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it just needed to post and get into BIOS to make sure the update took hold, basically. ended up running a USB linux just fine.

No way in hell i'd have ran 3D load on that.
 
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I think I have finally a good ryzen chip!

3700x, testing 4.1ghz @ 1.28v, looks solid.

IBut I think my Strix x470-f report higher temp than other board. my 3600x was running 80C under prime95, 3700x 87C in a 26C ambiant room, fan at max.

Anyway I don't do prime all day xD
 
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I think I have finally a good ryzen chip!

3700x, testing 4.1ghz @ 1.28v, looks solid.

IBut I think my Strix x470-f report higher temp than other board. my 3600x was running 80C under prime95, 3700x 87C in a 26C ambiant room, fan at max.

Anyway I don't do prime all day xD
Silicon lottery in your favor. Well nice!
 

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So fellow Zengardians, Is it good to have a 3700x that boosts to 4.475GHz on two cores, and 6 of the 8 cores going above the rated 4.4 boost?

No BCLK shenanigans here, stock settings other than slight PBO tweaks

 
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Spoil us the PBO settings.
 

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Spoil us the PBO settings.

Apart from the EDC 1 tweak i found on reddit, the rest came from someones advice of 'dont just crank it up, slightly boosted settings often work best'

 
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You convinced me to try the EDC trick on my 3400G. Specially on the GPU.
 

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So fellow Zengardians, Is it good to have a 3700x that boosts to 4.475GHz on two cores, and 6 of the 8 cores going above the rated 4.4 boost?

No BCLK shenanigans here, stock settings other than slight PBO tweaks


Why is your PPT 3W below stock?

cinebench 5058 edc trick crop.jpg

My score with the trick is up from 5001 without PBO and 5013 with EDC 83.

My chip boosts about 50-100MHz higher ST and up to 4.2GHz MT, but that also means it pulls 1.4V briefly, dropping to 1.36V for the duration of the test. Without PBO, Vcore is usually 1.3V in the test, up to 1.337V with EDC 83 PBO. Knowing my chip and how badly it's binned, this seems proof as any that the EDC trick probably breaks PBO and maybe some other safeguards as well, though FIT and PROCHOT are clearly working as normal.

The performance in tests is often very erratic and inconsistent, wildly more so than Ryzen is even at stock. Clocks don't seem to change but ST CPU-Z varies 45pts and MT varies up to 150pts in back-to-back runs. Cinebench ST straight up refuses to finish. Snipping Tool opens only half the time. Sometimes, the CPU will visibly throttle and instantly lose 40pts in the middle of the ST test, although it's clearly not for thermal reasons, as can be seen here with these two done back-to-back:

cpuz edc 1 highest ever mt score.jpgcpu-z throttling.jpg

cpuz freak readings.jpgedc 1 effective clock.jpg

Needless to say, I just went back to stock. My chip is batch 1924 (mid June 2019), and knowing full well that it can't even manually sustain 4.25-4.3GHz at any remotely reasonable Vcore, I don't like what I'm seeing here with the EDC trick, especially with the errors, instability and freak readings. The fact that my board grossly underreports (~25-30%) doesn't help either, maybe the new B550 board I've got on the way will change things, maybe not.

If your 3700X is one of the newly manufactured ones that are capable of outstanding performance like 4.3GHz @ 1.1V, then I'm sure it's a much safer setting for your chip. Though at that point, it might be worth it to just manually overclock 4.4GHz at a sub-1.25V Vcore, since it's a pretty safe voltage.
 
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Well, bad news, the EDC trick doesn't work on APUs.
 

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Why is your PPT 3W below stock?

120mm silent air cooler, i wanted this to be a high performing low wattage build... and i get snazzy performance with this


this trick varies between CPU's, theres some threads around with various suggestions for what worked on X board with Y CPU

ST run got 4.45 (bounced between cores, but generally the same clocks... i took a screenshot so the score could likely be higher)


MT Run
 
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@Mussels yeah, for sure, it'll affect every 3700X differently. What sort of Vcore and "effective clock" do you see during CB multithreaded? The Vcore that the chip calls for in tests might give some indication as to the quality of your chip if you haven't specifically tested the minimum Vcore requirements at certain speeds. Not VID.

I'm still kicking myself for opting to save $30 on the Aorus instead of the Strix ITX B450 at the time. Then I wouldn't even need to buy a B550 board because yours will handle any 8- and 12-core that comes down the line with no problems. Add to that the gross power underreporting that this board has, the fact that I can't use my C14S with it, and it's not the proudest purchasing decision I've made.
 

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Spent all day stuffing around with all the various tweaks and weird things to see what happens

the EDC tweak kicks my single core up, but hurts multi core badly. the clocks stay high but performance tanks?

Ended up settling on "level 4" boost whatever that means by asus, with PBO enabled on default

Not my fastest result, but its cool quiet and rock stable
 

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I switched over to the B550M Steel Legend that got here today and it turns out that both it and my previous B450I Aorus Pro Wifi are incorrigible bastards beyond redemption in their own unique ways.

Set any XMP profile and the ASRock board literally forgets how to train memory properly. Even worse, if you try to use XMP to save a few steps, even BIOS is unstable and randomly freezes. I had to manually input all timings for my previous 3600 16-19-19-37 DJR profile; on that front, it and DRAM voltage control work just fine. It all works out to the same membench and AIDA scores as on my previous board and appears to be stable. Will do some HCI and P95 Large later to verify.

ASRock apparently forces either 1.19V or 1.20V (!!!!!!) of SoC voltage when the board detects that DRAM speeds are anywhere above JEDEC 2133. It also overrides any manually inputted SoC voltage value as long as memory isn't 2133. I know for a fact that my current memory settings shouldn't require any more than 1.1V SoC to sustain.

Precision Boost is also extremely lax, with single core boost rarely ever hitting 4.4 and multi-core in CB R20 consistently below 4GHz, which costs me almost 200MHz and upwards of 250pts score in direct comparison to my old board. Even under 100% load, the temperatures are inconsistent and jumpy as though it's not actually being loaded.

I can't use PBO; any PBO settings that aren't Disabled straight up crash Cinebench.

To make matters worse, I can't even use the 1.10 BIOS update with AGESA v2 1.0.0.2. It hates my memory, and crashes Cinebench 100% of the time, bone stock, regardless of what my settings are. I have to use the original release BIOS with AGESA v2 1.0.0, which in turn has low and questionable performance and stability.

I can't think of any reason why it almost behaves like its constantly throttling in tests. Vcore is low, temps are low, clocks are low, VRM should be comfortably able to handle a 3900X or 3950X just fine, as tested by reviewers.

I never thought "appealing" a descriptor that could be applied to Comet Lake, but I can't think of much else right now.
 

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Did a *lot* of testing to see what combinations of PBO, stock settings, EDC bug and so on to see what gave the best performance, vs the heat output.

Ironically, against the common wisdom with ryzen a static all core 4.3GHz OC turned out to be the best. Lose 1% single threaded performance for a large multi threaded boost over stock, and i'm only getting 63C max all core (around 45C in games)

I mean really, 45C CPU and 35C GPU? this system uses so little power its amazing. Playing rimworld the UPS says i'm getting 120W power draw max... for the *entire* system including soundbar and 32" monitor.
 
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That's very impressive, even if rimworld is like a pure single core load and minimal GPu load as well
 

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I switched over to the B550M Steel Legend that got here today and it turns out that both it and my previous B450I Aorus Pro Wifi are incorrigible bastards beyond redemption in their own unique ways.

Set any XMP profile and the ASRock board literally forgets how to train memory properly. Even worse, if you try to use XMP to save a few steps, even BIOS is unstable and randomly freezes. I had to manually input all timings for my previous 3600 16-19-19-37 DJR profile; on that front, it and DRAM voltage control work just fine. It all works out to the same membench and AIDA scores as on my previous board and appears to be stable. Will do some HCI and P95 Large later to verify.

ASRock apparently forces either 1.19V or 1.20V (!!!!!!) of SoC voltage when the board detects that DRAM speeds are anywhere above JEDEC 2133. It also overrides any manually inputted SoC voltage value as long as memory isn't 2133. I know for a fact that my current memory settings shouldn't require any more than 1.1V SoC to sustain.

Precision Boost is also extremely lax, with single core boost rarely ever hitting 4.4 and multi-core in CB R20 consistently below 4GHz, which costs me almost 200MHz and upwards of 250pts score in direct comparison to my old board. Even under 100% load, the temperatures are inconsistent and jumpy as though it's not actually being loaded.

I can't use PBO; any PBO settings that aren't Disabled straight up crash Cinebench.

To make matters worse, I can't even use the 1.10 BIOS update with AGESA v2 1.0.0.2. It hates my memory, and crashes Cinebench 100% of the time, bone stock, regardless of what my settings are. I have to use the original release BIOS with AGESA v2 1.0.0, which in turn has low and questionable performance and stability.

I can't think of any reason why it almost behaves like its constantly throttling in tests. Vcore is low, temps are low, clocks are low, VRM should be comfortably able to handle a 3900X or 3950X just fine, as tested by reviewers.

I never thought "appealing" a descriptor that could be applied to Comet Lake, but I can't think of much else right now.
Sadly that sounds a lot like the early days of X570. Give it a couple of UEFI updates and hopefully they'll figure it out.
I have no experience with ASRock, but I hope they have competent UEFI engineers.

I had no end of random issues early on with my system, but these days it's flawless.
 

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Sadly that sounds a lot like the early days of X570. Give it a couple of UEFI updates and hopefully they'll figure it out.
I have no experience with ASRock, but I hope they have competent UEFI engineers.

I had no end of random issues early on with my system, but these days it's flawless.

Yeah, those were some dark times. Good thing for us back then was widespread awareness of the glaring firmware issues plaguing all Matisse, and the fact that AMD and vendors were working overtime to rectify them. Nowadays, most users on Matisse have no issues because the baseline firmware has no problems, and given the prevailing opinions of B550, few people are buying/upgrading to it. I doubt it's too high up on ASRock's list of priorities unless the B550M SL becomes a sleeper hit and it turns out to be a consistent firmware problem. Not holding my breath.

I returned it and ordered a Mortar, but it's in some sort of limbo where it's clearly in stock in large numbers yet still backordered so I might be staying on the testbench awhile. It's sad because it's a nice board and I wanted to give ASRock another chance as I haven't been able to since the first board I purchased, which was a Z77 Extreme3 and still trucking along today. If it was just the lower clocks, I would have kept it even though I had technically overpaid for it (much more expensive than its $USD equivalent), but I can't deal with it consistently rebooting 5 seconds into any respectable CPU stress test. There's also the mandatory 1.2V SoC, and as far as I can tell it's just a general ASRock thing. Wouldn't be surprised if excessive VSoC was responsible for at least some instability. Also needed about 0.3V more than on the Aorus to make the 16-19-19-37 stable, but it wasn't an issue as the 4 slots allowed the sticks plenty more airflow than on the 2 DIMM Aorus.

I initially thought it could be a Windows 2004 issue, as my current installation was 1909, but I've clean installed 2004 after coming back to the Aorus and 2004 performs no worse than 1909.

Gigabyte, MSI and ASRock all seem to be relatively decent in keeping up with BIOS updates, but ASRock likes making questionable claims regarding supported RAM speeds. We'll see if MSI's any better. I'm a little excited as I've not had a board with power delivery this strong before, ISL99360 whew.
 

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Yeah, those were some dark times. Good thing for us back then was widespread awareness of the glaring firmware issues plaguing all Matisse, and the fact that AMD and vendors were working overtime to rectify them. Nowadays, most users on Matisse have no issues because the baseline firmware has no problems, and given the prevailing opinions of B550, few people are buying/upgrading to it. I doubt it's too high up on ASRock's list of priorities unless the B550M SL becomes a sleeper hit and it turns out to be a consistent firmware problem. Not holding my breath.

I returned it and ordered a Mortar, but it's in some sort of limbo where it's clearly in stock in large numbers yet still backordered so I might be staying on the testbench awhile. It's sad because it's a nice board and I wanted to give ASRock another chance as I haven't been able to since the first board I purchased, which was a Z77 Extreme3 and still trucking along today. If it was just the lower clocks, I would have kept it even though I had technically overpaid for it (much more expensive than its $USD equivalent), but I can't deal with it consistently rebooting 5 seconds into any respectable CPU stress test. There's also the mandatory 1.2V SoC, and as far as I can tell it's just a general ASRock thing. Wouldn't be surprised if excessive VSoC was responsible for at least some instability. Also needed about 0.3V more than on the Aorus to make the 16-19-19-37 stable, but it wasn't an issue as the 4 slots allowed the sticks plenty more airflow than on the 2 DIMM Aorus.

I initially thought it could be a Windows 2004 issue, as my current installation was 1909, but I've clean installed 2004 after coming back to the Aorus and 2004 performs no worse than 1909.

Gigabyte, MSI and ASRock all seem to be relatively decent in keeping up with BIOS updates, but ASRock likes making questionable claims regarding supported RAM speeds. We'll see if MSI's any better. I'm a little excited as I've not had a board with power delivery this strong before, ISL99360 whew.

Both my Z68 Extreme 4 and 2 Z77 Extreme4 still going strong here too.


What i find funny is that i have had 0 issue stressing my Patriot 2x16GB 3200 set at @3600 @1.35v, sadly it seems like Patriot do not sell any at those speeds so i guess that's why they don't add it.

But ASRock brand don't seem as good as they once were.
 

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Both my Z68 Extreme 4 and 2 Z77 Extreme4 still going strong here too.


What i find funny is that i have had 0 issue stressing my Patriot 2x16GB 3200 set at @3600 @1.35v, sadly it seems like Patriot do not sell any at those speeds so i guess that's why they don't add it.

But ASRock brand don't seem as good as they once were.

The BIOS hasn't changed much, I'll give em that, and I like that. Why fix what isn't broken? It's easy to find what you need. Gigabyte's BIOS is a bit clunkier, more form over function.

They've really got to put the work in to make their VRMs and memory support competitive, however. AM4 is still fine because Ryzen is efficient but LGA1200 showed just how sorely far behind ASRock is. I'm starting to think that the only reason they claim higher memory speeds (4733) than other vendors on boards like the B550M Steel Legend and Pro4 is the balls-to-the-wall 1.2V VSoC. Last time I checked, 1.2V was the safe limit for Matisse SoC.

Can't deny that it's a beautiful board, though. I really liked that unique Clear CMOS button on the rear I/O too.

 
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What is the big deal with Ryzen? I am currently operating a hp envy tower computer i bought in 2014 with a intel core i5 4th gen. If I can afford too I may go to a laptop this year.
 
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What is the big deal with Ryzen? I am currently operating a hp envy tower computer i bought in 2014 with a intel core i5 4th gen. If I can afford too I may go to a laptop this year.

It's fast, power efficient and highly scalable.

So for example I've got a laptop with 12 core 24 thread Ryzen in it.

They're probably the best processors on average out at the moment. Both teams still win at specific work loads but if you're after machines that do everything pretty decently Ryzen seems the way to go these days.

The 3000 series or laptop 4000 series are the ones to look at at.


Sepperate unrelated request

If anyone with a 3900x or 3900 can run a couple of tests for me I'd be appreciated.
Although a 3950x with cores parked would probably work too.

Want to know what peak voltage is when running at 88w ppt during cinebench r20 .
As well as peak voltage when running single core.
Also boost clocks during the same scenario

Turns out my laptop may have a bios issue where it has a + voltage offset as default and just wanted to know what I should be seeing.
 
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Slowly tuning in voltages at 4.3GHz, oddly enough scores are faster than my 4.4GHz run now, no idea why.

1.2V, 4.3GHz

 
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Slowly tuning in voltages at 4.3GHz, oddly enough scores are faster than my 4.4GHz run now, no idea why.

1.2V, 4.3GHz

Looks like some form of clock stretching? I get higher scores than your 4.3 result just running without PBO @ 4.075-4.15GHz all core normal boost...are you using Ryzen Master for OC? RM does all sorts of weird things to clocks and scores.
 
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