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No, I meant, what CPU have you got right now? What are you upgrading from?Yeah, I am well aware that I got nothing.
No, I meant, what CPU have you got right now? What are you upgrading from?Yeah, I am well aware that I got nothing.
No, I meant, what CPU have you got right now? What are you upgrading from?
System Name | Violet |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | ASRock x570 Phantom Gaming X |
Cooling | Be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 |
Memory | G.Skill Flare x 32GB 3400Mhz |
Video Card(s) | MSI 6900XT Gaming X Trio |
Storage | Western Digital WD Black SN750 1TB |
Display(s) | 3440x1440 |
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH Performance |
Power Supply | Corsair RM850x |
Mouse | EVGA X15 |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 RGB |
Software | Windows 10 64bit |
They all sounds like more fun upgrades.But yeah, really considering to cancel order and wait for Zen 3 or RKL or even Alder Lake.
Kinda funny, now we're getting posts suggesting Intel are not too bad at gaming and are a viable option.
Where were the news posts declaring Ryzens as the same ,when intel were not formidable.
Intel: AMD, we have beat the Ryzen 3000 serie..... lol.
AMD: Great job Intel, you have indeed a higher score in the wattage meter....
Intel: %$@%#^ AMD, %$#@!$...![]()
Sold my 7700k couple days ago for $300 (originally cost $350 in 2017) and am going from the top gaming performance of that time to the new top gaming performance of today (and its still Intel).Just because it's a decent second hand CPU it doesn't mean it's worth it.
I mean, you already have an 8700K. Dunno what you're expecting from such an upgrade. Maybe wait for the post-Skylake-CPU's to get some real improvements with less power draw.
If you had a 4 core I wouldn't say anything.
Even besides stress testing? I've never used one lol.
Buy ryzen 4000 this year and you're looking at the exact same thing the next time you want to upgrade. At least with the 1200 Socket and 10900k you have atleast 1 generation more of upgrades (rocket lake). Can't say that if you go 4000 series and x570 (it's EOL). AM4 will be replaced after this year.This is mediocre and embarrassing. If they atleast had the decency to support a single platform for 4 years maybe this would be worth it with previous socket. But of course new socket so add easily 150$ for a 10900k build. At that point i would objectively wait for next zen generation.
Judging by history and how every time before has went Intel is the safer bet of pure gaming is your goal.Why is Zen3 losing in the future when we already know that OEMs are reporting 20%+ IPC improvements, that moving to 7nm EUV will gain 200-300Mhz in the clocks (possibly allowing Zen3's boost frequency to hit 5.0Ghz and basically taking away Intel's last, albeit pointless, source of pride), and that the amount of cores per CCX is going to be doubled. We know from the reviews of the 3100 vs 3300x that the two vs one CCX topology respectively equated to an approximate 12% overall performance increase. With Zen 3 doubling the cores per CCX, there's every reason to believe that this performance boost will help Zen3 in ADDITION to the 20+% IPC increase.
So with the 20% IPC increase, the 200-300Mhz boost in clocks, and the doubling of cores per CCX, Zen3 could very well result in core for core performance gains vs Zen2 in the area of 30+%! When it comes to rocket lake, we know there will be new core architecture, but the same old 14nm process. I seriously doubt this will result in better performance gains than Zen3. It was just leaked that OEMs testing early samples of Zen3 believe that not only will Zen3 maintain multicore application dominance, but that Zen3 might take the gaming performance crown as well..... Knowing all of that, I don't see how it's possible for you to believe Zen3 will be defeated by whatever intel squirts out
Well you had a 4 core so I don't see have that have anything to do with the quote from me. It's not like I disagree with you here.Sold my 7700k couple days ago for $300 (originally cost $350 in 2017) and am going from the top gaming performance of that time to the new top gaming performance of today (and its still Intel).
Use hard tubing and just have to clean my loop about once a year as well no big deal its 1 day of 365 and my Temps stay awesome and my oc's strong.Sorry if that's offtopic but besides having to drain it once a year or even less often I am not having any work with it at all. Just runs and runs. But I am using soft tubing and clear cooling liquid.
Anyway, I did order a 10900k but still not sure if I might cancel it and wait rather for Zen 3.
Processor | 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | XTRFY M42 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
What? AMD has yet to ever take the gaming crown once since introducing ryzen after all the releases and all the years passed they never took the gaming title.
Whu
Why is it all you fanboys love to leave out the part where Intel has never been beaten in gaming performance since introducing ryzen. Not once.
For some this is all the news and yet you guys can't even manage to mention it.
I'll sell everything and go ryzen the minute they have that crown (heck I said that back in 2017 and I absolutely meant it) but still 3 years later when I'm ready to upgrade and I'm looking for the best gaming performance once again. I'm left with only one option like last time. Intel.
Sold my 7700k couple days ago for $300 (originally cost $350 in 2017) and am going from the top gaming performance of that time to the new top gaming performance of today (and its still Intel).
I been saying since the 1800x and when I canceled my order for it ill go ryzen when they can actually take the top spot for gaming (the only thing that matters to me).
Buy ryzen 4000 this year and you're looking at the exact same thing the next time you want to upgrade. At least with the 1200 Socket and 10900k you have atleast 1 generation more of upgrades (rocket lake). Can't say that if you go 4000 series and x570 (it's EOL). AM4 will be replaced after this year.
Judging by history and how every time before has went Intel is the safer bet of pure gaming is your goal.
As soon as they take the gaming crown I'm down.It's probably a good time to try Zen 3.![]()
Biggest "other reasons" I've seen....But... there are already games that run better on Ryzen than they do on Intel. Going forward, there is little reason to believe that will not get better. And on top of that, the Zen CPUs do it without burning a hole in your wallet for extra cooling.
And on top of THAT... how CPU limited are you really if you buy any high end CPU? For me the verdict was out with Ryzen 3000, to be honest. There is no real reason to go blue, but there are notable disadvantages to it. Do you really want to double or triple the power budget on your CPU for 5 FPS?
Processor | 7800X3D |
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Motherboard | MSI MAG Mortar b650m wifi |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin |
Memory | 32GB Corsair Vengeance 30CL6000 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Lexar NM790 4TB + Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial BX100 250GB |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Lian Li A3 mATX White |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | XTRFY M42 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC |
As soon as they take the gaming crown I'm down.
Biggest "other reasons" I've seen....
Stability
Of the 4 ryzen builds I've helped friends with (and my own 3600 secondary system) not 1 has booted up and just ran. All had problems booting and several have had issue staying stable and friends have had to call me multiple times to troubleshoot a dead pc after a shut down. I eventually even had it happen to me this March and required me unplugging the system holding power button for several minutes and leaving it alone for over an hour before it came back.
Just a lot of trouble really.
The other reason is resale value (which is very important to me)
My 2017 7700k originally cost me $350 and I just sold it a couple days ago for $300 (many go for this and more on ebay every single day) at the same time my buddy wanted to sell his 2017 $500 ryzen 1800x and he couldn't even get a buyer at $150.
Intel just holds its value better and even though today a 3300x at less than $200 can keep up people would rather pay me $300 to get my 7700k.
There are other reasons but outside of gaming these are the other 2 major ones that have me going Intel once again. Maybe one day of amd can truly claim the best gaming performance things will change but until then I'll have to stick with Intel.
Don't call people that, it's rude.Why is it all you fanboys love to leave out the part where Intel has never been beaten in gaming performance since introducing ryzen. Not once.
System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
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Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
I would not pay $300.As soon as they take the gaming crown I'm down.
Biggest "other reasons" I've seen....
Stability
Of the 4 ryzen builds I've helped friends with (and my own 3600 secondary system) not 1 has booted up and just ran. All had problems booting and several have had issue staying stable and friends have had to call me multiple times to troubleshoot a dead pc after a shut down. I eventually even had it happen to me this March and required me unplugging the system holding power button for several minutes and leaving it alone for over an hour before it came back.
Just a lot of trouble really.
The other reason is resale value (which is very important to me)
My 2017 7700k originally cost me $350 and I just sold it a couple days ago for $300 (many go for this and more on ebay every single day) at the same time my buddy wanted to sell his 2017 $500 ryzen 1800x and he couldn't even get a buyer at $150.
Intel just holds its value better and even though today a 3300x at less than $200 can keep up people would rather pay me $300 to get my 7700k.
There are other reasons but outside of gaming these are the other 2 major ones that have me going Intel once again. Maybe one day of amd can truly claim the best gaming performance things will change but until then I'll have to stick with Intel.
Why is it all you fanboys love to leave out the part where Intel has never been beaten in gaming performance since introducing ryzen. Not once.
Processor | R9 5950x |
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Motherboard | Asus x570 Crosshair VIII Formula |
Cooling | EK 360mm AIO D-RGB |
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 2x16gb (CL16@3800MHz) |
Video Card(s) | PNY GeForce RTX 3090 24GB |
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB NVMe | Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |
Display(s) | Acer Predator XB323QK 4K 144Hz |
Case | Corsair 5000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Objective2 Amp/DAC | GoXLR | AKG K612PRO | Beyerdynamic DT880| Rode Pod Mic |
Power Supply | Corsair AX 850w |
Mouse | Razer DeathAdder Elite V2 |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 Platinum RGB "Cherry MX Brown" |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Window 11 Pro |
Good for you and all but why the hell on earth someone would pay $300 for 7700k, that some amazing sweet talking.My 2017 7700k originally cost me $350 and I just sold it a couple days ago for $300 (many go for this and more on ebay every single day) at the same time my buddy wanted to sell his 2017 $500 ryzen 1800x and he couldn't even get a buyer at $150.
That's what I thought, but then I checked and saw three different used ones sold for about $280 each last month, crazy.Good for you and all but why the hell on earth someone would pay $300 for 7700k, that some amazing sweet talking.
System Name | Bragging Rights |
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Processor | Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz |
Motherboard | It has no markings but it's green |
Cooling | No, it's a 2.2W processor |
Memory | 2GB DDR3L-1333 |
Video Card(s) | Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz) |
Storage | 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3 |
Display(s) | 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz |
Case | Veddha T2 |
Audio Device(s) | Apparently, yes |
Power Supply | Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger |
Mouse | MX Anywhere 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all) |
VR HMD | Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though.... |
Software | W10 21H1, barely |
Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
Intel has never been beaten in gaming performance since introducing ryzen. Not once.
BTW where did you go for your 10900k pre order. I had the unfortunate luck to go with newegg business (rip) lol
Processor | R9 5950x |
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Motherboard | Asus x570 Crosshair VIII Formula |
Cooling | EK 360mm AIO D-RGB |
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z Neo 2x16gb (CL16@3800MHz) |
Video Card(s) | PNY GeForce RTX 3090 24GB |
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB NVMe | Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |
Display(s) | Acer Predator XB323QK 4K 144Hz |
Case | Corsair 5000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Objective2 Amp/DAC | GoXLR | AKG K612PRO | Beyerdynamic DT880| Rode Pod Mic |
Power Supply | Corsair AX 850w |
Mouse | Razer DeathAdder Elite V2 |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 Platinum RGB "Cherry MX Brown" |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Window 11 Pro |
That's what I thought, but then I checked and saw three different used ones sold for about $280 each last month, crazy.
That way of reasoning works both ways. Buy a 9900KF and you'll have no upgrade options, and nothing came before it for the Z390 boards. (The 9900K and the 8000 is the same generation)Buy ryzen 4000 this year and you're looking at the exact same thing the next time you want to upgrade.
System Name | BloodRage |
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Processor | R5 2600X PBO enabled |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B450 Elite |
Cooling | Arctic Esports Duo |
Memory | 16GB Corsair Vengeance 3000 |
Video Card(s) | MSI VENTUS OC 2060 Super |
Storage | 120GB PNY SATA + 1TB WD Blue M.2 |
Display(s) | Samsung CRG5 144hz QD |
Case | CiT cheap chassis |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Audigy FX |
Power Supply | Superflower Leadex III Gold 650w |
Mouse | Razer Basilisk |
Keyboard | Red Dragon Kumara |
Software | Win 10 |
Objectively, Ryzen is much more a kickass product because it reigns in more money for the company and gives consumers something great at a lower cost.No upgrade options for 9900k, a kickass product. No need to really. With ZeN you had to upgrade every year. Just because there was a new model of bates 4000. And thats somehow a plus. Laughable. They couldn't make it right the first time kept improving it. And in the end CCX latency, memory controller is a separate chip. Far from finished. Bates 5000 is just around the corner. Motherboard makers will push for new socket every year. Just refuse to release new bios and force your wallets.
Damn... why even bother? It's 75w more for the same number of cores versus 3900x. AMD gives you 4 more cores for 44 more watts. Godamn!
What a weird comment. As if upgrade options were drawback.. nice way to spin it when Intel stops innovating. Good one.No need to really.