the area where high-end Threadrippers operate.

Reminds of Nvidia's Fermi. Someone needs to modify this meme with Intel's CEO Bob Swan and Comet Lake CPU for grill.

 

[Vayra86]

Another con you missed: by having products on such a refined process, Intel makes it that much harder for products on a NEWER process to surpass the products they intend to replace: specially considering the "usual" 2% to 3% performance improvement VS previous gen.

They already have a solution for that, they call it Alder Lake, combining their 14nm ++++++ with 10nm ----lackluster to achieve the feat of double the silicon for half the performance when absolutely required, to meet TDP budget

Brilliant eh