Microsoft Fall 2020 Windows 10 Update will Make the New Edge Browser the Default Option

[Chrispy_]

You want a class-action lawsuit for that? I get that you're pissed off about it, but I don't think it would qualify for a lawsuit.

I was being sarcastic. Microsoft's legal team likely has ironclad guarantees that this won't trigger another antitrust lawsuit.

Let's face it, the previous snafu cost Microsoft $794M + $449M + $1.44B so far. I would expect they've put one or two lawyers on it by this point.

 

[midnightoil]

I was being sarcastic. Microsoft's legal team likely has ironclad guarantees that this won't trigger another antitrust lawsuit.

Let's face it, the previous snafu cost Microsoft $794M + $449M + $1.44B so far. I would expect they've put one or two lawyers on it by this point.

That's peanuts. Compared with both their income, and with the (anti)competitive advantage it granted them.

The fines for this and other things should have been far, far higher. Ditto Intel's various 'co-marketing' ruses, and 'genuine Intel' stuff.

This latest move will likely be challenged, and probably cost them a fair amount of dough ... but again it's unlikely to get anywhere near the advantage gained.

 

[ARF]

Google are guilty for their own demise. If they optimised properly Chrome and didn't deliver a bloaty, unstable, laggy, slow and heavy browser, maybe their market share wouldn't begin to fall and user wouldn't turn to the much better Edge.

Microsoft is right to ship its Windows 10 with the best browser available there, instead of doing it with IE 11 or old Edge which are both not ok.

User who dislike this new policy, are always free to move to other OSes.

But even Android feels better with Edge rather than Chrome.

 

[windwhirl]

Google are guilty for their own demise. If they optimised properly Chrome and didn't deliver a bloaty, unstable, laggy, slow and heavy browser, maybe their market share wouldn't begin to fall and user wouldn't turn to the much better Edge.

I'm... not sure Google's demise is happening anytime soon. I don't think we'll be seeing any major changes in the browsers market share for a while, if any noteworthy change at all. It's been rather stable for a few years now with Chrome taking around 65% of the total market (phones, tablets, desktops, etc.) followed by Safari (mostly because of all the iPhones/iPads/etc.)

Microsoft is right to ship its Windows 10 with the best browser available there, instead of doing it with IE 11 or old Edge which are both not ok.

Honestly, I'm not thrilled about Microsoft's decision of ditching their own engine for Chromium, I'd rather have more competition instead of consolidating the web around one or two engines, but I understand they had a business reason for it. In any case, it's not a bad browser experience for most users.

Still, EdgeHTML will live on for some time.

User who dislike this new policy, are always free to move to other OSes.

Or use another browser, for that matter. No one is being forced to use Edge after all.

 

[evernessince]

This is disingenuous. Obviously you need to use it once to download another. Then, put it aside to never touch it again if you want. Duh.

Actually, your post is shooting itself on the foot. How do you suppose to download your favorite browser if they didn't ship any browser with the OS??

In europe, the user chooses which browser on install. This isn't rocket science.

 

[rtwjunkie]

This is disingenuous. Obviously you need to use it once to download another. Then, put it aside to never touch it again if you want. Duh.

Actually, your post is shooting itself on the foot. How do you suppose to download your favorite browser if they didn't ship any browser with the OS??

Not disingenuous. I always have all the programs I will install in a new install, or in an emergency need to reinstall, on an external and/or removable drive. This includes browsers I use. this way, anything I use that isn't supplied by Microsoft is available. it's even fine if it's a version or two behind, such as an old Firefox from 8 months ago, for instance. It will update itself, or prompt me to download a new version once installed.

 

[windwhirl]

Not disingenuous. I always have all the programs I will install in a new install, or in an emergency need to reinstall, on an external and/or removable drive. This includes browsers I use. this way, anything I use that isn't supplied by Microsoft is available. it's even fine if it's a version or two behind, such as an old Firefox from 8 months ago, for instance. It will update itself, or prompt me to download a new version once installed.

For some of us, it is no big deal. We tend to have backed up installers for most if not all software we use or may use. The issue happens when the normal user that just wants to turn on the computer and use it can't do so because of a missing piece of software that they can't get because they need the missing piece of software to get the missing piece of software.

Not everyone has their own software repository in a secondary drive or knows how to use the command line to get what they need.

Hell, some don't even know that Microsoft Office doesn't come with Microsoft Windows.

 

[rtwjunkie]

For some of us, it is no big deal. We tend to have backed up installers for most if not all software we use or may use. The issue happens when the normal user that just wants to turn on the computer and use it can't do so because of a missing piece of software that they can't get because they need the missing piece of software to get the missing piece of software.

Not everyone has their own software repository in a secondary drive or knows how to use the command line to get what they need.

Hell, some don't even know that Microsoft Office doesn't come with Microsoft Windows.

You make a fair point that makes sense. I still maintain though, that Frick's comment was not disingenuous.

 

[AsRock]

So i should trust MS and all the privacy's concerns ( with win10 ) and on top of that now the core Google chrome browser which i may add it's main business is advertising ?.

Yeah hell Fck No!.

Its about time Google lost it's immunity as seen as it want's to silence particular people.

 

[Zareek]

This is actually a GOOD thing... Chromium Edge is fantastic, standard Edge(the current default) is soooooooo BAD! They should have pushed this with the 1H20 update. I've been using Chromium Edge for about 6 months now just for the heck of tried it out switching from Firefox, Chrome before that and it has been fantastic. It's been so good, I haven't bothered to switch to anything else yet...

Edit: Let me clarify, I don't think an update should be able to change your default browser to Edge Chromium! I just feel that when you do a fresh Windows install having Edge Chromium as the default is way better than having old Edge as the default or IE(any flavor) for that matter.

 

[lemonadesoda]

I use Chromium and Chrome. MS had better not make my default browser, currently Chromium, become new EDGE. I do not want MS "fixing" or tinkering with my settings on auto updates. If they do fark my settings, I will come back here and bithc.

 

[windwhirl]

You make a fair point that makes sense. I still maintain though, that Frick's comment was not disingenuous.

Not disagreeing with that comment either. It's the main reason why I think Microsoft should ship a browser with Windows, if not to compete in the market, then to at least let the user download another browser.

So i should trust MS and all the privacy's concerns ( with win10 ) and on top of that now the core Google chrome browser which i may add it's main business is advertising ?.

Yeah hell Fck No!.

Its about time Google lost it's immunity as seen as it want's to silence particular people.

Use another browser, then.

I use Chromium and Chrome. MS had better not make my default browser, currently Chromium, become new EDGE. I do not want MS "fixing" or tinkering with my settings on auto updates. If they do fark my settings, I will come back here and bithc.

Edge as far as I know uses the %AppData%\Local\Microsoft\Edge SxS or %AppData%\Local\Microsoft\Edge folder. It shouldn't touch Chromium or Chrome's data.

 

[theGryphon]

Some people still think MS is evil and Google is not? Have you not realized that "do no evil" days are long past?
So much noise over OS shipping with a browser, it's incredible. At this day and age, the browser is a necessary utility and lack of it would be blasphemous, not including it. If you don't like that default, just install another. Nobody is pushing you to use it.
Complaining about "make default" suggestions? That's plain standard in browser world. Install any browser, it will ask to be default until you shut it down in settings. Plus, how about Google pushing its Chrome whenever I visit Google.com or Gmail.com??

You guys need to wake the hell up. There is no "good" company and MS is not the villain in this movie. They are all businesses.

A side note here: I've been using the new Edge since probably a month ago and I love it. Also switched to it in Android, where it works pretty much flawlessly with the best interface among mobile browsers IMO.

I am integrated to Office 365 and Onedrive due to work and I just realized you can now access (after the last update) Office 365 right from the start page of Edge. It's great for productivity.

 

[Nichotin]

This is going to cause so many problems with people's internet banking. A lot of banks in Asia especially, require IE, as they rely on ActiveX for people to log in. My bank did up until early this year...

Will IE11 be removed? I think the article itself is a bit confusing on that topic. Yes, the Chromium based Edge will replace the old Edge, but I don't really think that too much has been written to be EdgeHTML specific (so the part about legacy is not that valid for old Edge). AFAIK IE 11 will still live on (but it could use an official end date though...).

 

[TheLostSwede]

Will IE11 be removed? I think the article itself is a bit confusing on that topic. Yes, the Chromium based Edge will replace the old Edge, but I don't really think that too much has been written to be EdgeHTML specific (so the part about legacy is not that valid for old Edge). AFAIK IE 11 will still live on (but it could use an official end date though...).

I guess not, but it really shouldn't be used anyhow. You're right, Edge never worked with ActiveX

 

[voltage]

the fastest browser on the planet, been that way since December. also nice to see the update frequency. the google clan are worried, that's why you see bashing going on... Microsoft did a nice job with the chrome based edge, ill gladly keep using it.

 

[Totally]

That was when they had a huge marketshare in browsers. They've been shipping the EDGEHTML version for years now, nobody bothered.
Personally, I never understood why they got sued for shipping a browser with their OS. They don't get sued for shipping a calculator, or a notepad. It's a piece of software. You can go and download any other replacement for it.

Linux crowd not sure it was this group but it was a small but very vocal lets call them an Anti-Microsoft interest group in the Linux community who somehow got it into their heads that it was IE was popular and entrenched because it came standard in Windows, and not due to having an actual marketing budget. They got loud enough for EU to pick up on easy $$$ and the rest is history, and today the irony is that alternative browser have even less market share compared to then, now Chrome has a staggering 79% stranglehold(compared to IE's 42%, when the Sh*tf**kery was going on), and comes baked in Android and Chrome OS with just about every grievance claimed in the lawsuit checked off. Is terrible to boot, not IE terrible but in the same zip code.

 

[zlobby]

"A lot of legacy applications are relying on opening some of their stuff in the old browser"

I hate this so much.
I hate that once again Edge has forced its way onto all my systems without being asked.
I hate that once again, Edge has hijacked my links, added itself to my start menu, desktop, taskbar, and notification center without my consent.
I hate that once again, for the nth time, I have to confirm that I want to switch anyway and that no - I do not want to check out Edge even though it's "recommended for Windows 10" by a sinister organisation who does not have user interests at heart and just wants to track me and sell my usage habits and browsing preferences.

Where's the class action lawsuit? Sign me up!

Yeah, and just you try and install something else. You'd still need to click and accept many prompts, that you waive using the best browser there is.

PDF reader? How about no? FF and pretty much every modern browser can read PDF.

Why TF isn't Edge just an uninstallable module, disabled by default?

 

[windwhirl]

Yeah, and just you try and install something else. You'd still need to click and accept many prompts, that you waive using the best browser there is.

PDF reader? How about no? FF and pretty much every modern browser can read PDF.

Why TF isn't Edge just an uninstallable module, disabled by default?

UWP apps use EdgeHTML engine.

 

[AsRock]

Not disagreeing with that comment either. It's the main reason why I think Microsoft should ship a browser with Windows, if not to compete in the market, then to at least let the user download another browser.



Use another browser, then.


Edge as far as I know uses the %AppData%\Local\Microsoft\Edge SxS or %AppData%\Local\Microsoft\Edge folder. It shouldn't touch Chromium or Chrome's data.

And what of those who know no better ?, Personally Win10 should come with a bunch on 1st setup.

 

[Totally]

And what of those who know no better ?, Personally Win10 should come with a bunch on 1st setup.

Wouldn't they just go with the first option, since they don't know any better?

 

[hurakura]

People, this is for your own good. Microsoft always thinks what's best for the users and after hours of deliberation they have decided that this is the best for you.

 

[mab1376]

all security depts are scrambling to make sure its compatible and people aren't upgrading too quickly.

 

[windwhirl]

And what of those who know no better ?

Know no better about what? Potential privacy issues surrounding Windows and Chrome? I don't see why Microsoft should... initiate (for a lack of better term) people on privacy 101.

And frankly, I don't think a lot of people care. People have been willing to sacrifice things that could be considered sacred for reasons that others would think illogical or stupid.

My mother, for starters, would qualify in that group. She's careful about what she does with her devices in terms of security (no installing random crap, user account with limited privileges, no opening random email attachments, etc.), but I had a talk with her regarding privacy and after nearly 20 minutes into the conversation she pretty much told me that it was an acceptable trade-off for the convenience.

Wouldn't they just go with the first option, since they don't know any better?

Heh, and here I was about to make a whole damn speech, but you just had to come in with a simple yet super-effective reply lol

 

[R0H1T]

I run portable "installations" of most software, too bad MS doesn't allow that with Edge yet. Their market share could grow a lot if they did.

People have been willing to sacrifice things that could be considered sacred for reasons that others would think illogical or stupid.

Speaking of privacy ~