Intel 10700K system - need advice

[sepheronx]

I think you don't know what next gen means. Neither of those titles are PS5 or Xbox Series X.

Let's wait and see. Barely anything takes full advantage of 8/16 let alone 6/12 now. That will change next year.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I think you've been had by fake news spreading machine.
a 8/16 ryzen 30000 at 3.5-3.9G in a console won't do a better job next year if it already can't beat fast 6/12 on PC in games that easily scale past 16 threads like Odyssey.It won't magically gain performance if it lacks it already.

 

[sepheronx]

I think you've been had by fake news spreading machine.
a 8/16 ryzen 30000 at 3.5-3.9G in a console won't do a better job next year if it already can't beat fast 6/12 on PC in games that easily scale past 16 threads like Odyssey.It won't magically gain performance if it lacks it already.

You can believe what you want but time will tell.

Reason why now they don't scale as well is because these multiplatform games were designed more focused towards console gaming (since it's obvious that's were the money is) and PC secondary. That will never change. It will just mean multiplatform games are going to get a lot more demanding in the future.

First thing to check with these test is - how much was the CPU utilized?

Anyway, I appreciate your previous help. I think we can move on from this as I don't think it's necessary for this conversation.

 

[ratirt]

100% untrue,spread by fake news YT channels like MLID or AdurrrrrdTV,backed by 0 evidence

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Keep in mind that the consoles XBox and PS5 will go 4k so this 1080p FPS doesn't make much sense. If you will be able to stream while playing (sure you will be able to) so core will matter more so I assume you are not 100% right here. Plus you picked certain games that have an advantage but there are games that benefit more from cores.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Keep in mind that the consoles XBox and PS5 will go 4k so this 1080p FPS doesn't make much sense. If you will be able to stream while playing (sure you will be able to) so core will matter more so I assume you are not 100% right here. Plus you picked certain games that have an advantage but there's games that benefit more from cores.

please point me to a game that benefits from more cores in any greater measure than odyssey or sotr.
and how is 1080p not making sense in pure CPU testing but 4k does ?
you're the guy who believes consoles will somehow outperform their pc conterparts,right ?

 

[Assimilator]

BTW @sepheronx , I revised and updated my original post with some more info.

I would not go for 3700X as it seems to be EOL and getting expensive (including shipping, it actually costs more than the 3800X on amazon.ca).

The 10700 (non-K/non-F) would probably be a better fit for your friend if he isn't going to OC. At $520 it's a whole $60 cheaper than the 10700K - that's almost enough to step him up to a 1TB Gammix SSD instead of the 512GB model, which I would strongly suggest for system longevity. For example, if you went with the H-series board I previously mentioned - or, the ASUS Prime Z490-P is $15 cheaper than the MSI board you've currently selected.

@cucker tarlson seems OP has decided on 8c/16t so no point in trying to change his mind, getting into console vs PC fights here is not helping him. And an 8c/16t CPU will surely age better than a 6c/12t one, which is important for someone like OP's friend who (it sounds like) doesn't upgrade frequently.

 

[cucker tarlson]

10700F is a very good choice,fast and cool for gaming.a bit expensive tho.
would get 10600kf for myself and sacrifice the temperatures.

@cucker tarlson seems OP has decided on 8c/16t so no point in trying to change his mind, getting into console vs PC fights here is not helping him.

absolutely.
I just point out there's no proof of 8/16 smashing 6/12 because of consoles if it's not happening already on pc games that do use 16/20 threads.
and to my mind when current 6/12 becomes irrelevant,then 8/16 won't be much better either.

 

[ratirt]

please point me to a game that benefits from more cores in any greater measure than odyssey or sotr.
and how is 1080p not making sense in pure CPU testing but 4k does ?
you're the guy who believes consoles will somehow outperform their pc conterparts,right ?

you can look here. Btw please search yourself instead of quoting posts from 3 years ago.
It is not just gaming but also streaming for instance. So yeah more cores will be required.
How is 1080p making sense and not 720p o lower? If you want to be a cave man playing 720p or 1080p please be my quest but maybe lets move forward?
I'm the guy who disagrees with what you said about cores playing role in gaming.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Btw please search yourself instead of quoting posts from 3 years ago.

what ?
and that video is all ryzen cores,so who cares since it's an intel cpu thread. compare 6/12 8700k and it still outperforms 3700x in the games you see in the video so how relevant is the video really ?
and when was streaming ever mentioned by the OP ?
do you ever sit one out or are you gonna mention 16 thread consoles in every thread you see ?

 

[ratirt]

what ?

Right. my apologies.

Btw please search yourself instead of quoting bringing up posts from 3 years ago. cores don't matter.

and that video is all ryzen cores,so who cares since it's an intel cpu thread. compare 6/12 8700k and it still outperforms 3700x in the games you see in the video so how relevant is the video really ?

Sure it is, but it does matter doesn't it?

do you ever sit one out or are you gonna mention 16 thread consoles in every thread you see ?

That's for me to decide doesn't it?
The OP didn't mention games you have posted graphs of to prove your point and yet you posted these anyway.

Cores matter and you are wrong. Sorry.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Right. my apologies.


Sure it is, but it does matter doesn't it?

That's for me to decide doesn't it?
The OP didn't mention games you have posted graph of to prove your point and yet you posted these anyway.

Cores matter and you are wrong. Sorry.

of cores they do and I never said they don't. but you don't get the concept of scaling and diminishing returns at all and insist on comparing intel to amd in 1:1 ratio which is plain wrong as proved in every friggin review there has ever been on the internet.

 

[sepheronx]

Thanks guys, I appreciate it


So a none K/F is ideal? I haven't seen them for sale here, I'll give it a check. Saving money is ideal since I told him to wait out till next year (so save what he's got) till the new gpus release and upgrade to those. So the more money saved, the more he will be able to spend on a better GPU which we all agree is the most important part for PC gaming

I don't mind the suggestions and I appreciate when debate arrives about why 6/12 may be sufficient as I know you are trying to help me save. It's just I'm trying to future proof it as best I can too.

All suggestions are good and as long as people are civil, im all ears.

 

[cucker tarlson]

futureproofing is a myth to a large extent.
you've got an intel 10/20 outperforming 8/16 by a little which in turn outperforms 6/12 by a little which in turn outperforms amd's 8/16 by a little which outperforms intel's 6c/6t by a little and then intel's 6c/6t outperforms amd's 4/8 by a little.
No 6/12 cpu is gonna fall off a cliff next year,or the year after that and after that.

So a none K/F is ideal? I haven't seen them for sale here, I'll give it a check. Saving money is ideal since I told him to wait out till next year (so save what he's got) till the new gpus release and upgrade to those. So the more money saved, the more he will be able to spend on a better GPU which we all agree is the most important part for PC gaming

10600kf OC can drive a 2080Ti just as fine as 9900K/109000K stock even in most cpu bound tests out there.No need to make any more confusion.
10700F is a nicer cpu though,both for all round use and for gaming.It's hittting frequencies just shy of K-skus and should stay cool in gaming as it's an 8/16,it's gonna have to deal with a lower cpu load in gaming.

 

[sepheronx]

I do know that future proofing kinda doesn't exist but it also kinda does. The core count did matter a bit and I wager did better for me in example my W3680 xeon over my 4770. Hence why I switched to my Dell T3500 for long run. And that cpu is old 10 years I think.

So I hope that at least the 10700F will do him fine for at least 6 years minimum. Maybe I'll be wrong but hopefully not.

So I'm gonna go with @Assimilator idea of getting the non KF/K and utilizing that money towards a bigger NVME. I'll check out your (@cucker tarlson ) on that NVME as example.

 

[cucker tarlson]

games are getting bigger and more complex in size and geometry,I say they'll both be slouches in 4-5 years time,no matter if it's 6/12 at 5G or 8/16 at 4.5.
it'll just not happen overnight,it'll happen gradually.
people quote 4 threads vs 6/8 but the results we have suggest that the transition in the future will be far smoother than that.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Although I personally would't buy and i5 I doubt a 12 thread cpu will give you issues through the entirety of the next gen console lifespan unless your buddy wants to live stream.... Also the difference between intel and amd for gaming is almost 0 at 1440p with a 2080 ti and imperceptible in most games at 1080p except in Farcry or if you absolutely love to game with a high end gpu at medium settings while looking at a rivatuner overlay.

Maybe if your buddy plans to grab a 1200+ ampere gpu that will change.... I plan on getting one so I guess I will also get to see.

The 10700k is a nice cpu if a bit boring and a good middle ground between the i5 and the i9 Also with the Tuf and Tomahawk being pretty damn good I wouldn't spend more than that on a board unless your buddy plans on going i9 in the future.




I'd personally bet on my 3900X outliving my 9900k but I'd love to be wrong. I don't typically keep systems beyond 3 years but I still should have at least 1 of each to mess around with 4-5 years from now.

 

[cucker tarlson]

3900x won't even outlive a 3700x the way Ryzens work in games by using best cores within a CCX and letting others sit at low loads.The tiny differences between R5/7/9 you see are mostly cause each Ryzen sku is just a better bin.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I have a 3900X it matches my 9900k in pretty much every game I play... and beats my 3700X in some...

 

[cucker tarlson]

yes,you did mention you're gpu bound.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

with a 2080 ti yeah cuz two doesn't really make sense.... Spending 2400+ to make one of my cpu look better than the other is sorta senseless.....

 

[thesmokingman]

I think you don't know what next gen means. Neither of those titles are PS5 or Xbox Series X.

Let's wait and see. Barely anything takes full advantage of 8/16 let alone 6/12 now. That will change next year.

If your screen resolution is higher than 1080p, your cpu won't matter as much regardless of the opinionated responses you get.

 

[cucker tarlson]

If your screen resolution is higher than 1080p, your cpu won't matter as much regardless of the opinionated responses you get.

you'd have to consider games on one by one basis for that not just go by averages
but fps gains are usually very incremental these days,you'll not lose a world of performance coming from 10900K to 3300x

 

[repman244]

futureproofing is a myth to a large extent.

SB-e want's a word with you. While the 2600k became slow for anything multithreaded, the 6 core and 8 core parts on socket 2011 just keep going due to better multithread support.

 

[cucker tarlson]

SB-e want's a word with you. While the 2600k became slow for anything multithreaded, the 6 core and 8 core parts on socket 2011 just keep going due to better multithread support.

read my posts till the end please.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

SB-e want's a word with you. While the 2600k became slow for anything multithreaded, the 6 core and 8 core parts on socket 2011 just keep going due to better multithread support.

I don't know my 5820k was struggling in a lot of modern games before I replaced it... not so much with avg frame rates but with 1% low performance.

of course you need to actually own a gpu fast enough for that to matter....