Rumor: AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO Lineup Leaked

[kayjay010101]

Yes, it's interesting if there are, somewhere, data-centre rooms just outside cooled directly by the Earth's atmosphere. Say Norway or southern Chile, Argentina, or somewhere high in Switzerland.
All the electricity cost for ventilation will be virtually zero.

I actually work in a data centre in Northern Norway. The problem with this solution is that it can't be done permanently. Unless you go way, way, way north (or south, I suppose), you still have a reasonably hot summertime and the environmental cooling would therefore only work during 3/4ths of the year. So the solution is to either have downtime for 3 months (not going to happen) or go with traditional cooling (you can't swap cooling methods every year, too much work and too much downtime). For us; most of our servers use a watercooling system that feeds cold water from a local spring, which is then heated up by the servers, and that hot water is then used to warm the air inside the buildings, and the water we use. This way we reduce costs for heating both the buildings themselves and the water we use for coffee and such. It's also essentially free cooling as water is virtually free here, there's only the initial piping and such that costs, there's no bill after that. For the rest of the servers, we use traditional high-airflow server fans, so ventilation still costs a non-zero amount.

 

[EarthDog]

This lineup is confusing. I swear it feels like all of the good that amd tout, is falling to pieces now that they are competitive in the market...

Yes, it's interesting if there are, somewhere, data-centre rooms just outside cooled directly by the Earth's atmosphere. Say Norway or southern Chile, Argentina, or somewhere high in Switzerland.
All the electricity cost for ventilation will be virtually zero.

I did this for a living... data center management. Those exist ("free cooling" exists i should say) and dragon is spot on.

What I've seen is that cooling systems for a dat center work in conjunction with the outside air. When its cool enough more outside air is brought in and conditioned (humidity, etc) and the other cooling is shutdown/turned down.

You pay for "Amperage" consumption in a rack. So lets say i can hire 1U space and my limitation is 1A for my server. It would mean that my server cannot use more then 1A on 220V or so. A CPU that has a fairly high amount of cores with a reasonable TDP gets me work done in less, sort of say.

sure... if you're renting server space. If you own/are a data center...

 

[chodaboy19]

• 64 cores
• 8 channel DDR4
• 2TB Max memory
• 128 lanes PCIe 4.0

Wow... final nail in the coffin for intel until they can come up with their next-gen platform.

 

[mechtech]

I actually work in a data centre in Northern Norway. The problem with this solution is that it can't be done permanently. Unless you go way, way, way north (or south, I suppose), you still have a reasonably hot summertime and the environmental cooling would therefore only work during 3/4ths of the year. So the solution is to either have downtime for 3 months (not going to happen) or go with traditional cooling (you can't swap cooling methods every year, too much work and too much downtime). For us; most of our servers use a watercooling system that feeds cold water from a local spring, which is then heated up by the servers, and that hot water is then used to warm the air inside the buildings, and the water we use. This way we reduce costs for heating both the buildings themselves and the water we use for coffee and such. It's also essentially free cooling as water is virtually free here, there's only the initial piping and such that costs, there's no bill after that. For the rest of the servers, we use traditional high-airflow server fans, so ventilation still costs a non-zero amount.

As a mechanical engineer, I'd love to see a P&ID for that system

 

[medi01]

It takes lots of air-conditioning power to move heat around. The easiest way forward is to simply generate less heat.

It's not about electricity bill that much.
E.g. Twitter openly stated, hey, we can cram more compute power into existing data centers with EPYC so f*ck Intel.
Imagine the costs of expanding the buildings/new construction etc.

 

[dragontamer5788]

It's not about electricity bill that much.
E.g. Twitter openly stated, hey, we can cram more compute power into existing data centers with EPYC so f*ck Intel.
Imagine the costs of expanding the buildings/new construction etc.

Buildings, and rooms, are constructed with a limited amount of power (or really, amps) that they support. Depending on your company, air-conditioning costs are included, or may not be included... but the reality is that all of that fits under the power-budget (air conditioning can grow only as large as the electricity can provide).

Power delivery is one of the major costs of construction when building a building. Buildings are surprisingly cheap: with mega-malls dying, you have plenty of real-estate to buy these days. Even then, its often cheaper to construct warehouses in the middle of nowhere. But for data-centers, such space is worthless because there's simply not enough power-delivery to support computers and air conditioning. There's a reason why a huge amount of data-centers are located near power plants, hydroelectric plants, and the like. Moving your computers closer to power-generation sources has non-trivial savings involved.

"More compute power within existing data centers" almost certainly means "more compute per unit power / electricity". Its hard to imagine any other interpretation.

 

[thesmokingman]

I don't understand the fuss and complaints. These Pro chips filled a GAPING whole AMD has in the high end workstation space. Threadripper is HEDT, not really workstation with its 256gb ram limitation.

 

[BrainCruser]

280W TDP for the 12 and 16 core CPUs? I highly doubt that. I don't see AMD pushing higher than 140W on those two CPUs.

 

[Bones]

Athlon - entry
Ryzen - mainstream, mid-range
Threadripper - high-end
Threadripper Pro - professional, high-end
EPYC - server, government, serious money...

Fixed that for you.

Things are about right for the lineup but I can see why some may be like W?T?F? over it.

 

[EarthDog]

I don't understand the fuss and complaints. These Pro chips filled a GAPING whole AMD has in the high end workstation space. Threadripper is HEDT, not really workstation with its 256gb ram limitation.

Really? A gaping hole?! Pretty sure their lineup covers about anything with mainstream, HEDT, and server. Few workstations are going to use 256GB of ram... much anything above that is server (xeon/epyc) land.

Workstation is HEDT. Its the line in the sand before server.

 

[player-x]

Few workstations are going to use 256GB of ram... much anything above that is server (xeon/epyc) land.

If you do 8K video editing on RAW video, you're running out of ram real fast with 120GB/min of data, also in scientific research you have huge data sets, my daughter is doing geographical study, and has run many times against the 512GB limit she has in her 2990WX machine.

Not gone say the majority of people are gone running in to that limit, but there are plenty that do.

280W TDP for the 12 and 16 core CPUs? I highly doubt that. I don't see AMD pushing higher than 140W on those two CPUs.

These are basically dual 3600XT or 3800XT CPU's, that do 95W and 105W TDP times two, so a 190W and 210W TDP for these parts would not be unreasonable, and 300W+ with a good OC would not be strange.

 

[EarthDog]

If you do 8K video editing on RAW video, you're running out of ram real fast with 120GB/min of data, also in scientific research you have huge data sets, my daughter is doing geographical study, and has run many times against the 512GB limit she has in her 2990WX machine.

Not gone say the majority of people are gone running in to that limit, but there are plenty that do.


These are basically dual 3600XT or 3800XT CPU's, that do 95W and 105W TDP times two, so a 190W and 210W TDP for these parts would not be unreasonable, and 300W+ with a good OC would not be strange.

Sounds Epyc, what she does.

Few do... it isnt a "gaping" hole is my point.

 

[player-x]

Few do... it isnt a "gaping" hole is my point.

No, I think that it's a real smart idea, especially the 12 and 16 core parts, they fill a gap in the TR platform for people that need more PCIe lanes then AM4 got, but don't need, and don't wane pay 1400+ for a 24 core CPU.

By now they have high yield rates of dies that can clock much higher than they need for EPYC, so why not ask a price premium for parts you otherwise have to put in a AM4 or sTRX4 solutions, now you can ask more and also give Intel a bid more pain with a cheep to make part.

Someone like me, depending on prices, I will be looking at the 12 or 16 core parts for video encoding/gaming rig, on the other end of the spectrum you got the people the need a lot of power, and they are willing to pay premium for high clock speeds and more memory bandwidth over EPYC solutions.

 

[thesmokingman]

Really? A gaping hole?! Pretty sure their lineup covers about anything with mainstream, HEDT, and server. Few workstations are going to use 256GB of ram... much anything above that is server (xeon/epyc) land.

Workstation is HEDT. Its the line in the sand before server.

You need too stop acting like your opinion is defining. Workstations can be equipped with up to 2tb of memory. This is a gaping hole for AMD because they don't have a solution for this w/o going to low frequency Epyc parts. Take the Mac Pro for example, AMD can't touch it due to TR's extremely limited ram capability even though the cpus rofl stomp the Intel all day long.

 

[EarthDog]

You need too stop acting like your opinion is defining. Workstations can be equipped with up to 2tb of memory. This is a gaping hole for AMD because they don't have a solution for this w/o going to low frequency Epyc parts. Take the Mac Pro for example, AMD can't touch it due to TR's extremely limited ram capability even though the cpus rofl stomp the Intel all day long.

Lol, I'm not saying my word is the gospel.. I dont agree with the severity in which you say there is a hole. Its just that simple....nor defining their ram capabilities as 'extremely limited.