Intel 10700K system - need advice

[oxrufiioxo]

Our TPU review on the 10700 is just out. Stock, the load tenperatures are unreal, it's like a fridge. Without power limits, it ends up between the 3700X and 3900X.

Intel doesnt regulate itself on temps like Ryzen, so even 76C will be fine. The review is done on a U12S, so within spitting distance of a 212 EVO.

Besides, you'll be shelling out $130 CAD guaranteed for the big boys like the U12A, D15 and DRP4.

The review is done on an open test bench in a likely 20C room not a hotbox case like a h510

 

[sepheronx]

The review is done on an open test bench in a likely 20C room not a hotbox case like a h510

Ah, I see you didn't read the thread.

I said the case is a placeholder, as it isn't listed on pcpartpicker. Here is the case he will be getting:

InWin C200 ATX Mid Tower Case - Black - Standard Cases - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

 

[oxrufiioxo]

honestly that looks worse Temps wise. Front intake looks terrible.

 

[tabascosauz]

The review is done on an open test bench in a likely 20C room not a hotbox case like a h510

These aren't C7s and L9x65. They don't suffer 25C moving from a bench to a case.

As I said, the cooler prices are straight up asking for our kidneys here. Intended user is not the kind to mess with OCing, and we already know stock thermals are frigid.

 

[sepheronx]

honestly that looks worse Temps wise. Front intake looks terrible.

No it isn't. I have this same case actually. Temps seem to be quite fine. Please, I would like you to refrain from assuming things. Let us stick to just facts.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

These aren't C7s and L9x65. They don't suffer 25C moving from a bench to a case.

As I said, the cooler prices are straight up asking for our kidneys here. Intended user is not the kind to mess with OCing, and we already know stock thermals are frigid.

after checking pricing I agree hurts my brain what you guys have to spend on tech..... Not sure I would even be able to afford my pc if I lived in Canada and I make a pretty decent wage here in the states lol.

No it isn't. I have this same case actually. Temps seem to be quite fine. Please, I would like you to refrain from assuming things. Let us stick to just facts.

sorry man wasn't trying to bash the case was just an assumption based on how it looks. If you already have the case and feel the performance is decent then you should be fine with the lesser cooler worst case scenario you will have to enable the power limits.

 

[sepheronx]

after checking pricing I agree hurts my brain what you guys have to spend on tech..... Not sure I would even be able to afford my pc if I lived in Canada and I make a pretty decent wage here in the states lol.

While average Canadian makes good money, we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. At least about 60% of Canadians do (myself included). My friend is in same position and so he is trying to go with the least amount hence he may just go with the Ryzen setup instead to save money. Even if its lets say $100 he saves.

No worries about the case. I just never liked people assuming things. The case cooling is sufficient especially for what he will be going for. He is coming from an Alienware Aurora R5 and I had to spend time trying to fix that ones cooling even though it used a stock intel heatsink. So this case is leaps and bounds better. Plus it has all the expansions he needs. I found the airflow adequate. The best one I used was a NR400 case in terms of airflow but he is like me - hates RGB and windows on cases.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

While average Canadian makes good money, we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. At least about 60% of Canadians do (myself included). My friend is in same position and so he is trying to go with the least amount hence he may just go with the Ryzen setup instead to save money. Even if its lets say $100 he saves.

Yeah its a tough choice.... I really like both my Ryzen and intel system and if I could only keep one it would be the 3900X but you guys are in a different boat its an 8 core vs an 8 core.....

I would probably lean towards the 10700 as well as long as I could use it with power limits disabled and pair it with a decent mobo.

 

[tabascosauz]

While average Canadian makes good money, we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. At least about 60% of Canadians do (myself included). My friend is in same position and so he is trying to go with the least amount hence he may just go with the Ryzen setup instead to save money. Even if its lets say $100 he saves.

Intel CPUs have also been really expensive for 3 generations. The TPU review suggests that the 10700 can't beat the 3700X without taking off the power limits. AFAIK the 10700 is quite a bit more expensive than the 3700X. I remember having to pick between the 3700X and 9700, the choice was damn obvious.

Meanwhile, Matisse pricing has been relatively consistent since last July. From an economical perspective, it may make more sense to go with Ryzen to save a buck.

That is, if you can find boards, though. Ryzen boards are bizzarely few and far between right now. This may change with B550.

 

[sepheronx]

Yeah its a tough choice.... I really like both my Ryzen and intel system and if I could only keep one it would be the 3900X but you guys are in a different boat its an 8 core vs an 8 core.....

I would probably lean towards the 10700 as well as long as I could use it with power limits disabled and pair it with a decent mobo.

I heard good things about the MSI motherboards for Intel (AMD did have good ones for B450 but not x570) and they seem to be the only ones in decent price range that has USB-C header on the motherboard for front I/O.

Intel CPUs have also been really expensive for 3 generations. The TPU review suggests that the 10700 can't beat the 3700X without taking off the power limits. AFAIK the 10700 is quite a bit more expensive than the 3700X. I remember having to pick between the 3700X and 9700, the choice was damn obvious.

Meanwhile, Matisse pricing has been relatively consistent since last July. From an economical perspective, it may make more sense to go with Ryzen to save a buck.

That is, if you can find boards, though. Ryzen boards are bizzarely few and far between right now. This may change with B550.

I can get a Gigabyte x570 board for about same price ($240) but it doesn't have that darn USB-C which he wants. So I may tell him to get a USB-C extension card later on. Otherwise, the Gigabyte board does have a 10+2 VRM I believe which is more than enough.

I was aiming at the ASUS TUF x570 Gaming Plus but that has been out of stock for now over two months here.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I heard good things about the MSI motherboards for Intel (AMD did have good ones for B450 but not x570) and they seem to be the only ones in decent price range that has USB-C header on the motherboard for front I/O.

I'm worried about what mosfets they used on their budget boards also the 270 cad boards are 6 layer pcb vs 4 layers so memory support is likely quite a bit worse not sure how much that matters to your buddy but it would bother me.

 

[sepheronx]

I'm worried about what mosfets they used on their budget boards also the 270 cad boards are 6 layer pcb vs 4 layers so memory support is likely quite a bit worse not sure how much that matters to your buddy but it would bother me.

He will just stick with the Gskill Ripjaws. Those seem to work in everything. Judging by performance differences, there really isnt much to gain going with the more expensive RAM anyway.

 

[tabascosauz]

I can get a Gigabyte x570 board for about same price ($240) but it doesn't have that darn USB-C which he wants. So I may tell him to get a USB-C extension card later on. Otherwise, the Gigabyte board does have a 10+2 VRM I believe which is more than enough.

That seems to be a good way to go; these aren't ITX boards after all...

Does he just need the C port, or does he specifically need the 10Gbps speeds of 3.2Gen2?

 

[sepheronx]

That seems to be a good way to go; these aren't ITX boards after all...

Does he just need the C port, or does he specifically need the 10Gbps speeds of 3.2Gen2?

He wants, not needs.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

it's unfortunate that the Aorus Elite is 310 Cad its a really really good board.


What about this?

ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS LGA 1200 ATX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS LGA 1200 Intel Z490 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.ca

 

[tabascosauz]

He wants, not needs.

That's a tricky one. I have 10Gbps out of my 2060S' Virtualink, and 40Gbps out of my XPS and Thunderbolt dock. Out of countless different C devices I plug into my stuff, the sole item that actually benefits from speeds beyond 3.0 is my external NVMe housing a PM981. And even then, only when I'm moving my entire Dropbox or movies folder, which is like 2% of the time.

Given how poor motherboard choice is for us up here, he's going to have to think long and hard as to whether he makes enough intensive file transfers to make it worth it.

 

[sepheronx]

it's unfortunate that the Aorus Elite is 310 Cad its a really really good board.


What about this?

ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS LGA 1200 ATX Intel Motherboard - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS LGA 1200 Intel Z490 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.ca

that one isnt bad at all. But its Newegg Canada. I ordered from them in the past and it sucked. Plus it isn't free shipping so it ends up more expensive after taxes and what not. But I will put that into consideration. But he will also end up having to get a USB-C card in order to use the front i/o so add that to the overall cost too. Which begs the question, why bother spending all of that when I can get a decent board that has all of that and just works when I get it all installed?

You see, I have been building machines since Socket A days. And from my memory, back then the difference in motherboards was the North Bridge chipset. As time has gone on, and the removal of that, then it really boiled down to quality of onboard components. Now I would presume that MSI and the rest will be using semi decent quality components on their boards, and he doesn't need special RGB nonsense, and he isn't fiddling around in the bios (and anyway, I have enough experience in MSI bios as lousy as it is). So the question is - is it really necessary to spend more for a board when the other board will do the same, and overall be cheaper?

That's a tricky one. I have 10Gbps out of my 2060S' Virtualink, and 40Gbps out of my XPS and Thunderbolt dock. Out of countless different C devices I plug into my stuff, the sole item that actually benefits from speeds beyond 3.0 is my external NVMe housing a PM981. And even then, only when I'm moving my entire Dropbox or movies folder, which is like 2% of the time.

Given how poor motherboard choice is for us up here, he's going to have to think long and hard as to whether he makes enough intensive file transfers to make it worth it.

I'll throw it by him. He trusts me since I been helping him with his PC stuff for over a decade now. I just dont want to screw him where he ends up having to keep spending and spending.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

that one isnt bad at all. But its Newegg Canada. I ordered from them in the past and it sucked. Plus it isn't free shipping so it ends up more expensive after taxes and what not. But I will put that into consideration. But he will also end up having to get a USB-C card in order to use the front i/o so add that to the overall cost too. Which begs the question, why bother spending all of that when I can get a decent board that has all of that and just works when I get it all installed?

You see, I have been building machines since Socket A days. And from my memory, back then the difference in motherboards was the North Bridge chipset. As time has gone on, and the removal of that, then it really boiled down to quality of onboard components. Now I would presume that MSI and the rest will be using semi decent quality components on their boards, and he doesn't need special RGB nonsense, and he isn't fiddling around in the bios (and anyway, I have enough experience in MSI bios as lousy as it is). So the question is - is it really necessary to spend more for a board when the other board will do the same, and overall be cheaper?



I'll throw it by him. He trusts me since I been helping him with his PC stuff for over a decade now. I just dont want to screw him where he ends up having to keep spending and spending.

isn't this what you're looking for?





As far as if its worth it the asus board definitely has a better vrm a 6 layer pcb a toslink audio output better bios imho..... The asus board also has intel lan which I prefer over realtek

 

[sepheronx]

nice, i didnt see that. I kept looking on the sides and not towards the middle. Thanks.

BTW, that PCB on the MSI board I posted is also 6 layers. But the ASUS will have a better VRM, I agree.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

BTW, that PCB on the MSI board I posted is also 6 layers. But the ASUS will have a better VRM, I agree.

On the boards data sheet it doesn't specify pcb layers and every board in its price range is 4 layers.

 

[sepheronx]

On the boards data sheet it doesn't specify pcb layers and every board in its price range is 4 layers.

well, according to the MSI website:

Z490-A PRO

Inspired from architectural design with the extended heatsink for having better thermal solution; high speed USB 3.2 Gen 2 solution, Core Boost, DDR4 Boost, 2.5Gbps LAN, Twin Turbo M.2 and M.2 Shield Frozr

www.msi.com

 

[oxrufiioxo]

well, according to the MSI website:

Z490-A PRO

Inspired from architectural design with the extended heatsink for having better thermal solution; high speed USB 3.2 Gen 2 solution, Core Boost, DDR4 Boost, 2.5Gbps LAN, Twin Turbo M.2 and M.2 Shield Frozr

www.msi.com

Thats good at least they only cheaped out on the VRM to be fair it still looks quite a bit better than the terrible X570 version

 

[Assimilator]

He will need a USB-C header port

Wish you'd specified that up-front, along with the 8 cores and no AIO. It kinda pisses me off when I go and spend time trawling through websites trying to find things to help someone, then they come back and say "ah no that won't work because of <constraint they didn't mention up-front>". Because the result is their time is wasted because they had to read through my now-useless recommendations, and my time is wasted because I did the research to make said useless recommendations.

Sorry if that comes across as harsh, but in future, please just keep in mind that maximum detail is best for everyone.

 

[sepheronx]

Wish you'd specified that up-front, along with the 8 cores and no AIO. It kinda pisses me off when I go and spend time trawling through websites trying to find things to help someone, then they come back and say "ah no that won't work because of <constraint they didn't mention up-front>". Because the result is their time is wasted because they had to read through my now-useless recommendations, and my time is wasted because I did the research to make said useless recommendations.

Sorry if that comes across as harsh, but in future, please just keep in mind that maximum detail is best for everyone.

I believe I did a few times mention it earlier.

But I'll keep that in mind in future. Don't forget, this info also gets dumped on me as time goes on.

And none of your recommendations were useless. You did give good advice and it was still suitable to the build so don't feel like you wasted time.

It's not like the USB C is be all end all. It can be mitigated with a card. I trust your guys opinions on this since many of you are long timers as well. So cheer up!

As a note: I appreciate everyone's efforts in helping me build the best at the best price. The advice is well recieved and I also get better insight like @cucker tarlson view on 6/12 vs 8/16 and @Assimilator and @oxrufiioxo on motherboard choices. I apologize if I wasn't clear in the demands. But because of you guys I managed to get prices down a bit and get a better overall build selected. My friend is OK with a USB C card. And also @tabascosauz for his advice too.

 

[cucker tarlson]

tbh 6 cores weren't mentioned strictly as an option for the build but rather to prove that saying 8c will be required in PCs cause of next gen consoles is just bogus.
and why isn't the OP allowed to change his mind during,i.e. about the AiO ? Isn't advice exactly what he came here for ?