X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[johnspack]

Hey deledukesboy, how do you get more than 4.4 out of these chips. I'm at around 1.4ish close to .5, I wanted 4.5 but it just goes unstable.....

Trying to hit 4.5 stable on my cpu, but 4.4 is all all can get at 1.4v+ offset... and tips to get to 4.5 dalekdukesboy?
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[dalekdukesboy]

Hey deledukesboy, how do you get more than 4.4 out of these chips. I'm at around 1.4ish close to .5, I wanted 4.5 but it just goes unstable.....

Trying to hit 4.5 stable on my cpu, but 4.4 is all all can get at 1.4v+ offset... and tips to get to 4.5 dalekdukesboy?
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Well if I read your profile again correctly it shows you have a Noctua nh-D14, I have one, if you go back far enough in this thread I was using it but now I got water cooling. Simply stated, you need more cooling to get more out of these chips. 4.4 - 4.5 is max you'll get out of this chip with air at least with any stability.

 

[Aquinus]

Well if I read your profile again correctly it shows you have a Noctua nh-D14, I have one, if you go back far enough in this thread I was using it but now I got water cooling. Simply stated, you need more cooling to get more out of these chips. 4.4 - 4.5 is max you'll get out of this chip with air at least with any stability.

This is the reason I got the H100i for the 3930k. Air was simply not going to keep my CPU cool to push it north of 4.2Ghz on all cores.

 

[preparado]

Hey deledukesboy, how do you get more than 4.4 out of these chips. I'm at around 1.4ish close to .5, I wanted 4.5 but it just goes unstable.....

Trying to hit 4.5 stable on my cpu, but 4.4 is all all can get at 1.4v+ offset... and tips to get to 4.5 dalekdukesboy?
Stupid reply hit twice......

First of all, get yourself trio of nh-a15pwm fans for nh-d14. Stock fans are solid, but a15 are in the league of their own. In the best case scenario, try to find 1500 rpm version off-hands as a main one. Those comes with u14s, d15 and d15s towers as stock and cannot be bought otherwise. I've never tested Chromax version, so I won't speak for it. Regular nf-a15pwm are 1200rpm and quick to come by.

Check your TIM under CPU heatsink and on the motherboard as well, they probably need to be changed. I'd recommend NT-H2 as thermal paste, but I'm not much of an expert in thermal pads. Currently learning about those myself.

And the last, but not less important: what is your case and fan setup? Probably it doesn't have door intake fans, right?

I know how's that sound, but better safe than sorry.

 

[johnspack]

It's not really temps I'm worried about, I'm kinda ocd about voltage. I've got 4 intake fans, 2 feeding the cpu, and 3 exhaust including the large top fan. Guess I'll just be happy
with 4.4. After all this time I didn't even know it would do 4.4. I think next step might be to see if I can push my ram past 1866....

 

[bobbybluz]

1. Every CPU is different. Some are great overclockers, some OK and some not so much.
2. Fan placement and proper airflow make a huge difference.
3. Fans that move large amounts of air aren't quiet. My 120mm Delta's at 252cfm sound like vacuum cleaners. My 140mm Silverstone FHP141's that move 171cfm are a bit quieter and 120mm Silverstone FM121's @110cfm slightly quieter than the FHP141.
4. If you need to put more than 1.4 volts into the CPU to get over 4.5GHz it'll begin experiencing core degradation eventually. Been there.

 

[Kanan]

Definitely would like to see this.

Also on the subject of water cooling...I have my frankenstein setup I have here which I think I had pictures of at one point but ambient temperature seems to be a real biggy with water cooling, I remember when I was air cooled and of course room temperature being lower is better and it mattered but it seems like with water cooling it makes a very large difference the temperature the water and system is surrounded by...now...I've never seen anyone really talk about it but you can't do much with the hoses and the plate attached to the CPU other than get it all tight and don't kink lines and get good pressure/contact/TIM on the cpu...but to me it seems you've got this fairly large plastic reservoir where water "hangs out" for a short time as it's pumped through the lines and wondered if finding a way to cool that reservoir would be a good idea? Considering it's plastic/water I'd think putting a good fan or two on it and really blasting the outside of it with air would help keep it cool. At least for me what I notice is the temps generally start fairly low and eventually the temps creep up and I can actually feel that reservoir getting fairly warm after a time of stress/use etc. I'm just thinking if I could keep it even a few degrees cooler in that one spot where water gathers it could make a difference?

Yea, sure. I saw some videos where a guy used chilled water to great success, so yes, this makes actually a pretty big difference. You can use a external radiator which is in the cold, outside, if the ambient temps outside are actually cold that time. You can use dry ice to cool down water to very low (minus C) temperatures. You can even try a chiller which blasts the radiator and cools it down significantly - all these setups are fairly impractical, but it's probably a fun experiment to play with.

It's not really temps I'm worried about, I'm kinda ocd about voltage. I've got 4 intake fans, 2 feeding the cpu, and 3 exhaust including the large top fan. Guess I'll just be happy
with 4.4. After all this time I didn't even know it would do 4.4. I think next step might be to see if I can push my ram past 1866....

Still, lower temperatures enable higher overclocks. In other words: lower temperatures are *always* beneficial.

 

[preparado]

It's not really temps I'm worried about, I'm kinda ocd about voltage. I've got 4 intake fans, 2 feeding the cpu, and 3 exhaust including the large top fan. Guess I'll just be happy
with 4.4. After all this time I didn't even know it would do 4.4. I think next step might be to see if I can push my ram past 1866....

None of the production motherboards were designed for overclokable 8\16 xeon anyway, though 6\12 3970x beast exists and isn't it power hungry. Could be either limitation of CPU, mobo or hardware stressing over the years in such case as Antec 1200.

From what I've learned, front fans mostly keeps HDD and ODD cages cool, what's left coming into the case paired with hot flow from those drives. Even if there is nothing restricting air from CPU heatsink, front fans simply too far away to make there in time. As mentioned, CFM matters. Probably a good idea to get rid of those front filters as well.

PSU should be breathing, and Antec simply doesn't have that option. Door intake fan mostly supplies 980 ti and thus throwing away hot air. Where? Up, delivering heated mass right to the CPU heatsink, driving fan, socket, VRM. Founders Edition blower could be a perfect solution. Not in terms of noise!

I would've switched upper case fan and closest rear fan as intakes and left everything as it is. Nothing else apart from what I've said can be done without spending money. Modding is rather extreme.

Also, my advice is to look for the case with extensive amount of fan options including side door because custom water loop will require a lot more work, time and exorbitant amount of cash. You'll need to add VRM, chipset, CPU and GPU into cooling circle. I've even seen PSU called FSP Hydro suited for that. Not sure what about HDDs, I bet it is possible as well. And I suspect P9X79 Pro won't do the trick, I've only seen water blocks for RIVE and RIVBE. Probably Msi Big Bang got a couple, but that board is non-standard E-ATX due to the amount of PCI-E slots. Won't fit into anything less than full tower monstrosity.

Mind you, you still have to deal with airflow for the back side of the motherboard since a lot of elements generating heat are there, and not like they getting much love in regular boxes. As far as I remember, cases like Rosewill Blackhawk Super-Tower and InWin BX-141 GRone provides somewhat adequate, at least for CPU backplate and components around it.

Yeah, too much for a simple question.

 

[agent_x007]

You can always drop max. vGPU on Reference 980 Ti (under 1V for example), to make it less noisy under load...

 

[Kanan]

None of the production motherboards were designed for overclokable 8\16 xeon anyway

Do you have a source for that? I'm pretty sure all mainboards are designed for the purpose of using all Intel processors that are supported on these boards - and of course including overclocking if the CPU is unlocked. Highend X79 boards have no problems in overclocking a 8 core 22nm CPU, none at all. In fact they're mostly overengineered. As for the P9X79 (Pro), it has weaker power delivery than the highend boards, but still enough for overclocking, if you don't go overboard with the voltages. I then recommend a dedicated fan for the power stages or excellent air flow in the case.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Do you have a source for that? I'm pretty sure all mainboards are designed for the purpose of using all Intel processors that are supported on these boards - and of course including overclocking if the CPU is unlocked. Highend X79 boards have no problems in overclocking a 8 core 22nm CPU, none at all. In fact they're mostly overengineered. As for the P9X79 (Pro), it has weaker power delivery than the highend boards, but still enough for overclocking, if you don't go overboard with the voltages. I then recommend a dedicated fan for the power stages or excellent air flow in the case.

I think my board is proof of that, the CPU died on me before the board did and they are both used and of relatively same age and usage possibly but I can only guess. I don't even have any fans on the VRM's of this board but that is something I'm going to do soon if it helps my OC that's a bonus but mostly just doing it to keep board healthy for as long as possible. However, I'm not sure Asus had $2,700 (at the time) Xeon's that only came in macbook pro's I believe in mind when they built the original Rampage and possibly not even when they updated it with the black version to give as much life as possible to an aging chipset. Regardless, they are definitely more than capable of doing it whether they put much thought into the possibility of those chips being used in their boards.

Yea, sure. I saw some videos where a guy used chilled water to great success, so yes, this makes actually a pretty big difference. You can use a external radiator which is in the cold, outside, if the ambient temps outside are actually cold that time. You can use dry ice to cool down water to very low (minus C) temperatures. You can even try a chiller which blasts the radiator and cools it down significantly - all these setups are fairly impractical, but it's probably a fun experiment to play with.


Still, lower temperatures enable higher overclocks. In other words: lower temperatures are *always* beneficial.

This, to the max. With air on my old Xeon best I could do was 4.4 or so whereas once I went to water I could get 4.62 ghz with less voltage than the 4.4 ghz using the Noctua air cooler.

 

[Kanan]

I don't even have any fans on the VRM's of this board but that is something I'm going to do soon if it helps my OC that's a bonus but mostly just doing it to keep board healthy for as long as possible.

The higher the quality of the power stages, the lesser the produced amount of heat and the lesser the need for additional cooling. That's why I put an emphasis on highend boards. For anything lower, the active cooling is not only recommended, but a must, if you ask me.

This, to the max. With air on my old Xeon best I could do was 4.4 or so whereas once I went to water I could get 4.62 ghz with less voltage than the 4.4 ghz using the Noctua air cooler.

This too is the reason why I still use my Noctua with the new CPU - it simply enables better average boost clocks vs the boxed AMD cooler, even if RGB looks fancy and would've been a nice fit with all the other (mostly byproduct) RGB I got. Ah shit, inb4 I get another warning.

 

[johnspack]

I've only got the p9x79 pro mobo, and my 8 core does just fine at 4.4. I just wanted 4.7 like my sandy 6 core, but that ain't going to happen! And no way I'm letting my 980ti
run under 1512......

 

[MisterE]

I've been a (happy) X79 user since, I believe, 2012 with the 3820, which I upgraded to a 4930k about four years ago. Still love this platform. Decided to step up again with a 1680 v2 after discovering this whole thing recently (from this and other threads talking about this Xeon), and wanted to join the club. Bought a used one off 'the bay' and dropped it in, but no joy. Nothing comes on. Well, the CPU and case fans come on, but nothing shows up on my screen. The graphics card (GTX 970) fans spin up but go back off when I power on, so I guess it's maaaaybe possible the thing is booting but just the graphics card isn't coming on so I don't see anything? Really doubting that's the case, though and I'm not aware of a simple way to check...


Anyway was wondering if anyone had any ideas what may be going on here. I put the 4930k back in just to check and it still boots (I'm on it right now). It has nothing to do with any cables coming undone or anything like that, I made sure to unplug nothing (and again the 4930k works after just putting it back in). I also made sure to reset CMOS before trying the xeon chip. I'm wondering if the chip just isn't compatible with, or if some other component is just causing an issue somehow. Here's what I have:


Asrock x79 Extreme-4m
Patriot Viper 3 DDR3 PC3-12800 4x 8GB
PC Power & Cooling Silencer Mk2 750W PSU
ASUS GeForce GTX 970 STRIX
and 3 SSDs

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I've been a (happy) X79 user since, I believe, 2012 with the 3820, which I upgraded to a 4930k about four years ago. Still love this platform. Decided to step up again with a 1680 v2 after discovering this whole thing recently (from this and other threads talking about this Xeon), and wanted to join the club. Bought a used one off 'the bay' and dropped it in, but no joy. Nothing comes on. Well, the CPU and case fans come on, but nothing shows up on my screen. The graphics card (GTX 970) fans spin up but go back off when I power on, so I guess it's maaaaybe possible the thing is booting but just the graphics card isn't coming on so I don't see anything? Really doubting that's the case, though and I'm not aware of a simple way to check...


Anyway was wondering if anyone had any ideas what may be going on here. I put the 4930k back in just to check and it still boots (I'm on it right now). It has nothing to do with any cables coming undone or anything like that, I made sure to unplug nothing (and again the 4930k works after just putting it back in). I also made sure to reset CMOS before trying the xeon chip. I'm wondering if the chip just isn't compatible with, or if some other component is just causing an issue somehow. Here's what I have:


Asrock x79 Extreme-4m
Patriot Viper 3 DDR3 PC3-12800 4x 8GB
PC Power & Cooling Silencer Mk2 750W PSU
ASUS GeForce GTX 970 STRIX
and 3 SSDs

You should UPDATE your motherboard BIOS first and then try again but judging by THIS seems like your motherboard do not support 1680 V2 for some reason....anyway try updating the bios FIRST on the latest/beta version(IF you didn't try that already)and see how that goes....GL

 

[Kanan]

I've been a (happy) X79 user since, I believe, 2012 with the 3820, which I upgraded to a 4930k about four years ago. Still love this platform. Decided to step up again with a 1680 v2 after discovering this whole thing recently (from this and other threads talking about this Xeon), and wanted to join the club. Bought a used one off 'the bay' and dropped it in, but no joy. Nothing comes on. Well, the CPU and case fans come on, but nothing shows up on my screen. The graphics card (GTX 970) fans spin up but go back off when I power on, so I guess it's maaaaybe possible the thing is booting but just the graphics card isn't coming on so I don't see anything? Really doubting that's the case, though and I'm not aware of a simple way to check...


Anyway was wondering if anyone had any ideas what may be going on here. I put the 4930k back in just to check and it still boots (I'm on it right now). It has nothing to do with any cables coming undone or anything like that, I made sure to unplug nothing (and again the 4930k works after just putting it back in). I also made sure to reset CMOS before trying the xeon chip. I'm wondering if the chip just isn't compatible with, or if some other component is just causing an issue somehow. Here's what I have:


Asrock x79 Extreme-4m
Patriot Viper 3 DDR3 PC3-12800 4x 8GB
PC Power & Cooling Silencer Mk2 750W PSU
ASUS GeForce GTX 970 STRIX
and 3 SSDs

Good luck with the bios upgrade, the P9X79 has no official support for it either. I'm curious if you can get this to work. Seems some lazy bios engineers didn't include it or didn't want to for some reason.

 

[Caring1]

@MisterE
Asrock is usually good for supporting Xeon out of the box, I had the X79 extreme11 running one for ages until the board died.
I've got that CPU in a Chinese Motherboard now so can't check it, and the spare CPU I have in a drawer only says Intel Confidential on it

Edit: I checked back and the CPU was an E5 2680 V2.

 

[phill]

I thought since there'd been a lot of chatter in the thread and not so many pictures put up, I'd like to share some of my X79 hardware..



I like to think some of these are some of the best X79's around, same goes for the X99 as well really but I'm looking to try and build something and rather them sit in boxes, I'd like to come up with something.. So any suggestions what I could build or setup one of these with?? I did find a 4930k I'd forgotten about in the Rampage Black.. I had one previously and it sucked for overclocking as it could barely do 4.40GHz without a mass of voltage so as I've never even looked at this one, perhaps I should!!

I thought anyways it was worth a share I like my hardware so, I like to share and see what people think of the hardware too. It's been a while since I've played around with X79 I must admit, I kind of skipped it in a way (had a X79 Asus Deluxe with a 4960X for a bit and then sold it to a mate who still has it) and went to X99 which I bought and then never used for 3 nearly 4 years with one thing and another going on in my life.. Still, suppose it's lasted well for me!

Still, if I ever find the time to get them out the box and turned on, I'll grab screen shots and such like here first

 

[MisterE]

You should UPDATE your motherboard BIOS first and then try again but judging by THIS seems like your motherboard do not support 1680 V2 for some reason....anyway try updating the bios FIRST on the latest/beta version(IF you didn't try that already)and see how that goes....GL

Good luck with the bios upgrade, the P9X79 has no official support for it either. I'm curious if you can get this to work. Seems some lazy bios engineers didn't include it or didn't want to for some reason.

I did see that the official support page doesn't list this CPU, but if you look, they say NONE of the Asrock Extreme x79 line supports it. And I've definitely seen people across the net at a few places saying they had it running on various boards in that line, including the Extreme4 (might've even been the 4-m, can't remember).

I was 99% certain I already had the latest BIOS version, but checked and discovered that there is a beta version that's more recent, so I updated and... nothing. Same result. Right now I'm wondering if it could have something to do with the vcore setting not being adequate. When I reset cmos with the button on the mobo it reverts to an 'auto' setting for vcore. I'm going to try setting it to fixed and giving a bit higher voltage than I use with the 4930k since I always seem to see people saying it needs a little more juice.

 

[Caring1]

I did see that the official support page doesn't list this CPU, but if you look, they say NONE of the Asrock Extreme x79 line supports it. And I've definitely seen people across the net at a few places saying they had it running on various boards in that line, including the Extreme4 (might've even been the 4-m, can't remember).

See my post above.

 

[Kanan]

I did see that the official support page doesn't list this CPU, but if you look, they say NONE of the Asrock Extreme x79 line supports it. And I've definitely seen people across the net at a few places saying they had it running on various boards in that line, including the Extreme4 (might've even been the 4-m, can't remember).

I was 99% certain I already had the latest BIOS version, but checked and discovered that there is a beta version that's more recent, so I updated and... nothing. Same result. Right now I'm wondering if it could have something to do with the vcore setting not being adequate. When I reset cmos with the button on the mobo it reverts to an 'auto' setting for vcore. I'm going to try setting it to fixed and giving a bit higher voltage than I use with the 4930k since I always seem to see people saying it needs a little more juice.

Too bad, this sucks hard. I would say get another mainboard, but they're not exactly cheap, or really old/abused more often than not. At this point, I'd recommend you, better sell the Xeon, save for a new system. Edit: if you don't get it running.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I am going to experiment with a few of my fans in my build, I had 2 that semi-crapped out and are stuck at low speed and I'm not going to bother atm with fixing them and I got several 210 cfm fans along with I'm going to replace two front 50 Cfm crappy fans with a couple 110 cfm fans I temporarily put on watercooler just to get decent airflow on it. Also temps in air are down here now and I got my A.C. unit in wall anyway so even if we get heat/humidity the A.C. is in my room window literally 2 feet from the computer lol.

So regardless of what I settle with for final fan placement (especially on how loud the 210 hummers are or if I can slow them down a bit with mobo fan control) I should have some interesting results to post, I'm betting I can drop the temps pretty substantially if I can blast the rads with even more air along with improve the airflow in the case by quite a bit.

 

[k_9virus]

dang stop posting this on public ebay sellers will bump up their prices lol

 

[MisterE]

does anyone have experience getting a 1680 v2 running on any of the Asrock X79 Extreme boards? i had to send the 1680 i bought back since i couldn't get it working on my extreme4-m, but i have no idea if it was something with my setup, or if it was the chip itself (which seems unlikely to me).

the chip is not officially supported by Asrock for that board, on their list of CPUs, but i have seen at least one person elsewhere online saying they got it working on an Extreme board (can't remember the number). i should *think* it would work in any lga 2011 board?

 

[phill]

dang stop posting this on public ebay sellers will bump up their prices lol

I thought that's how it worked ??

Everything I look for seems to be completely over the top priced! That said, when you do or can find something, it's great to try and find it