Global Warming & Climate Change Discussion

[ARF]

Nonsense. Do you realize that a warmer planet is actually conducive to a greater abundance of plant and animal and human life?

Good luck with venomous reptiles and spiders in the Nordic countries, then.

 

[Assimilator]

Nonsense. Do you realize that a warmer planet is actually conducive to a greater abundance of plant and animal and human life?

Our familiar temperature range is a brief warm period compared to the norm for the prior 1M years... and we are due for another ice age... which really would be devastating.

I'm super excited to hear you explain how temperatures outside human habitable ones are "conducive to a greater abundance of human life".

 

[ARF]

Well, yes, we, the humans, are mammals, not dinosaurs, so the ideal conditions for us are around these temperatures today.
If it gets too hot, I don't know what will happen to the human population.

 

[rruff]

I'm super excited to hear you explain how temperatures outside human habitable ones are "conducive to a greater abundance of human life".

There isn't any life in those places now.

Well, yes, we, the humans, are mammals, not dinosaurs, so the ideal conditions for us are around these temperatures today.
If it gets too hot, I don't know what will happen to the human population.

Mammals dominated the world 50-60M years ago, when global temperatures were the highest they've ever been... ~13C warmer than present.

Based on more recent history, we are living in a rare warm period which will surely end without intervention, putting us in an ice age... a thick ice sheet covering much of the world. How "ideal" do you think that would be?

 

[Assimilator]

There isn't any life in those places now.

There isn't life in the Middle East? Cool story bro.

Mammals dominated the world 50-60M years ago, when global temperatures were the highest they've ever been... ~13C warmer than present.

Wow look at how relevant that is to current humans!

Based on more recent history, we are living in a rare warm period which will surely end without intervention, putting us in an ice age... a thick ice sheet covering much of the world. How "ideal" do you think that would be?

Please show me where I said that's ideal. I'll wait.

Doesn't matter though, your "argument" is insane. You apparently have a fundamental inability to understand the difference between "normal and expected climate shift over millions of years" versus "unexpected climate shift in a matter of centuries".

 

[ARF]

Mammals dominated the world 50-60M years ago, when global temperatures were the highest they've ever been... ~13C warmer than present.

Based on more recent history, we are living in a rare warm period which will surely end without intervention, putting us in an ice age... a thick ice sheet covering much of the world. How "ideal" do you think that would be?

I don't believe that there will be any ice age coming except if super volcano eruption or an asteroid strike provoked winter.
There is just too much greenhouses in the atmosphere now, so the temperatures are only going to rise in the foreseeable future.

 

[remixedcat]

Lol someone was triggered about my post?

But still.. BRING ON THE ICE AGE!! sick of this heat

 

[the54thvoid]

Lol someone was triggered about my post?

But still.. BRING ON THE ICE AGE!! sick of this heat

A cool thing from the end of the last ice age:

Same thing better media - actually difference ice lake!

 

[remixedcat]

It's easier to deal with cold.... just put more layers on... but you can't take your skin off lol

 

[the54thvoid]

It's easier to deal with cold.... just put more layers on... but you can't take your skin off lol

And cold means less tropical disease, less mosquitos, less bugs in general.

Yeah, cold's good. Not sure if I want a thousand metre high glacier on my front step though...

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not sure if I want a thousand metre high glacier on my front step though...

Fair point. LOL!

 

[ARF]

It's easier to deal with cold.... just put more layers on... but you can't take your skin off lol

Yes. And the Nordic nations are more intelligent (except Finland ).

 

[remixedcat]

And cold means less tropical disease, less mosquitos, less bugs in general.

Yeah, cold's good. Not sure if I want a thousand metre high glacier on my front step though...

And less allergies!!! Sick of itchin all the time

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

There isn't life in the Middle East? Cool story bro.



Wow look at how relevant that is to current humans!



Please show me where I said that's ideal. I'll wait.

Doesn't matter though, your "argument" is insane. You apparently have a fundamental inability to understand the difference between "normal and expected climate shift over millions of years" versus "unexpected climate shift in a matter of centuries".

Ice ages are not necessarily on million year time scales the last one ended abruptly too then came back abruptly then left , abruptly.

 

[ARF]

Ice ages are not necessarily on million year time scales the last one ended abruptly too then came back abruptly then left , abruptly.

Then, it's not an ice age, but temporary lower temperatures. In such a case there isn't even enough time for ice caps to form and build up.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Then, it's not an ice age, but temporary lower temperatures. In such a case there isn't even enough time for ice caps to form and build up.

Right, so the little hump wasn't an ice age, probably wasn't pleasant for a thousand years though and it still ended abruptly as did the ice age just before it, my point.
We know little of what an ice age is like or it's effects on us.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Right, so the little hump wasn't an ice age, probably wasn't pleasant for a thousand years though and it still ended abruptly as did the ice age just before it, my point.
We know little of what an ice age is like or it's effects on us.

That being said, we have the technology to better survive an iceage.

 

[robot zombie]

That being said, we have the technology to better survive an iceage.

True... but I have a feeling food would be a significant challenge. Maybe we have the tech but coordinating a huge shift in multiple industries in a time when economies around the world are likely to be all screwed up is going to massively complicate things... and weve all seen how terrible people can be when theyre stuck working together to adapt to big changes. Just on the food thing alone so much would be different.

Pretty much anything that changes what surviving looks like, or even just how we live our lives, is bound to cause a lot of turmoil and ultimately loss. I think we'd be decimated simply by the trickle out of different things coming with an ice age. Having the tools to survive is arguably the easiest part. What we seem to struggle with is who gets to use them and how. Put an unheard of land/resource squeeze on everyone and watch how the world scrambles and works against itself.

Just based on our track record throughout post-enlightenment history, I have a hard time putting much faith in governments, let alone regular people to really hold it together. Its not having the means to survive or not, but the damage that losing a bunch of things that got taken for granted would do to any sense of order we had.

Like, Im sure we'd make it, but things would probably never be the same and it would massively suck for all of the regular people just caught in the middle. 'We' will survive. But many people won't.

 

[the54thvoid]

This is venturing away from the topic at hand - climate change. An ice-age isn't really on our radar - we, and many generations will be long gone before it happens, unless it's unduced by some atmospheric catastrophe (super volcano level eruption, ELE: asteroid, etc). On that front, a discussion on Yellowstone should happen somewhere... I mean, if that caldera erupts, America's finished

Anyway, FTR, an ice-age would have calamitous effect on our resource system. Humans moved out of the tropical areas at the ending of the last ice-age. If such ice-sheets were to return, the effects on sea-level would be crazy, the effects on global crops, a catastophe. We're in an inter-stadial, one of those times between ice-ages. It could last a long, long time. I'm sure some crazy is thinking if we keep global warming up, we can stop the next ice-age. Well, warming will have equally disastrous effects but they will happen in a shorter time-frame (centuries, not millenia). Besides, as some have commented on before, it's not just global wamring that's starting to hurt, it's soil degradation by industrial farming, resource stripping by intensive mining, and acidification of the oceans by warming and CO2 absorption. Regardless of cause (whether you wish to blame human action or not), these things are happening now - that is irrefutable.

And one last thing. Should global weather change in either extreme way (long-term scenarios) what happens to those populated zones, those countries that lose their crops & resources? Well, they seek better land. Land someone else is already on. Humans are shit at being co-operative on a large scale. At community level - you use town halls. At global level - you use war. That's the future if any severe resource drought threatens an established first-world country (one with an army... or nukes).

What a future someone is going to have...

 

[Assimilator]

Lol someone was triggered about my post?

But still.. BRING ON THE ICE AGE!! sick of this heat

I didn't report that post, but I'm glad it was marked as low quality, because it's pure unadalterated nonsense. This is a thread about science, and science means facts - which said post lacks entirely.

If you want to discuss bat fuck insane conspiracy theories, please start your own thread to do so.

 

[remixedcat]

So you only think that regular people are too blame and these celebs are soooo perfect?

 

[the54thvoid]

So you only think that regular people are too blame and these celebs are soooo perfect?

In Europe we have package holidays. That's sardines crammed into planes. Heavy, commercial liners laden with fuel. I know people with middle incomes that fly three times a year. The ultra rich are bastards. I hate wealth, it's evil. But our world's become a consumer nightmare. Consume, consume, consume. The rich sell it, we buy it. We're all too blame.

 

[phanbuey]

In Europe we have package holidays. That's sardines crammed into planes. Heavy, commercial liners laden with fuel. I know people with middle incomes that fly three times a year. The ultra rich are bastards. I hate wealth, it's evil. But our world's become a consumer nightmare. Consume, consume, consume. The rich sell it, we buy it. We're all too blame.

You're not wrong... but as someone who lived in the former Soviet Union, and basically anyone who has ever lived or now lives under the alternative system... believe me this consumer nightmare is absolute heaven comparatively.

At this point austerity is really no longer a valid option... the best we can do now is invent technology to clean up after ourselves, especially given the rate of population growth.

Carbon Sequestration

What is Carbon Sequestration? Carbon sequestration secures carbon dioxide to prevent it from entering the Earth’s atmosphere. The idea is to stabilize carbon in solid and dissolved forms so that it doesn’t cause the atmosphere to warm. The process shows tremendous promise for reducing the human...

climatechange.ucdavis.edu

and of course... our man Boyan:

Careers | The Ocean Cleanup

To succeed in our mission, we need to complete one of the most ambitious engineering projects on the face of the planet. Designing mega-structures capable of lasting in the harshest of environments is not easy. If you are a master problem solver and are willing to do whatever it takes to build a...

theoceancleanup.com

The good news is the sequestration projects pump out Graphene, so we can at the least expect some sweet tech toys on that front.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The good news is the sequestration projects pump out Graphene, so we can at the least expect some sweet tech toys on that front.

That, plus getting off of carbon fuel, is how the carbon problem is solved in an economically viable way. Doesn't address the methane problem though:

Trends in CH4 - NOAA Global Monitoring Laboratory

GML conducts research on greenhouse gas and carbon cycle feedbacks, changes in aerosols, and surface radiation, and recovery of stratospheric ozone.

esrl.noaa.gov

Nor N2O:

Trends in N2O - NOAA Global Monitoring Laboratory

GML conducts research on greenhouse gas and carbon cycle feedbacks, changes in aerosols, and surface radiation, and recovery of stratospheric ozone.

www.esrl.noaa.gov

The primary driver for the industrial era increase of N2O was concluded to be enhanced microbial production in expanding and fertilized agricultural lands.

Nor SF6:

Trends in SF6 - NOAA Global Monitoring Laboratory

GML conducts research on greenhouse gas and carbon cycle feedbacks, changes in aerosols, and surface radiation, and recovery of stratospheric ozone.

www.esrl.noaa.gov

Sulphur hexafl uoride (SF6) is produced for use as an electrical insulating fl uid in power distribution equipment and also deliberately released as an essentially inert tracer to study atmospheric and oceanic transport processes.

SF6 is the most potent greenhouse gas identified to date because of its long atmospheric lifetime (3200 years) and radioactive efficiency (0.52 wm2ppb)

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ar4-wg1-chapter2-1.pdf

 

[EricaR]

Global warming and climate change are always hidden in development and invention. People innovated so many things and still they search for new things..Most of innovations finally caused global warming directly and circularly. No one can stop this process.. But can be manged through proper guidance and good attitudes..