Intel Core i3-10300

[cucker tarlson]

don't shout at me.
I'm not a tpu reviewer.
and you're always deflecting my point.I never said 720p is realistic.I said it's representative of cpu bound scenarios.we'd get along better if you weren't trying to spin my words.

and I'm not bashing hwunboxzed specifically.just saying yt tech channels like them who make money for recommendations have to cater for their base or else they're gonna lose profits.this is not a new observation about a specific tech channel.it's common truth.in their 10400 review they only did 4 games,never produced an avg. chart,and then followed with a commentary that was longer than tests.I wonder why they'd go out of their usual way just in this case....... unless they were responsible for producing a hundred videos recommending 3600.it's not their fault,but it's what they have to do on youtube.can't antagonize the base they built.

 

[Caring1]

Get with the times already!

Why so angry?
We get it, you don't agree with 720p being used in CPU tests, other people do.
*drops the Mic and walks off singing Let it go *

 

[Melvis]

and you're always deflecting my point.I never said 720p is realistic.I said it's representative of cpu bound scenarios.we'd get along better if you weren't trying to spin my words.

Well if that is the case and reviewers want to represent a CPU case scenario then dont add games period! Simple as that! Im not spinning words im saying it as it is! nothing more nothing less, its old news over and over again......Im getting tired of it honestly. If you want to show case a CPU in TODAYS world then dont even bother putting in a tech from 15yrs ago, do it as its meant to be used in a real world scenario or not at all!

and I'm not bashing hwunboxzed specifically.just saying yt tech channels like them who make money for recommendations have to cater for their base or else they're gonna lose profits.this is not a new observation about a specific tech channel.it's common truth.

That would be half true and I do agree with some of that yes but if a channel LISTENS to what hundreds or thousands of people saying the same thing, then it cant be without merit right? 2 people cant just say sorry your all wrong! otherwise there wouldnt be a change to how things are done in the first place. If said game is going to be taxing on said CPU its going to show that pretty much regardless of the rez if using a 2080Ti (maybe not much at 4k) and people want to see (again the hundreds of thousands of people) what a realistic scenario is going to be at a rez/settings everyone uses, otherwise its giving info that means nothing to pretty much all gamers.

Why so angry?
We get it, you don't agree with 720p being used in CPU tests, other people do.
*drops the Mic and walks off singing Let it go *

Not angry, never angry, just trying to get the point across is all.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Well if that is the case and reviewers want to represent a CPU case scenario then dont add games period! Simple as that!

no,not simple as that.can you handle the truth ? you're making a simple question "what cpu is faster for gaming" seem like it can't be answered.it's a simple question.

If you want to show case a CPU in TODAYS world then dont even bother putting in a tech from 15yrs ago,

flew right over you head again,didn't it.it's an easy way of cheating a more meticulous process of carefully choosing cpu bound scenarios.saves time.you're gonna end up with higher fps values overall,but cpu hierarchy should be the same.

that would be half true and I do agree with some of that yes but if a channel LISTENS to what hundreds or thousands of people saying the same thing, then it cant be without merit right? 2 people cant just say sorry your all wrong! otherwise there wouldnt be a change to how things are done in the first place.

again,never said they were wrong.or their recommendations are wrong.it's the way they present it.it's an opinion first and data second channel and their methodology is skewed to whatever direction they're going in a given period of time.it's worrying that everything seems like an obvious choice the way they present it.it's never that easy but they way they do it they'll make it look like it.

 

[Melvis]

no,not simple as that.can you handle the truth ? you're making a simple question "what cpu is faster for gaming" seem like it can't be answered.it's a simple question.

And I gave a simple answer

flew right over you head again,didn't it.it's an easy way of cheating a more meticulous process of carefully choosing cpu bound scenarios.saves time.you're gonna end up with higher fps values overall,but cpu hierarchy should be the same.

If it was 2005 then sure! makes sense, I wouldnt have an issue with it at all! but.....sadly it isnt and this what seems to go over everyone's else's head again and again. I totally get why its there but its just 15yrs to late, things change, thats how things work, and change has to be made so we can get numbers that actually reprosent real life scenarios otherwise your just posting figures that mean nothing to 99.9% of people.

again,never said they were wrong.or their recommendations are wrong.it's the way they present it.it's an opinion first and data second channel and their methodology is skewed to whatever direction they're going in a given period of time.it's worrying that everything seems like an obvious choice the way they present it.it's never that easy but they way they do it they'll make it look like it.

I never said you was wrong. and its not skewed otherwise hundreds of thousands of viewers would be in up rawr not on that channel but pretty much all others that have followed suit because its time to move on from 2005 and represnt the majaority of people and not skew results by putting in a res that no one uses and then have people link it online to show look! its better at gaming at a res NO one uses......its just plain stupidity and gives fulse results for something that is now irrelevant

 

[cucker tarlson]

some things change,but games dependency on the cpu - not really.why would it?
it doesn't give false results.why would it again.it gives you cpu-bound results.if you forge them then yes,they're false.

 

[Dyatlov A]

the review wrote “3300X has no room to overclock”

But it has, my do 4.4GHz with 1.3V,

And my is not the best piece, some others can hit 4.6GHz at 1.3V. With that speed utterly destroy 4 Core Intel CPUs, even the more core ones, also within AMD house.

 

[Melvis]

some things change,but games dependency on the cpu - not really.why would it?
it doesn't give false results.why would it again.it gives you cpu-bound results.if you forge them then yes,they're false.

Im not even sure what your getting at in that first sentence, all games are different, some do some dont thats just how it is.

Yes again it does give false results because as I have said like 50times already its irrelevant, its not 2005, and im still waiting over a yr later for anyone that runs there games at 720P with a 2080Ti but no one has yet come and proven that they do which just continues to prove my point.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Im not even sure what your getting at in that first sentence, all games are different, some do some dont thats just how it is.

Yes again it does give false results because as I have said like 50times already its irrelevant, its not 2005, and im still waiting over a yr later for anyone that runs there games at 720P with a 2080Ti but no one has yet come and proven that they do which just continues to prove my point.

cause your point is impossible to prove the way you word it.
it's not on the users to prove what you're asking from them.

here's a good one if that makes you better,1080Ti at 1080p,just better methodology saince they'rre picking game locations and not just lazy dropping the re down.
the results are high due to testing a mix of games,generes and age

Intel Core i5-10600K oraz Core i9-10900K. Test kolejnego wcielenia Skylake

Premierowy test procesorów Intel Core i5-10600K oraz Core i9-10900K. Zobacz wyniki testu i sprawdź, czy Ryzeny 3000 mają się czego bać.

ithardware.pl

 

[Melvis]

cause your point is impossible to prove the way you word it.
it's not on the users to prove what you're asking from them.

here's a good one if that makes you better,1080Ti at 1080p,just better methodology saince they'rre picking game locations and not just lazy dropping the re down.
the results are high due to testing a mix of games,generes and age

Intel Core i5-10600K oraz Core i9-10900K. Test kolejnego wcielenia Skylake

Premierowy test procesorów Intel Core i5-10600K oraz Core i9-10900K. Zobacz wyniki testu i sprawdź, czy Ryzeny 3000 mają się czego bać.

ithardware.pl

View attachment 158139

Exactly! Thats because no one does! Starting to see my point yet?
Oh it is because there the ones that are debating it and thinking that 2005 is still relevant in 2020 when it clearly isnt.


Erm that chart means nothing to me, its not even in English and just a 1 picked slide.....sorry doesnt change anything, I could list a bunch of Youtube channels if you like? not just some random page from a (im guessing) a German site?

 

[cucker tarlson]

frankly if you're bashing tech sites for 720p testing that means you're too lazy to find good ones too.I gave you one where they're testing cpu heavy loactions at 1080p with 1080Ti and you can't be bothered to use a translator.

 

[Melvis]

frankly if you're bashing tech sites for 720p testing that means you're too lazy to find good ones too.I gave you one where they're testing cpu heavy loactions at 1080p with 1080Ti and you can't be bothered to use a translator.

View attachment 158143

Im sorry what? to lazy? I even said in my post I can give you links to many youtube channels but I guess you missed that part? here let me give you a link to youtube https://www.youtube.com/ which is going to cover alot more then some random cherry picked website from Germany..... and FYI you posted it in German in the first place! so who is the real lazy one huh?

 

[cucker tarlson]

why are you so obsessed with German dude ?
and why do you call it cherry picked ?
and what purpose is you linking me "youtube.com" gonna serve ?

seems funny you are the one that "can handle the truth" but you scream at people whose information finds you in uncomfortable position to what you're clinging to.

you said 720p on 2080Ti is wrong,so I linked a test where they normalize the resolution and gpu and find cpu dependent game scenarios instead of just dropping resolution.still wrong accoring to you."cherry picked".

 

[Melvis]

why are you so obsessed with German dude ?
and why do you call it cherry picked ?
and what purpose is you linking me "youtube.com" gonna serve ?

seems funny you are the one that "can handle the truth" but you scream at people whose information finds you in uncomfortable position to what you're clinging to.

you said 720p on 2080Ti is wrong,so I linked a test where they normalize the resolution and gpu and find cpu dependent game scenarios instead of just dropping resolution.still wrong accoring to you."cherry picked".

Obsessed? your the one that linked a German page in the first place not me!.....wth are you on about?
Because I can give you and I did a link to youtube that if you know how to use youtube can look up and find all the proof you need. as it covers MANY not just one page you think that answers it all like the post you gave

I think its funny that you cant handle the truth when i literally just gave you thousands of channels (youtube) that proves my points, but nice try in turning it around dude

At this point I think you just need to stop your just making yourself look really silly and trying to turn what you have already lost around to make your pointless point a point, move on! this is 2020, catch up or ship out!

 

[cucker tarlson]

this is 2020, catch up or ship out!

I am caught up.I have two high refresh monitors.144hz is pretty standard now and 240hz will be shortly.
cpu testing in games has never been more relevant.

i literally just gave you thousands of channels (youtube) that proves my points

by linking me "youtube.com" ?
ok,how about this.
I'll link you google.com go find stuff I'm thinking of atm.

 

[HenrySomeone]

We don't even need 720p to show significant discrepancies between cpus though - 1080p already shows them just fine when done properly and in many cases even 1440p and as soon as 3080(ti) drops, the latter will be the same as the former. And considering the rise in popularity of high refresh rate monitors and that most people go through at least 2 gpus with one cpu (many also more than that - I know I guy for instance who went through 5 or 6 with his 2600k), I am compelled to agree with Cucker that cpu tests have never been more important. And lastly, since the ones most opposed to properly done cpu test are almost invariably AMD fans (to say the least) / owners and Intel invariably comes out on top, we just can't take their rants seriously at all.

 

[Melvis]

I am caught up.I have two high refresh monitors.144hz is pretty standard now and 240hz will be shortly.
cpu testing in games has never been more relevant.

Ok cool, so tell me how all your games look when your gaming at 720P?

by linking me "youtube.com" ?
ok,how about this.
I'll link you google.com go find stuff I'm thinking of atm.

No no no no thats not how this works, I gave you the link to youtube to see if you can find videos of what i have been talking about, it was a test and you failed that test.

Since you dont know how to use the site I will give you a basic run down and then give you some videos. First go to google type in youtube then click on the first link and then type in the search bar at the top CPU reviews or something on the lines of that. Click on said Video and watch the video.

Ok now your all caught up on how to use youtube I will do the heavy lifting for you, im going to post 3 random CPU reviews from youtube from 3 different reviewers and I want you to tell me a few things.

1: At what time in each Video did they discuss or show the 720P CPU gaming results
2: In each comment section below I need you to tell me how many people ether complained, or talked about the 720P data in each video.

Here are the 3 Videos.

Lets see how you go, and see if you can pick up a big clue in one of the videos

We don't even need 720p to show significant discrepancies between cpus though - 1080p already shows them just fine when done properly and in many cases even 1440p and as soon as 3080(ti) drops, the latter will be the same as the former. And considering the rise in popularity of high refresh rate monitors and that most people go through at least 2 gpus with one cpu (many also more than that - I know I guy for instance who went through 5 or 6 with his 2600k), I am compelled to agree with Cucker that cpu tests have never been more important. And lastly, since the ones most opposed to properly done cpu test are almost invariably AMD fans (to say the least) / owners and Intel invariably comes out on top, we just can't take their rants seriously at all.

Your post doesnt make much sense, you completely contradicted yourself, you first agree with well...... me and I quote: We don't even need 720p to show significant discrepancies between cpus though then turn around later and agree with cucker but put an angry face to all of my posts. So which one is it?

 

[cucker tarlson]

Ok cool, so tell me how all your games look when your gaming at 720P?



No no no no thats not how this works, I gave you the link to youtube to see if you can find videos of what i have been talking about, it was a test and you failed that test.

Since you dont know how to use the site I will give you a basic run down and then give you some videos. First go to google type in youtube then click on the first link and then type in the search bar at the top CPU reviews or something on the lines of that. Click on said Video and watch the video.

Ok now your all caught up on how to use youtube I will do the heavy lifting for you, im going to post 3 random CPU reviews from youtube from 3 different reviewers and I want you to tell me a few things.

1: At what time in each Video did they discuss or show the 720P CPU gaming results
2: In each comment section below I need you to tell me how many people ether complained, or talked about the 720P data in each video.

Here are the 3 Videos.

Lets see how you go, and see if you can pick up a big clue in one of the videos




Your post doesnt make much sense, you completely contradicted yourself, you first agree with well...... me and I quote: We don't even need 720p to show significant discrepancies between cpus though then turn around later and agree with cucker but put an angry face to all of my posts. So which one is it?

I'll itemize the things that are wrong with this when I have time,but I honestly don't think you're worth it.
I'm trying to have an informed conversation with a person who trolls me with "go on youtube.com",says I failed "a test" and then takes 2 days to produce a friggin linus video.I feel said I'm doing this.

let's start with the fact that 720p 2080Ti results actually reflect 1080p ones on 1080Ti

3300x to 3700/3800 to 10700k is actually pretty same thing on both.about 5-8%->16%.and this is normal,like I told you,you're cpu bottlenecked in both after all.
720p is a way to reflect how every cpu behaves in cpu bound scenarios not a resolution you play.I said that in every post.you should understand that by now.
take 2700 vs 10700 (9900 if not possible),36% and 38% difference,despite one being 720p 2080Ti and the other 1080p 1080Ti.why ? cause you're cpu limited.
The fact you're seeing 1080p results form TPU change the gaps is a result of their testing.Apparently they're not testing cpu locations.

Same goes for your HWunboxed video,they're not a reliable source cause they spin results whatever way they want.
look at their witcher and deus ex results. they come up with 1% between 8700k and 2700x.they're obviously testing gpu locations.this is what cpu bound results would look like in those games

Test procesorów AMD Ryzen 7 2700X vs Intel Core i7-8700K | PurePC.pl

Test procesorów AMD Ryzen 7 2700X vs Intel Core i7-8700K (strona 44) Który procesor będzie szybszy? AMD Ryzen 7 2700X czy intel Core i7-8700K? Premierowy test nowych procesorów Pinnacle Ridge i Coffee Lake odpowie na wszystkie pytania.

www.purepc.pl

https://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/mbrzostek/2018/amd_pinnacleridge/wykresy/oc_nv_w3.png

both cpu's oc'd and running 3200mhz ram you're getting 14% between them.

in MD they probably just tested the built in benchmark

Test procesora Intel Core i7-8700K - Premiera Coffee Lake | PurePC.pl

Test procesora Intel Core i7-8700K - Premiera Coffee Lake (strona 35) Test procesora Intel Core i7-8700K vs AMD Ryzen i reszta świata, czyli premiera nowej architektury Coffee Lake przynoszącej więcej rdzeni i większą wydajność. Jest moc!

www.purepc.pl

 

[Melvis]

I'll itemize the things that are wrong with this when I have time,but I honestly don't think you're worth it.
I'm trying to have an informed conversation with a person who trolls me with "go on youtube.com",says I failed "a test" and then takes 2 days to produce a friggin linus video.I feel said I'm doing this.

let's start with the fact that 720p 2080Ti results actually reflect 1080p ones on 1080Ti

View attachment 158426

3300x to 3700/3800 to 10700k is actually pretty same thing on both.about 5-8%->16%.and this is normal,like I told you,you're cpu bottlenecked in both after all.
720p is a way to reflect how every cpu behaves in cpu bound scenarios not a resolution you play.I said that in every post.you should understand that by now.
take 2700 vs 10700 (9900 if not possible),36% and 38% difference,despite one being 720p 2080Ti and the other 1080p 1080Ti.why ? cause you're cpu limited.
The fact you're seeing 1080p results form TPU change the gaps is a result of their testing.Apparently they're not testing cpu locations.

Same goes for your HWunboxed video,they're not a reliable source cause they spin results whatever way they want.
look at their witcher and deus ex results. they come up with 1% between 8700k and 2700x.they're obviously testing gpu locations.this is what cpu bound results would look like in those games

Test procesorów AMD Ryzen 7 2700X vs Intel Core i7-8700K | PurePC.pl

Test procesorów AMD Ryzen 7 2700X vs Intel Core i7-8700K (strona 44) Który procesor będzie szybszy? AMD Ryzen 7 2700X czy intel Core i7-8700K? Premierowy test nowych procesorów Pinnacle Ridge i Coffee Lake odpowie na wszystkie pytania.

www.purepc.pl

https://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/mbrzostek/2018/amd_pinnacleridge/wykresy/oc_nv_w3.png

both cpu's oc'd and running 3200mhz ram you're getting 14% between them.

in MD they probably just tested the built in benchmark

Test procesora Intel Core i7-8700K - Premiera Coffee Lake | PurePC.pl

Test procesora Intel Core i7-8700K - Premiera Coffee Lake (strona 35) Test procesora Intel Core i7-8700K vs AMD Ryzen i reszta świata, czyli premiera nowej architektury Coffee Lake przynoszącej więcej rdzeni i większą wydajność. Jest moc!

www.purepc.pl

Well clearly you have more time then I do, ever heard of an essential worker? and by the looks of your response you completely failed again, make that 5 more fails! your on roll! at this point you have become a joke, and only wasting my time now and have proven to me that you are nothing but a troll. Heck I even gave you 3 days to figure it out and you still couldnt even do it, hilarious! Instead you literally just repeated yourself but this time gave me percentages to try to prove your point but by this time you have completely even lost the plot of the point in the first place. I swear talking to a brick wall would result in better results and answers then you would, im just stunned! I bet if I asked you what is the point of this whole conversion was originally over you would get it wrong

The funniest part was when you did your own post and showed a Video from Gamers nexus which completely proved my point! Now I know for an actual fact you are indeed just trolling! That made my laugh so hard when I saw that thread, classic! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

Anyway im done! no point feeding a troll at this point, you have already dug yourself a hole you cant get out of, but I really enjoyed the laugh so thanks for that!

 

[cucker tarlson]

I'm 0% data and 100% trolling.

your slew of meaningless posts in one sentence.
what GN video ? I never posted one.And what exactly was "your point" - apart from "let's get rid of cpu testing completely"
taking your comments as "points" you made is really flattering.there are no points you made in this discussion.to make a point need some data you base it on.
your "points" only reflect that you are definitely too ignorant to understand what I'm talking about.
they're personal attacks 99% of the time,the rest is punctuation.

 

[happy medium]

Well if that is the case and reviewers want to represent a CPU case scenario then dont add games period! Simple as that! Im not spinning words im saying it as it is! nothing more nothing less, its old news over and over again......Im getting tired of it honestly. If you want to show case a CPU in TODAYS world then dont even bother putting in a tech from 15yrs ago, do it as its meant to be used in a real world scenario or not at all!



That would be half true and I do agree with some of that yes but if a channel LISTENS to what hundreds or thousands of people saying the same thing, then it cant be without merit right? 2 people cant just say sorry your all wrong! otherwise there wouldnt be a change to how things are done in the first place. If said game is going to be taxing on said CPU its going to show that pretty much regardless of the rez if using a 2080Ti (maybe not much at 4k) and people want to see (again the hundreds of thousands of people) what a realistic scenario is going to be at a rez/settings everyone uses, otherwise its giving info that means nothing to pretty much all gamers.



Not angry, never angry, just trying to get the point across is all.

Let me give you an example. A few years back I was here telling AMD guys that their Ryzen 1600 cpu's were not that great for gaming.
They were all yelling at me no one games at 1080p with a gtx1080ti!!!
I told them in a few years when stronger gpu's are released 1440p will be cpu limited by a 1600x.....and guess what I was right.
I bet most of those guys have bought a 1600x, a 2700, and now are shelling out $300 more for a 3700 for gaming performance that an overclocked 6700k gave 4 years ago, with the exception of a few games.
An overclocked 6700k would have given you great performance with a overclocked 980ti ,1080ti and 2080ti, .meanwhile the 1600x is now in the crap zone.

In short 720p performance now is a representation of
your cpu's performance longevity.

 

[cucker tarlson]

In short 720p performance now is a representation of
your cpu's performance longevity.

it is an indication of such
whether you'll be needing it is irrelevant to a test,something that the guy needs to get through his fixed skull.I don't need that performance either - doesn't mean I can't see the difference.
imo 720p tests are not irrelevant,it's the best indication of how much fps the cpu is able to pump out with gpu no longer the limit.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Let me give you an example. A few years back I was here telling AMD guys that their Ryzen 1600 cpu's were not that great for gaming.
They were all yelling at me no one games at 1080p with a gtx1080ti!!!
I told them in a few years when stronger gpu's are released 1440p will be cpu limited by a 1600x.....and guess what I was right.
I bet most of those guys have bought a 1600x, a 2700, and now are shelling out $300 more for a 3700 for gaming performance that an overclocked 6700k gave 4 years ago, with the exception of a few games.
An overclocked 6700k would have given you great performance with a overclocked 980ti ,1080ti and 2080ti, .meanwhile the 1600x is now in the crap zone.

In short 720p performance now is a representation of
your cpu's performance longevity.

Bingo! Couldn't have put it better myself. Apart from a couple most thread-heavy titles, current best AMD chips only match an OCed 6700k (with fast ram), a full 5 year old chip, lol. But if we take a more recent example, from 2017 (i.e. the year when the first Ryzens arrived), 8700k still beats them everywhere and will almost certainly also be on par with the likes of 4600(x) or in other words, the best that will be available on AM4. Yes, eventually Zen3 octacores and up will take a slight lead, but by then both platforms will be ripe for retirement anyway. So much for AMD's "superior" upgradeability, hehe (at least as far as gaming and general computing goes, I admit that for those 1 or 2% of people that started with let's say 1600 and X370 (rare combo, mind you) and now somehow find themselves in a dire need of a serious rendering cpu, the 3900x and 3950x offer good options)

 

[Searing]

Bingo! Couldn't have put it better myself. Apart from a couple most thread-heavy titles, current best AMD chips only match an OCed 6700k (with fast ram), a full 5 year old chip, lol. But if we take a more recent example, from 2017 (i.e. the year when the first Ryzens arrived), 8700k still beats them everywhere and will almost certainly also be on par with the likes of 4600(x) or in other words, the best that will be available on AM4. Yes, eventually Zen3 octacores and up will take a slight lead, but by then both platforms will be ripe for retirement anyway. So much for AMD's "superior" upgradeability, hehe (at least as far as gaming and general computing goes, I admit that for those 1 or 2% of people that started with let's say 1600 and X370 (rare combo, mind you) and now somehow find themselves in a dire need of a serious rendering cpu, the 3900x and 3950x offer good options)

That's completely untrue. Nobody was considering a 1600x a good gaming CPU vs a 6700k. People were buying 1600x's for less than the cost of an i5. So you are twisting the actual arguments, and their situation. For example today, you can buy the 3300x for a lot less money, get better application performance and better gaming than the i3-10300. You get DDR3600 support and DDR3600 is dirt cheap today, and you can also run at 4.3-4.4ghz easily. Stay on topic, stay with comparable pricing. Also the 1600x's worth will show itself during the PS5 generation, when the actual comparisons come up that people were talking about.

You're messed up if you think anyone was comparing the $220 USD 1600x that was selling summer 2016 vs the $400 6700. Go look at the equivalent ~$200 Intel CPU from that time.

And not to get in to it, but 720p in 2020 for reviews is just dumb. It shows nothing.

People find weird ways to justify their purchases. Where I was, I could choose the i5-6500 or the Ryzen 1600x for the same price. Ryzen was 91 percent faster overall, gaming will hold up great against the i5-6500.

 

[happy medium]

That's completely untrue. Nobody was considering a 1600x a good gaming CPU vs a 6700k. People were buying 1600x's for less than the cost of an i5. So you are twisting the actual arguments, and their situation. For example today, you can buy the 3300x for a lot less money, get better application performance and better gaming than the i3-10300. You get DDR3600 support and DDR3600 is dirt cheap today, and you can also run at 4.3-4.4ghz easily. Stay on topic, stay with comparable pricing. Also the 1600x's worth will show itself during the PS5 generation, when the actual comparisons come up that people were talking about.

You're messed up if you think anyone was comparing the $220 USD 1600x that was selling summer 2016 vs the $400 6700. Go look at the equivalent ~$200 Intel CPU from that time.

And not to get in to it, but 720p in 2020 for reviews is just dumb. It shows nothing.

People find weird ways to justify their purchases. Where I was, I could choose the i5-6500 or the Ryzen 1600x for the same price. Ryzen was 91 percent faster overall, gaming will hold up great against the i5-6500.

Every AMD fan boy was comparing 6700k/7700k to a 1700x at 4k and 1440p and saying its only 3 or 4% slower and what if you want to stream and play games and surf the net all at the same time???
Then they would add to the argument, " i will use this morherboard for 5 years....

Well the 1600/1700/1800 turned out to be cpu limited with the next generation of gpu's, and the motherboard is now useless.
Go figure the same z170 motherboard and a 6700k @4.6 will still push a 2080ti but the 1600x and 2700x will not.
Thank God the 3700x is on par finally.
You can't argue the facts.

But I will admit, the other 3% of people that did some type of editing used the extra cores.

Ok cool, so tell me how all your games look when your gaming at 720P?

Tell us how your machine runs at 1440p with a rtx3080 with a overclocked Ryzen1700 vs a overclocked 6700k......
I'll give you a hint 40% slower, and how about a 2080ti @ 1440p? About 20% slower . How is that first gen AMD motherboard running your 3700x upgrade??
Hint. ITS NOT!

6700k and 1700 were both about $350 at launch.

A 6700k to a $400 10700k requires a new motherboard and has much better performance and will be viable for years to come considering console are 8 core cpu's.

A 1700 to a $420 3900x will require a new mother board and be more than enough for years to come also.
Like i said the first Ryzen series was way overrated and was the lesser choice back then.