AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT

[Sihastru]

Hopefully a wake up call for certain individuals that hold certain companies with certain identity colors in higher regard than other certain companies with other certain identity colors. Such is life.

 

[Mistral]

Well, I guess it's not the worst way to get more advertising and mindshare for your brand...

 

[Bee9]

HEY HERE IT IS ON A 24-THREAD CPU THAT NOBODY OUTSIDE OF MULTI-THREADED POWER USERS WOULD CHOOSE TO BUY.

Sure, who's going to buy a 12 cores 24 threads except power users? Professional gamers are all Intel and casual gamers will properly choose 3300x or the 3600.

Well, I guess it's not the worst way to get more advertising and mindshare for your brand...

And we are here discussing about it. Quite true. Releasing a technically dump product is still a good marketing move to balance the press a little bit while waiting for the next gen.

Hopefully a wake up call for certain individuals that hold certain companies with certain identity colors in higher regard than other certain companies with other certain identity colors. Such is life.

Red and Blue team alike. and I'm here teaming up with whatever gives me the most ROI. In this case, still AMD.

 

[Totally]

are there any 8+ cpu part with integrated graphics? Noticed a lack of one was a con for this on the verdict page and the 3800xt when Intel doesn't have such cpus either iirc.

 

[ARF]

Sure, who's going to buy a 12 cores 24 threads except power users?

Ryzen 9 3900X is the third best selling CPU in Germany.

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[Bee9]

Ryzen 9 3900X is the third best selling CPU in Germany.

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Sure that means lots of people are power users and the definition of power users varies a lot. For me, editing some photos while waiting for the videos to complete or crunching numbers for market forecast. That requires lots of power..

are there any 8+ cpu part with integrated graphics? Noticed a lack of one was a con for this and the 3800xt when Intel doesn't have such cpus either iirc.

Adding an iGPU will reduce the yield and therefore, lower the margin. They reserve the iGPU for their APU line up. Consider you have a limited amount of production capacity in your FAB, you must prioritize what get produced first.

 

[Deleted member 193792]

Adding an iGPU will reduce the yield and therefore, lower the margin. They reserve the iGPU for their APU line up. Consider you have a limited amount of production capacity in your FAB, you must prioritize what get produced first.

I'm wondering if they could integrate the smallest possible RDNA2 iGPU in a 7nm I/O die, along with a 5nm chiplet in Zen 4.

Not for gaming, just for regular desktop use. An iGPU also allows you to sell your dGPU when it still has value and wait for the next one (i.e. Turing -> Ampere), without making your PC totally useless for browsing etc.

 

[Bee9]

I'm wondering if they could integrate the smallest possible RDNA2 iGPU in a 7nm I/O die, along with a 5nm chiplet in Zen 4.

Not for gaming, just for regular desktop use. An iGPU also allows you to sell your dGPU when it still has value and wait for the next one (i.e. Turing -> Ampere), without making your PC totally useless for browsing etc.

The problem here is cannibalizations. Ryzen with iGPU will turn their APU line up into history. Good luck selling APU when the best Ryzen has one. Ryzen CPUs also play a key role in the halo effect, so it's not nice if it has an weaker iGPU. Technicality aside, I will veto this idea sorely on the marketing point of view.

 

[ARF]

The problem here is cannibalizations. Ryzen with iGPU will turn their APU line up into history. Good luck selling APU when the best Ryzen has one. Ryzen CPUs also play a key role in the halo effect, so it's not nice if it has an weaker iGPU. Technicality aside, I will veto this idea sorely on the marketing point of view.

It could be marketed as large, potent audio/video acceleration unit for 8K and 16K processing, because obviously you can't do it with x86 instructions.

 

[Deleted member 193792]

The problem here is cannibalizations. Ryzen with iGPU will turn their APU line up into history. Good luck selling APU when the best Ryzen has one. Ryzen CPUs also play a key role in the halo effect, so it's not nice if it has an weaker iGPU. Technicality aside, I will veto this idea sorely on the marketing point of view.

How doesn't Intel cannibalize their product line?

It could be marketed as large, potent audio/video acceleration unit for 8K and 16K processing, because obviously you can't do it with x86 instructions.

You can do it with x86 SIMD (AVX256/512).

 

[Bee9]

It could be marketed as large, potent audio/video acceleration unit for 8K and 16K processing, because obviously you can't do it with x86 instructions.

Then the graphic department will file a complaint... But yeah, 3900XT with integrated Vega 20 graphics will make me wet, extremely wet (drooling all over my keyboard).
Back to the topic at hand: look at 3900 binning, it takes time to reach the maturity for the node and you already see how good the 3900X does nowadays compare to the first launch. The XT is just cherry on top to steal the press.

How doesn't Intel cannibalize their product line?

Within Intel product lines, I don't see anything marketed as APU. That's just how marketing works in corporation. You have multiple departments compete for the resources.

 

[ARF]

Then the graphic department will file a complaint... But yeah, 3900XT with integrated Vega 20 graphics will make me wet, extremely wet (drooling all over my keyboard).
Back to the topic at hand: look at 3900 binning, it takes time to reach the maturity for the node and you already see how good the 3900X does nowadays compare to the first launch. The XT is just cherry on top to steal the press.


Within Intel product lines, I don't see anything marketed as APU. That's just how marketing works in corporation. You have multiple departments compete for the resources.

Except that Navi is much better than Vega..

 

[R0H1T]

Because Intel doesn't sell mainstream chips without an IGP, the ones with F or KF are disabled IGP chips, for various reasons. AMD have moved from regular chips, pre BD i.e. phenom II for instance, to a CPU & APU post 2011.

Within Intel product lines, I don't see anything marketed as APU. That's just how marketing works in corporation. You have multiple departments compete for the resources.

Nothing to do with marketing, Intel's selling IGP less desktop chips only on HEDT platforms for nearly a decade now.

 

[Deleted member 193792]

Within Intel product lines, I don't see anything marketed as APU. That's just how marketing works in corporation. You have multiple departments compete for the resources.

An APU is a heterogeneous processor that integrates a CPU and a GPU and Intel has had that for a long time.

It's not like AMD has an exclusivity to that concept... even mobile SoCs do that.

 

[Bee9]

Except that Navi is much better than Vega..

We should stay on 3900XT topic.
PS: my work require heavy compute so vega is favorable.

 

[ARF]

An APU is a heterogeneous processor that integrates a CPU and a GPU and Intel has had that for a long time.

It's not like AMD has an exclusivity to that concept... even mobile SoCs do that.

I think Intel avoids the term APU because it leads to AMD's Fusion concept and they would give AMD a free advertisement help.

We should stay on 3900XT topic.
PS: my work require heavy compute so vega is favorable.

Yes, and this is why Ryzen 9 3900X with Navi IP would be better..

 

[Deleted member 193792]

I think Intel avoids the term APU because it leads to AMD's Fusion concept and they would give AMD a free advertisement help.

Welp, that sounds rather dumb.

Imagine if AMD didn't use the GPU term, only because nVidia used it first.

 

[ARF]

Welp, that sounds rather dumb.

Imagine if AMD didn't use the GPU term, only because nVidia used it first.

The detail here is that if it depends on Intel, AMD won't exist whatsoever. They have done everything possible to bankrupt AMD.
They simply don't respect anything AMD's.

 

[R0H1T]

How about APU sounds a little unnecessary? It's basically a CPU with an IGP, do (most) people really care what it's called? You give them a thousand terms to gnaw upon & they'll tear their brains out, this is why marketing often times relies on tried & testing naming conventions & branding like i3 - i9 so no need to sell the consumers on a novel concept. The lesser the time they spend on thinking, the more likely they'll splurge on your products at least that's how I observe many of the average folks operate.

 

[yeeeeman]

Exactly, AMD will milk consumers that praised them exactly like Intel did.

Now I saw. Besides the fact that people have to pay 50-100$ for 100mhz, now the cooler is not included anymore. Niiice!

 

[nangu]

Looks like it runs far too hot (with the oc) mine has a much smaller gap oc 4.2 vs stock. Even if i were looking to buy one before, i most certainly wouldn't now. Did they screw up something with the ihs or maybe just poor bios.. hmm

I think it's just very high voltage used in this review. My 3900X can run stable @1.2v for a 4.2Ghz all core OC, and temps are the same as stock + PBO.

 

[jesdals]

Strange in Denmark retailers list the 3900XT as haveing 70mb cache

 

[W1zzard]

Strange in Denmark retailers list the 3900XT as haveing 70mb cache

64 mb L3, 512 kb L2 per core, amd felt like adding them all up makes for a better specs sheet

 

[Jism]

When this drops around 380 euro, im picking one up.

 

[Vya Domus]

Hopefully a wake up call for certain individuals that hold certain companies with certain identity colors in higher regard than other certain companies with other certain identity colors. Such is life.

Yeah, a better binned refresh with slightly higher clocks is a brutal wake up call ... from what exactly ?

You've posted cringe bro.