TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Apocalypsee]

I just got the 'mystery' X800, everything seems like in good condition. I even check the stock thermal paste it still good, but I repasted with Kryonaut just in case.

Plug it inside the system, the soundcard below is Audigy 2 ZS I bought last year just in preparation for my ultimate XP Truform rig. Sorry about the mess, the cable in the middle is 8-pin EPS cable that is too short to hide around the board.

Sooo what did I got? Is it X800Pro? Is it X800XL, is it X800XT or even the weak X800SE? Luckily I get X800XT! Not the XT-PE because I already see the missing Rage Theater chip and 2ns memory but this is just one below that so everything is great!

Ran a quick 3DMark2001SE and get this score. Don't really know if its good or not I just testing it to see any instability

I'll post some Truform goodies soon. With X800XT I should be able to play games with Truform enabled at 1080p instead of 1024x768 with Radeon 9100, coupled it with fast i5 4670k at 4GHz it should be fun!

 

[Dinnercore]

And the music don't feel like it did when I felt it with you
No, no
Nothing that I do or feel ever feels like I felt it with you
No, no
And the music don't feel like it did when I felt it with you
Nothing that I do or feel ever feels like I felt it with you



Finally found the time to care for this sweet board. Bought it in february and today was the first time I got to turn it on.
Currently rocking an E8600, 2x 1GB OCZ DDR2 1200 and my trusty GTX260; first GPU upgrade I ever bought to replace my 8600GTS and I had to RMA it just 2 days later due to bad TIM application from the factory. Now the replacement is still with me after all these years.

Might make it into an XP-machine and put it into the original case from my very first PC that I also still kept around.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ran a quick 3DMark2001SE and get this score. Don't really know if its good or not I just testing it to see any instability

That's a good score.

 

[Apocalypsee]

I take some pics of the PC.
Focus on GPU

Focus on Audigy 2 ZS

3DMark 2001SE is really CPU dependent benchmark, I get over 51,000 3DMark when clocked the CPU to 4.5GHz instead of 4GHz

 

[Mr.Scott]

Yes.
3D03 is a far better choice for testing legacy GPU's.

 

[TOMCAT]

Sorry, always late at the show.

Easy hints "how to identify" not only X800s.

Frontside picture shows ATi/AMD board number (PCB number) 109 - A31900 - 00.
PCB number is A319 and internet searches will show in this case, that it must be a R423 card.

Backside picture shows the exact card modell, if you know that the CN number is from Dell. Newer cards have a QR code instead a bar code, but Dell CN numbers did not change.
Internet search will show several eBay offers "Dell X800 XT 256MB".
Newer cards will still appear in Dell database.

OK, let my X800 GTO show begin:


X800 GTO with A319 board, R423 GPU, 256MB and Rage ViVo chip.


X800 GTO with A474 board, R480 GPU 256MB and Rage ViVo chip.


X800 GTO² with A474 board, R480 GPU 256MB without Rage ViVo chip.

 

[Apocalypsee]

This is my 'experience' handling XP on modern system, can't believe there is still this issue.

At first Creative driver won't install because it detected newer driver (I think I try to use XFI Titanium HD on XP but it wont work, the residual driver messed things up) so I force install using Device Manager. I thought that's that but NOPE. I get weird audio delay and sound looping when playing games followed by a hard lock or crash. I use two driver cleaner (Driver Sweeper and Driver Cleaner) but even so it still have residual and everytime I try to reinstall driver it say the previous driver is still there and there was nothing in Add/Remove Program that mentions Creative. After quick Google I found out Creative did put their own Install/Uninstaller with their driver, after using that, do a clean boot, and do driver cleaner everything looks good...but it isn't. The weird audio delay/audio skipping still there after some time playing, or changing games, it gets higher chance of happening the longer I use my PC.

Thankfully I have experienced this before, the problem is IRQ conflict. So I change PCI slots, do the thing again (clean boot, uninstall driver, driver sweeper etc.) and finally everything works as intended. Damn that took some time to fix.

The problem doesn't stop there though. After the sound issue my system would randomly, even in Windows, freezes like half a second. This is worse in game where I get insta killed because the game freezes and during that period million bullets hitting me. So I do basic troubleshooting disabling few services and some of the faults lie with ATi Hotkey Poller and Creative services. Freezes in Windows is now totally gone, with Hotkey poller disabled it fixes some weird graphical glitches that text are hard to read in C&C Renegade. Game still have this freezes but I think its because of the old 5400RPM drive. With 16GB RAM I think I'm going to use RAMdisk and use the excess RAM for game. All the Truform games so far use less than 4GB of harddisk space so I'm good with that. If that doesn't work I have spare 120GB Samsung 840 Evo that I could use for game drive.

But I enjoyed it, it gives nostalgic feeling of younger me fixing this kind of quirks. Its tiring but...nostalgic I hope I won't seeing that kind of thing happen on this PC ever again

Sorry, always late at the show.

Easy hints "how to identify" not only X800s.

Frontside picture shows ATi/AMD board number (PCB number) 109 - A31900 - 00.
PCB number is A319 and internet searches will show in this case, that it must be a R423 card.

Backside picture shows the exact card modell, if you know that the CN number is from Dell. Newer cards have a QR code instead a bar code, but Dell CN numbers did not change.
Internet search will show several eBay offers "Dell X800 XT 256MB".
Newer cards will still appear in Dell database.

Nice info, well you are about a week late haha, but I do google the PCB number and like you said few hits from eBay mentioning Dell X800XT and thats the main reason I proceed with the deal. I wont be getting any other of that price, its like less than a fifth the cost from eBay, not including shipping!

 

[agent_x007]

X800 GTO2 (16PS) :

3DMark 03 score : 13160 (LINK).

6800 GX (8PS default, unlockable to 16PS) :

 

[Robert B]

New flea market HW FOUND!!! Run autoconfig? Well, option is greyed.

1. DataExpert / ExperBoard EXP 4045 *** 486 VLB + AMD 486DX4-100MHz - small acid damage / the battery will be removed soon. For sure is working. These boards are immortal.
2. Lucky Star 5VP3 REV: 2.1 + Pentium MMX 200MHz - Cracked plastic at one ISA slot and another slightly bent but totally fixable. Sk7+AGP=WIN! Usually these boards are equipped just with PCI and ISA slots

Bought extremely cheap. Now it is my turn to do my magic.

 

[Dinnercore]

The OCZ kit is nice. Finally some DDR2 that goes beyond 600, all of my previous sticks failed around 580Mhz. This one keeps going (on 2.1V), I only encountered VTT issues to this point. Lacking the time to test further today but I can sleep in peace tonight.

That E8600 is trash tho sadly. It struggles to get 4,5GHz going even with 1.45V. I stopped at 4.6GHz and 1.52V before I went to test the RAM and board. No point in trying this CPU, most of my E8300s are faster then this piece of s***.

I might make this into another one of my dream machines. Daily stable 5GHz Core 2 Duo system. I always wondered back then what it would be like, while sitting on my AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (wow and Intel is getting crap for its names).
Got one sweet E8500 saved for this occasion: https://valid.x86.fr/r7wdt1

 

[agent_x007]

Pretty sure that 5GHz at 1,45V E8500 is quite the golden sample you got.
My E8600 is similar to yours : ~4,5GHz @ 1,47V.

 

[Mr.Scott]

None of my E8xxx's are that good.

 

[biffzinker]

Trying my luck at overclocking the Athlon II X4 635 on a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2 Rev. 1.2

So far overclocked +725 MHz over the stock 2.9 GHz.

 

[biffzinker]

Find the right VRM's and you might be able to fix it. What do you have to loose?

I forgot to let you guys know the Q9400, and XFX nForce mobo are still functional. The only issue I was running into was instability with the previous DDR2-1066 @ 1000MHz. Tried removing two sticks, was a bit more stable but not 100%.

Not sure what the shorted PCB that scorched the top layer, and caused a bump has to do with memory. The damage is near the CPU socket.





What happened with photos, and what I was doing.

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Also the fact that you can't play NES with gun on flat screen tv. Which is very sad, Duck Hunt is one of my favs... I was really good at it too.

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[Ruru]

Love those X800 series pics above and the Audigy2 ZS. Still using mine since...

Oh boy, Phenom II was a bottleneck even for GTX 470 It's an unlocked X2 555BE, I need to test out the stability and try some more OC. Cinebench at least ran @ 4GHz.

 

[Apocalypsee]

I found out the culprit why I get sound looping and skipping and some game like Doom3 totally unplayable because it will hard lock in a few minutes, its the PAE patch to use more than 4GB of RAM is causing it. Since I'm only playing older titles (early 2000 games) I don't need that much memory in the first place. Overall I'm happy with this system. Playing games in its native environment with period correct GPU & significantly reduced CPU bottleneck is fun! Can't believe X800 was able to handle most games at 1080p. Doom3 is the limit where it gets quite choppy during combat at 1280x1024 high setting.

Tested 3DMark03 last night this is what I got. I'm using single core and set at 4.5GHz

 

[Mr.Scott]

Tested 3DMark03 last night this is what I got. I'm using single core and set at 4.5GHz

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Overclock that card and you'd be in the 18-19K range.

 

[Apocalypsee]

Overclock that card and you'd be in the 18-19K range.

As much as I like doing that, I prefer not to. It reaches high 70s up to 80C so I won't be doing any overclocking. I put extra 70mm fan blowing behind the card to cool down the card a bit.

 

[Ruru]

As much as I like doing that, I prefer not to. It reaches high 70s up to 80C so I won't be doing any overclocking. I put extra 70mm fan blowing behind the card to cool down the card a bit.

Have you changed the thermal paste?

E: Also, there's no voltage control on X800/X850 cards IIRC so overclocking won't heat it much more than what it warms up at stock.

 

[Apocalypsee]

Have you changed the thermal paste?

E: Also, there's no voltage control on X800/X850 cards IIRC so overclocking won't heat it much more than what it warms up at stock.

Yes, thats the first thing I did. You know what, the stock paste is still alright and barely any difference from new paste. Only better idle. I use Kryonaut. Later I clean the dust on the fan. I ramp up the fan speed slightly when gaming. Yeah there is no soft voltage control, I'll try overclocking when I got time

OK the card ia now dead. The next guy who suggest me to overclock old hardware again will need to pay for it if its dead

 

[Ruru]

New picks:

Palit GTX 570

Asus GTX 680 ref with a modified cooler from some other card



edit: probably get my GTX 950 tomorrow

 

[Caring1]

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Asus GTX 680 ref with a modified cooler from some other card

1060 Dual

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ok folks, for those of us who began computing before PC's, this will hit the nostalgia bone;

 

[Splinterdog]

My Leadtek WinFast A400GT TDH Geforce 6800GT I bought in 2004 which still gives VGA output but sadly no more 3D.
I remember being so hyped for buying this card and at the time it was huge! Almost as long as its title.

 

[Radical Vision]

Got new stuff, the ABIT boards are both pulled from working computers, and they are in factory/ mint condition, meaning i will just keep them, as i normally just dont sell stuff that are mint...
Extra Athlon64 x2 4200+ 939, dont see much dual core 939 CPUs localy, and AMD K6-II 500.. And ofc some crappy brand (Fountain Technologies 139D-2) GEforce 256, as i have Creative one, will sell this to return money from all these...