X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[Kanan]

@Kanan

problem is i need to use 1 GPU for comparison my vega64 is in watercooling loop. once im due for maintenance ill do some benchies for now here's some screenshots

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looks good! the old TR CPUs are very binned, these are the best 1st gen Ryzen DIEs. I guess you overclocked it? Also, yeah, I can imagine this as a hassle but maybe you're not as lazy as I am

 

[k_9virus]

looks good! the old TR CPUs are very binned, these are the best 1st gen Ryzen DIEs. I guess you overclocked it? Also, yeah, I can imagine this as a hassle but maybe you're not as lazy as I am

thanks! yup of course i just wish HEDT platforms runs cooler why is it always hot? i lapped my 3960x to achieved the core clock i posted^

 

[Kanan]

thanks! yup of course i just wish HEDT platforms runs cooler why is it always hot? i lapped my 3960x to achieved the core clock i posted^

because the IO part of them is very big, has to support quad channel and it has more cache. I hope this wasn't a rhetorical question. in other words, if you want something "cooler", buy the mainstream platform.

 

[phill]

Both the Intel X79 and the AMD Ryzen have their places with people guys, no need to have an 'heated discussion' about it

I have both and all three Ryzen platforms... I have too many Intel platforms to count and the difference between them mostly is the clock speeds I find. Some of the older Intel kit can still cut it today, might not be as efficient as either new CPUs but wouldn't you expect that from it being newer?? Same goes for the NVME drives as well. That said, I guess with a bit of time and giggery pokery, you would be able to get it to work on the older platforms as well

Chill guys

 

[Kanan]

Both the Intel X79 and the AMD Ryzen have their places with people guys, no need to have an 'heated discussion' about it

I have both and all three Ryzen platforms... I have too many Intel platforms to count and the difference between them mostly is the clock speeds I find. Some of the older Intel kit can still cut it today, might not be as efficient as either new CPUs but wouldn't you expect that from it being newer?? Same goes for the NVME drives as well. That said, I guess with a bit of time and giggery pokery, you would be able to get it to work on the older platforms as well

Chill guys

Sure sure, if not for the price tag of 350€ and my P9X79 breaking down, I would've probably bought that 8 core. I discussed buying this CPU here for years, before said things happened and forced me to abandon the platform anyway. My way was, using this platform as much and as long as possible and only then switch to something else, I always do this for PCs, the switch, or in other words, new PC, is the last resort option for me.

2013, I started with the i7 3820. 2016, I switched to the 3960X, the 3820 sold for 50 bucks in ebay to my dismay. This switch was for Battlefield 1, which needed more oomph. Now basically, BF5 was the main factor for my plans this year, because no way I will buy a 350€ CPU for a old platform, when I can buy a 3700X at 280 bucks. You can only use a platform for so long, not forever. Too much stress, power, going through the parts - that it lasted 7 years was pretty good anyway and is my personal record for any platform I ever used.

 

[karakarga]

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Update: Huananzhi X99-T8D prices dropped $135.15 including shipping. So,

Asus Z9PE-D8 WS ($600) + 2 x E5-2696 v2 $ (2 x 130) = $860
Jingsha X79Dual S8 ($155) + 2 x E5-2696 v2 $ (2 x 130) = $415 *
Huananzhi X99-T8D ($135) + 2 x 2678 v3 (2 x $97.5) = $330*
Huananzhi X99-T8 ($105) + 1 x 2678 v3 ($97.5) = $202.5 **

E5-2696 v2 CPU's also dropped $110 each, (at aliexpress)

Asus Z9PE-D8 WS ($600) + 2 x E5-2696 v2 $ (2 x 110) = $820
Jingsha X79Dual S8 ($155) + 2 x E5-2696 v2 $ (2 x 110) = $375 *
Huananzhi X99-T8D ($135) + 2 x 2678 v3 (2 x $97.5) = $330*
Huananzhi X99-T8 ($105) + 1 x 2678 v3 ($97.5) = $202.5 **

Additional note: There is another board from Jingsha named X99Dual works with DDR4 Rams. Do not think about this board, because, according to reviews, it can not use all core turbo with two CPU's on board, only with single CPU it can enable all core turbo! (It has also another disadvantage of only 1 full height PCI express slot on it.) I did not wish to add it to the table....

 

[k_9virus]

all good chief! @phill

it is just nice to see old HEDT platform can still perform with a little tweak and comparing it with what we have right now. to me i just cant let go of my old x79 because saved a lot of money just to get this platform 8 years ago

 

[Kanan]

all good chief! @phill

it is just nice to see old HEDT platform can still perform with a little tweak and comparing it with what we have right now. to me i just cant let go of my old x79 because saved a lot of money just to get this platform 8 years ago

For me the same. When I bought X79, the alternatives were: used sandy/ivy mainstream platform (Z platforms) with only 4 cores and no upgrade path. The CPUs were very expensive too, at 200 each for the 2600K/2700K for example. This is used of course. And then no PCI-E 3.0. Kinda bad. Then a friend told me about the 3820, a undercover, relatively cheap, not well known, very good i7 processor with HTT, that can be overclocked to 4.3 GHz, which was enough for gaming back then. And the upgrade path, and PCI-E 3.0 (with Nvidia tool trick). Also the fact, that the boards were very cheap back then, it was regularly available and not rare like today, so the prices were cheap as well, because of the nice buyers competition back then (I bought mine at just 90€, and it was like new). Now the boards, for example my own, are at 150€ USED. The highend boards are at 200-250 €, again, used. This platform was a nice bargain back then, today? I would not buy it. Mainboards are too old, and you don't know what the previous owner(s) did with it, how hard they abused it, or not. The CPUs on the other hand are dirt cheap. I just checked it, 3820 at 1-10 bucks, 3930K which is a very good CPU for gaming still, if overclocked, just 30€. 3960X, 60€. 4930K, 40€. Only the 4960X of the original gaming CPUs is expensive at over 200. The Xeon's are not good for gaming due to the low clocks - the only good Xeon is at over 250€.

If you want to dearly buy used now, go for recent Intel Z mainboards, 7th gen or higher, but I can not recommend a quad core for 200 Euro. 3300X is better than the 7700K (stock vs stock) at ~130€ - and not (ab)used. Or AMD 2nd gen+ and at least 6 cores for 1st/2nd gen. Quick analysis of the market situation today in ebay.

PS. Edit: alternatives also in 2013: Haswell for 350€ of course new, quad core. I'm not stupid enough to buy this. I understood the scam of Intel very well back then. Boards, at well over 130€. I rather buy used at 150€ then, more than enough for gaming, and upgrade to a 6 core later, which easily surpasses the 4770K/4790K today.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

E5-2696 v2 CPU's also dropped $110 each, (at aliexpress)

Asus Z9PE-D8 WS ($600) + 2 x E5-2696 v2 $ (2 x 110) = $820
Jingsha X79Dual S8 ($155) + 2 x E5-2696 v2 $ (2 x 110) = $375 *
Huananzhi X99-T8D ($135) + 2 x 2678 v3 (2 x $97.5) = $330*
Huananzhi X99-T8 ($105) + 1 x 2678 v3 ($97.5) = $202.5 **

Additional note: There is another board from Jingsha named X99Dual works with DDR4 Rams. Do not think about this board, because, according to reviews, it can not use all core turbo with two CPU's on board, only with single CPU it can enable all core turbo! (It has also another disadvantage of only 1 full height PCI express slot on it.) I did not wish to add it to the table....

I am still considering 2696 V2 as an possible upgrade but even if I do (113)bclk OC his max all core speed it's going to be probably around 3,3Ghz.....and with 2697 V2 that can be probably around 3,5Ghz but dang 2697V2 is still not droping that much with prices.....

 

[k_9virus]

correct! as long as its cheap why not right? spending less than 400$ US for this platform is not worth it anymore.

3100 and 3300 series amd cpu are here for sure its wayyy faster than my 3960x

 

[Kanan]

correct! as long as its cheap why not right? spending less than 400$ US for this platform is not worth it anymore.

3100 and 3300 series amd cpu are here for sure its wayyy faster than my 3960x

I think they are very comparable to 3960X, about same speed if 3960X is at 4500+. I did some math, the 3960X, because of the 6 cores, is at about the speed of a overclocked 7700K for gaming.

But this is a CPU running at 150-200W vs a CPU that needs under 100 W for gaming - you can see its age very good if you look at the power consumption needed, to achieve great performance. 3960X stock - simply not good enough anymore. 3300X? It doesn't even want a overclock, it's not faster with a OC, sometimes even slower. I love Ryzen, overclocks are just annoying anyway. RAM overclocking/improving timings is the thing now.

 

[k_9virus]

I think they are very comparable to 3960X, about same speed if 3960X is at 4500+. I did some math, the 3960X, because of the 6 cores, is at about the speed of a overclocked 7700K for gaming.

oh wow i think im gonna look for a new set of overclocking ddr3 then i only have 1600mhz vengeance ram cant make it stable at 1866mhz

 

[Kanan]

oh wow i think im gonna look for a new set of overclocking ddr3 then i only have 1600mhz vengeance ram cant make it stable at 1866mhz

don't do it, because of quad channel you don't need it anyway. Honestly, don't invest money in the old platform! Maybe consider new one, Ryzen 4000 will be great.

 

[the54thvoid]

This thread is called:

X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

Nowhere do I see it as an invite to discuss Ryzen CPU's. Discussing the merits of anything other than a CPU for the X79 platform is off-topic and close enough to trolling to irritate people.

Stop fighting, stay on-topic, or we start getting naughty points.

 

[phill]

This thread is called:



Nowhere do I see it as an invite to discuss Ryzen CPU's. Discussing the merits of anything other than a CPU for the X79 platform is off-topic and close enough to trolling to irritate people.

Stop fighting, stay on-topic, or we start getting naughty points.

Apologies @the54thvoid my reply wasn't as clear as it should have been

There's a lot of passion and opinions here...

So back on track...

With the 1680 V2's, is there a particular batch of these CPUs to buy to get the best overclocking ones or are they all just pot luck?

 

[Kanan]

With the 1680 V2's, is there a particular batch of these CPUs to buy to get the best overclocking ones or are they all just pot luck?

It's always a lottery with CPUs/GPUs, or you're buying from a certified source who guarantees you to get "this" overclock. It is Ivy Bridge based, rather expensive CPU, I would say it is somewhat likely it can do a nice overclock. But have fun maintaining it, especially on boards that are up to 8 years old and are not called "Rampage".

 

[phill]

It's always a lottery with CPUs/GPUs, or you're buying from a certified source who guarantees you to get "this" overclock. It is Ivy Bridge based, rather expensive CPU, I would say it is somewhat likely it can do a nice overclock. But have fun maintaining it, especially on boards that are up to 8 years old and are not called "Rampage".

I have a few boards called Rampage, so I'm sure they'll be fine

 

[dalekdukesboy]

This thread is called:



Nowhere do I see it as an invite to discuss Ryzen CPU's. Discussing the merits of anything other than a CPU for the X79 platform is off-topic and close enough to trolling to irritate people.

Stop fighting, stay on-topic, or we start getting naughty points.

I can change the name of the thread if you'd like lol. Honestly I can say I am a bud with Kanan he's just a bit quick to defend his hardware and his opinions, which is all good till it spills out and both sides get impassioned. Also I actually was anxious to see his benchmarks on the new 8 core to just see how it stacks up with the old 8 core Xeon's and since it still involves the X79 in discussion/comparisons however I find it quite interesting. However, with the fighting if it stays civil it's OK to disagree, it's not OK to be uncivil or let it get too heated.

 

[drizzler]

You are going to find this discussion all day long within all X58 and X79 related threads people talking about ryzen. Yes, they are very nice cpus but if you DO NOT CARE about wattage and maybe AVX (X58) and having a well done overclock the 6-Core 1600/2600 are somewhat a sidegrade to X58 and up to 8 Cores the 1xxx to 3xxx are a sidegrade to X79, NVME is even possible on both older Intel plattforms (with limits at X58) with the right SSD, uefi loader or bios mod.

But back to topic :

I am sitting at 4,4GHZ with my 1680v2 (1.24v load), 2400mhz ddr3 and somewhat hitting a wall trying to go 4500+. Given BSODS are related to vcore (mostly 0x124).
Is it hard to archive higher cpu-freq. with the given ddr3 frequency? northbridge/cachespeed issue?
A quick testing showed that maybe at a vcore round about 1.325 the 4.5 are stable, but this looks like a huge voltage bump for 100mhz, so i guess i am maybe missing an optimation here.
Tested 100 strap and 125 strap so far, would prefer 100strap for powersaving but this is not a must

Regarding to cpu pll, how sensitive is ivybridge to small changes? Coming from X58 you often are able to stabilize 24/7 overclocks around 4,6ghz by lowering the cpu pll, especiallly with the popular X-xeons. But on x58 you have much less voltage granularity with this option (at least with boards coming with analog pwm, i used a gigabyte x58a oc for daily) , so testing is going a lot faster compared to the overwhelming voltage granularity with x79. So if for example 1.7 is not working well is it worth to test 1.725 or just a waste of time?

I am on watercooling for cpu and board, so there is no real temp issue, despite a large delta between 2 cores and the rest, so i am going to check and reaply the cooler, if this does not help equipment for lapping is already here liquid metal will follow.

I am grateful for any help here

 

[dalekdukesboy]

You are going to find this discussion all day long within all X58 and X79 related threads people talking about ryzen. Yes, they are very nice cpus but if you DO NOT CARE about wattage and maybe AVX (X58) and having a well done overclock the 6-Core 1600/2600 are somewhat a sidegrade to X58 and up to 8 Cores the 1xxx to 3xxx are a sidegrade to X79, NVME is even possible on both older Intel plattforms (with limits at X58) with the right SSD, uefi loader or bios mod.

But back to topic :

I am sitting at 4,4GHZ with my 1680v2 (1.24v load), 2400mhz ddr3 and somewhat hitting a wall trying to go 4500+. Given BSODS are related to vcore (mostly 0x124).
Is it hard to archive higher cpu-freq. with the given ddr3 frequency? northbridge/cachespeed issue?
A quick testing showed that maybe at a vcore round about 1.325 the 4.5 are stable, but this looks like a huge voltage bump for 100mhz, so i guess i am maybe missing an optimation here.
Tested 100 strap and 125 strap so far, would prefer 100strap for powersaving but this is not a must

Regarding to cpu pll, how sensitive is ivybridge to small changes? Coming from X58 you often are able to stabilize 24/7 overclocks around 4,6ghz by lowering the cpu pll, especiallly with the popular X-xeons. But on x58 you have much less voltage granularity with this option (at least with boards coming with analog pwm, i used a gigabyte x58a oc for daily) , so testing is going a lot faster compared to the overwhelming voltage granularity with x79. So if for example 1.7 is not working well is it worth to test 1.725 or just a waste of time?

I am on watercooling for cpu and board, so there is no real temp issue, despite a large delta between 2 cores and the rest, so i am going to check and reaply the cooler, if this does not help equipment for lapping is already here liquid metal will follow.

I am grateful for any help here

You either have a ridiculously good clocking CPU and/or you have it under ice water....1.24 volts for 4.4 ghz is diddly squat for what you can use on these CPU's. 1.325 is a fairly big jump but so is 100 mhz once you get to that point in the mhz for these chips. I haven't tried that speed for my new sample but my old CPU needed voltage approaching 1.4 to get 4.6 ghz plus....this new sample however is able to get well above 4.7 ghz with 1.4 + which minus super frozen cooling is about best I could envision for this platform/22nm node. For hoo has I'll try for 4.4 and 4.5 ghz and post it here and see what it takes but I don't think it'll be too much different than what you posted...but we'll find out .

Oh, and all the voltages I left at auto for PLL etc so I haven't dialed any of that in yet but one of biggest issues is VRM settings....at least with the Rampage you can set a lot of things in there and if you don't give it enough juice I find you'll just get shutdowns when you try to stress system so it's pretty critical to get those right.

 

[Kanan]

You are going to find this discussion all day long within all X58 and X79 related threads people talking about ryzen. Yes, they are very nice cpus but if you DO NOT CARE about wattage and maybe AVX (X58) and having a well done overclock the 6-Core 1600/2600 are somewhat a sidegrade to X58 and up to 8 Cores the 1xxx to 3xxx are a sidegrade to X79, NVME is even possible on both older Intel plattforms (with limits at X58) with the right SSD, uefi loader or bios mod.

Your point being? I guess none.

First of all, Ryzen or even new Intel mainstream platform, comes up a lot because it makes a lot of sense, you're trying to deflect so hardly, you don't even recognize that you're on a lost track.

Can you also prevent old mainboards from breaking and a inefficient and old CPU from heating up the room?

Can you make it magically have PCI-E 4.0 support? See you think you have a point, but in reality you're just deflecting and creating a fantasy in which X79 will stay relevant forever. A lot of people here did this, heck, for a time I was one of them. But X79 is a dead end, especially for AAA gamers. It's not fast enough to support a 2080 Ti. It is sure as f not fast enough to support the upcoming GPUs. And not everyone can afford the best mainboards with the best cooling on the best CPUs to recreate your perfect world high overclock scenario you made up to make X79 stay relevant forever. Anyway, my last comment here, it's getting beyond ridiculous and toxic.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I scored P30 772 in 3DMark 11 Performance

Intel Xeon Processor E5-1680 v2, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti x 1, 16384 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

Best totally stable result so far using fair amount of memory, 4.773 ghz. Also I'd like to post what my space heater and fantasy of relevance CPU did on 3Dmark 11....

 

[Aquinus]

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I scored P30 772 in 3DMark 11 Performance

Intel Xeon Processor E5-1680 v2, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti x 1, 16384 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

Best totally stable result so far using fair amount of memory, 4.773 ghz. Also I'd like to post what my space heater and fantasy of relevance CPU did on 3Dmark 11....

What kind of voltages are you feeding the VCCSA and VTT for that kind of overclock?

 

[dalekdukesboy]

What kind of voltages are you feeding the VCCSA and VTT for that kind of overclock?

Believe it or not I just put those on auto and they are working fine...I can look but they were surprisingly low not a whole lot being pumped into it.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

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