Help me fix slow and unreliable POST on Asus Prime X470-pro with Ballistix LT sport 3200

[Maxson]

This standard behaviour for Ryzen 3000 feels like a downgrade from my 10 year old PC. I had high hopes for for fast booting with UEFI.

 

[CubanB]

These are the little things that people don't talk about often with AMD vs Intel. It's benchmarks or price, but not the little intangible things that contribute to a good or bad experience overall. I understand if there's a post delay but I don't understand why the fans need to spin so loudly and why there couldn't be a provisional that makes them spin at 50% during this process instead of 100%.

Either way, I've found this thread very helpful.. I must say, I'm new here but this forum is a great resource. Sorry that I can't help the OP anymore than that, as I'm new to Ryzen.

 

[Caring1]

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Either way, I've found this thread very helpful.. I must say, I'm new here but this forum is a great resource. Sorry that I can't help the OP anymore than that, as I'm new to Ryzen.

Welcome.

 

[CubanB]

Cheers. Is that Sunshine Coast QLD? If so, we live a few hours away.

 

[Caring1]

Cheers. Is that Sunshine Coast QLD? If so, we live a few hours away.

Sure is.

 

[Maxson]

So I ordered some 3600 CL14 Samsung b-die RAM and it's arrived and installed. I got this one: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-001-8p.html

This is what Thaiphoon shows:

I enabled DOCP and this is what CPUZ shows, not sure why tRC is so high.



Unfortunately it failed to boot from cold the next time until I pressed the reset button. What's the next thing to try? According to 1usmus guide I should tune proc ODT and RTT next. Most people suggest upping the SOC voltage as one of the first things to do.

 

[tabascosauz]

@Maxson

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There shouldn't really be a need for SoC over 1.1 on Ryzen 3000. Safe SoC voltage is different than it used to be on Summit and Pinnacle, so don't follow those old recommendations from 2018 reddit threads.

Use this program called ZenTimings (simple program found on Github) to easily check all your current timings in Windows:

Releases · irusanov/ZenTimings

Contribute to irusanov/ZenTimings development by creating an account on GitHub.

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[sneekypeet]

Personally, looking at this thread, I have to say your issue is not with the RAM. To have both kits giving you issues with DOCP enabled tells me it is not the RAM.

I use a 3600X with a Crosshar Hero Wi-Fi, and I have yet to have a sampled set of DDR4 fail to run on DOCP settings, no matter when they were made, no matter the ICs. (I should specify that the previous comment applies to two-stick kits, I have had 4 stick kits not make the rated speed due to density)
My guess would be a crap IMC on that 3600 CPU, or you have some sort of BIOS/motherboard issues going on. You really should not have to go through all of this to get it to run.

 

[Maxson]

@Maxson

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There shouldn't really be a need for SoC over 1.1 on Ryzen 3000. Safe SoC voltage is different than it used to be on Summit and Pinnacle, so don't follow those old recommendations from 2018 reddit threads.

Use this program called ZenTimings (simple program found on Github) to easily check all your current timings in Windows:

Releases · irusanov/ZenTimings

Contribute to irusanov/ZenTimings development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

I'll have a look at zentimings in the morning, thanks. I'm going to clear CMOS as well before trying anything else.

 

[Assimilator]

Personally, looking at this thread, I have to say your issue is not with the RAM. To have both kits giving you issues with DOCP enabled tells me it is not the RAM.

I use a 3600X with a Crosshar Hero Wi-Fi, and I have yet to have a sampled set of DDR4 fail to run on DOCP settings, no matter when they were made, no matter the ICs. (I should specify that the previous comment applies to two-stick kits, I have had 4 stick kits not make the rated speed due to density)
My guess would be a crap IMC on that 3600 CPU, or you have some sort of BIOS/motherboard issues going on. You really should not have to go through all of this to get it to run.

This standard behaviour for Ryzen 3000 feels like a downgrade from my 10 year old PC. I had high hopes for for fast booting with UEFI.

I agree with peet, what you are experiencing is NOT NORMAL - as I've said before, my Crosshair VI Hero + 3600X + Ballistix 2x 16GB boots quietly and quickly.

Found this random thread where a person with the same board and issue was sorted via a CMOS clear: https://forums.tweaktown.com/asus/66618-asus-prime-470-pro-post-windows-boot-time.html - you've already said you're going to clear CMOS so let us know if it helps. If not, I'd suggest contacting Asus directly.

 

[Maxson]

Personally, looking at this thread, I have to say your issue is not with the RAM. To have both kits giving you issues with DOCP enabled tells me it is not the RAM.

I use a 3600X with a Crosshar Hero Wi-Fi, and I have yet to have a sampled set of DDR4 fail to run on DOCP settings, no matter when they were made, no matter the ICs. (I should specify that the previous comment applies to two-stick kits, I have had 4 stick kits not make the rated speed due to density)
My guess would be a crap IMC on that 3600 CPU, or you have some sort of BIOS/motherboard issues going on. You really should not have to go through all of this to get it to run.

Maybe it's because your CPU and motherboard are better than mine. In another forum it's been suggested that flashing to an older BIOS with AGESA 1.0.0.3 ab might fix this issue. I think I'd prefer to wait for a new BIOS to come out than use an old one.

I agree with peet, what you are experiencing is NOT NORMAL - as I've said before, my Crosshair VI Hero + 3600X + Ballistix 2x 16GB boots quietly and quickly.

Found this random thread where a person with the same board and issue was sorted via a CMOS clear: https://forums.tweaktown.com/asus/66618-asus-prime-470-pro-post-windows-boot-time.html - you've already said you're going to clear CMOS so let us know if it helps. If not, I'd suggest contacting Asus directly.

I shouldn't have to do all this and it seems my motherboard is doing something wrong but if I can tweak a couple of settings and get it nearer where I want to be then it doesn't matter if my experience is normal. Maybe it's because my motherboard choice is unusual but I had my reasons, features I wanted to have and not wanting an X570 with the fan though I've since found out that the fan on X570 doesn't normally come on during day to day use.

On the other hand there are people reporting the same issues with an X570 chipset in this thread.

I've done a full CMOS clear by removing the battery. Without changing any memory settings in the BIOS so it's running at 2400 I've had my first fast boot from cold so that's progress although I don't want to run my at 2400. The next boot from cold I had 4 seconds of the loud GPU period. From there I've enabled DOCP to get the memory running at XMP speed and the next cold boot wasn't fast but not the slowest. I'll see how it goes with the next few power cycles.

 

[Deleted member 193792]

I have the exact same issues. Ryzen 3600/X470 with 64GB RAM (4 DIMMs, Hynix CJR, DR) @ 3600 MHz CL16. 14 sec POST time (only with CSM, pure UEFI is longer <-- go figure!). Windows 10 booting with NVMe isn't particularly fast either (could be the GPU driver stalling or Razer bloatware, dunno).

Sometimes it fails POST, sometimes it doesn't. I've tried literally everything. MemTest doesn't give me any errors during stress test.

What's funny is that whenever if fails POSTing and goes back to JEDEC 2133 MHz, I just enter the BIOS, re-select the OC profile and it boots just fine!

TBH, I don't mind the GPU noise, I consider it as an acoustic feedback for DRAM training failures. I just wish POST never failed again! It happens once in every 5-10 reboots or something. Sometimes during cold boot as well.

I know using 4 sticks really pushes the IMC, but this intermittent POST failure is very weird and some people argue it didn't happen with ABBA 1.0.0.3 (I've only tried 1.0.0.4 and afterwards).

Regarding 1usmus DRAM calculator, I don't know what to say anymore. I've tried to contact Yuri myself and I got a recommendation (not all values) which is very different from v1.7.0-1.7.3 (yes, I've tried all versions) recommendations.

This guy here has a similar setup, but with a different CPU:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/dh30dw
Does anyone know if the I/O die is of different binning quality depending on the model (i.e. 3600 vs 3900X)? I know chiplets are binned, not sure about the I/O die.

 

[CubanB]

I don't think AMD have ever officially commented on it, but from reading AMD reddit in the last 12 months, I get the impression... that yes they are. There's always a bit of silicon lottery about it, but it has seemed that you're more likely to a get a high performing IMC with the more expensive CPUs. I'm not sure if there is a way to prove it definatively though. And if this is true, it's not a huge difference between the best and worst. The XT refresh series is said to have increased IMC/IF capability as well but that could just be rumor. As these are yet to be officially confirmed or announced.

 

[CiroConsentino]

I just upgraded from a 2nd gen Intel 2600 to a Ryzen 7 3700X, ASUS TUF Gaming B550-Plus motherboard, 16GB (2x8GB) Crucial Ballistix SportLT 3200MHz CL16-18-18-36 (model BL2K8G32C16U4R). I already have a RTX 2080 and I'm really worried/scared by the 3 to 4 seconds GPU "turbine" fan noise I'm worried this will damage my very expensive video card. I've been an Intel CPU user for the last 25 years, this is my first AMD CPU, and it was not cheap (damn pandemic!). The POST on this system is slower even compared to my 9 years old Intel 2nd gen rig
CPU-Z reports my RAM to be a DDR-4 2666MHz and not 3200MHz...

When in Windows and heavy gaming, GPU fan is super quiet, only at boot/reboot the GPU fan goes nuts... and I reboot Windows quite a lot, specially after exiting a game (don't trust Windows memory management).

 

[Assimilator]

I already have a RTX 2080 and I'm really worried/scared by the 3 to 4 seconds GPU "turbine" fan noise I'm worried this will damage my very expensive video card.

What rational reason would cause you to believe the card would be damaged by functioning normally?

CPU-Z reports my RAM to be a DDR-4 2666MHz and not 3200MHz...

You haven't enabled XMP in the BIOS.

I reboot Windows quite a lot, specially after exiting a game (don't trust Windows memory management).

That's dumb. Stop doing that.

 

[CiroConsentino]

What rational reason would cause you to believe the card would be damaged by functioning normally?

I've been playing games with this card for almost 2 years and never seen the FANs spin at full speed like that. It got me really worried. This card is quiet and it runs cool even at full load.

That's dumb. Stop doing that.

I've been playing in Windows 7. Started playing games with Windows 10 after the 2004 update. Win10 feels a lot more stable after the May update. Now I can start using Win10 as my main OS... finally!

 

[CiroConsentino]

Huh, only one of the 3 FANs spin like a jet turbine, the other two FANs spin normally, as they did with my old 2nd gen Core I7 2600.

 

[Maxson]

A new BIOS came out for my motherboard with the latest AGESA 1006 and it's definitely better. I enabled DOCP and it's booting reliably. I'm still having the GPU fan spinning fast for a few seconds at POST but I'm becoming resigned to putting up with that until the next CPU and motherboard.

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[CiroConsentino]

I'm not upgrading the BIOS on my ASUS B550 new board, it's being said to cause more problems than anything else. uh-uh... no sir!

 

[Maxson]

I'm not upgrading the BIOS on my ASUS B550 new board, it's being said to cause more problems than anything else. uh-uh... no sir!

Yeah sometimes a new BIOS is not better.