1usmus Power Plan for AMD Ryzen - New Developments

[Wickedt]

No I have not installed it yet. I have slipstreamed an SSD and I believe I've copied my important appdata and my document folders (alot of programs are installed on spinning rust and survive reinstalls (also backup my start menu and use classic shell). I've not encountered any issues with the new drivers and they don't have any warning but I can believe that's why they have appeared.

I've avoided the latest AMD drivers for my RX vega as apparently they cause random black screen. How do u know I got Division 2?

4 or 5 comments up, you were talking about frame rates

 

[Megatron]

Oh ok, lol.

 

[529th]

Thread planning policy used for short-term threads in heterogeneous systems has been changed. Also we force scheduler to use the best cores (if possible) .
By default, the auto option is enabled there. That is, windows may use the best cores, or it may not.

I've enabled all attributes to be visible in the power plan settings. I've noticed 'activity window' seems to have an effect on gaming performance when the values are changed. Was 30,000 microseconds the default window even when not enabled? And is it also the same on an Intel system? Is there a tree of other settings in the 'Processor Power Settings' that are dependent on 30,000 microseconds?

Does disabling 'Processor performance autonomous mode' change the 'activity window' to some default state, whether being dynamic or static?

I've also wondered if that window of activity has an effect on the input lag chain with peripherals.

Thanks for your time

 

[Marucins]

Can this profile, after a system update, cause Windows 10 to spill (damage)?

Previously, I had this plan enabled - it worked.
But when I started installing the drivers from nvidia and updating the system, after 2 days the system crashed. I couldn't even restore it. In the meantime I was doing OC RAM. I'm using an EDC= 1 bug.

 

[Megatron]

Use memtest for dos before loading windows when RAM overclocking. I use test #7 exclusively, it takes less than 5min. Just as a precaution so I don't do what happened to you.

 

[Wickedt]

Can this profile, after a system update, cause Windows 10 to spill (damage)?

Previously, I had this plan enabled - it worked.
But when I started installing the drivers from nvidia and updating the system, after 2 days the system crashed. I couldn't even restore it. In the meantime I was doing OC RAM. I'm using an EDC= 1 bug.

The new windows update for may is full of issues, and would have caused this if you updated to it, if you are one of the systems with the issues they've listed.. Nvidia updates cause issues also.

 

[529th]

What is Power Efficiency Class 1 and how does it differ from the other similar PPM settings? In this review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1usmus-custom-power-plan-for-ryzen-3000-zen-2-processors/ It's mentioned in the pic.

In the registry there are 2 similar registry entries.
One is defined as: "Specify how much processors should favor energy savings over performance when operating in autonomous mode"

the other: "Specify how much Processor Power Efficiency Class 1 processors should favor energy savings over performance when operating in autonomous mode"

EDIT: is one for AMD and the other for Intel?

 

[Wickedt]

What is Power Efficiency Class 1 and how does it differ from the other similar PPM settings? In this review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1usmus-custom-power-plan-for-ryzen-3000-zen-2-processors/ It's mentioned in the pic.

In the registry there are 2 similar registry entries.
One is defined as: "Specify how much processors should favor energy savings over performance when operating in autonomous mode"

the other: "Specify how much Processor Power Efficiency Class 1 processors should favor energy savings over performance when operating in autonomous mode"

EDIT: is one for AMD and the other for Intel?

Processor power management options

The Windows 10 processor power management (PPM) algorithms implement OS-level functionality that allows the OS to efficiently use the available processing resources on a platform by balancing the user's expectations of performance and energy efficiency.

docs.microsoft.com

 

[529th]

Processor power management options

The Windows 10 processor power management (PPM) algorithms implement OS-level functionality that allows the OS to efficiently use the available processing resources on a platform by balancing the user's expectations of performance and energy efficiency.

docs.microsoft.com

I've had that link the past few days when searching, and read it. What exactly am I missing?

 

[Wickedt]

I've had that link the past few days when searching, and read it. What exactly am I missing?

Has to do with maximum processor frequency in efficiency class 1.

Processor Power Efficiency Class describes the relative power efficiency of the associated processor.

Lower efficiency class numbers are more efficient than higher ones (e.g.efficiency class 0 should be

treated as more efficient than efficiency class 1). However, absolute values of this number have no

meaning: 2 isn't necessarily half as efficient as 1.

This seems weird to me, because of how power efficient Ryzen CPUs are, but i believe this is all about laptop CPUS,

 

[GuitarHome]

Hi guys, I apologize for my English. I have a B450 Bios F50 on a Ryzen 7 3700x. I just enabled in the bios: Global C-state Control, CPPC Preferred Cores, and AMD Cool'n'Quiet. I had only one CPPC option, but I didn't, I only enabled CPPC Preferred Cores, am I right? I installed the power plan and I'm using the Universal plan. Are these in theory the best combinations? Thank you

 

[529th]

Hi guys, I apologize for my English. I have a B450 Bios F50 on a Ryzen 7 3700x. I just enabled in the bios: Global C-state Control, CPPC Preferred Cores, and AMD Cool'n'Quiet. I had only one CPPC option, but I didn't, I only enabled CPPC Preferred Cores, am I right? I installed the power plan and I'm using the Universal plan. Are these in theory the best combinations? Thank you

If your aim is for gaming then no. If for gaming then turn off Global C states, and AMD Cool'n'quiet'. Enable any CPPC option.

 

[GuitarHome]

It is just to play at the best possible performance. Should I turn off global C and AMD Cool'n'quiet 'states, and enable the two options that appear in my CPPC bios? CPPC Preferred Cores and CPPC. Which power plan should I use? Thank you very much friend. I use a 240hz monitor and I want as many fps as possible and the most stable ever.

 

[529th]

It is just to play at the best possible performance. Should I turn off global C and AMD Cool'n'quiet 'states, and enable the two options that appear in my CPPC bios? CPPC Preferred Cores and CPPC. Which power plan should I use? Thank you very much friend. I use a 240hz monitor and I want as many fps as possible and the most stable ever.

Yes, disable Global C states and AMD Cool'n'Quiet, and enable the CPPC options.

I wouldn't use that power plan. It's only designed to stop all other cores so that one core is being used and can boost to it's max potential as I've observed with Cinebench single thread. You can get around 515-520 single thread scores with Cinebench R20 but there is a HUGE increase in latency. Use High Performance. The only thing useful in his power plan is the "Processor autonomous activity window" Keep that at 45000. Enable "Processor performance autonomous mode". Keep both heterogeneous modes at "Automatic". Disable "Processor idle disable" That should get you started in the right direction.

 

[GuitarHome]

Yes, disable Global C states and AMD Cool'n'Quiet, and enable the CPPC options.

I wouldn't use that power plan. It's only designed to stop all other cores so that one core is being used and can boost to it's max potential as I've observed with Cinebench single thread. You can get around 515-520 single thread scores with Cinebench R20 but there is a HUGE increase in latency. Use High Performance. The only thing useful in his power plan is the "Processor autonomous activity window" Keep that at 45000. Enable "Processor performance autonomous mode". Keep both heterogeneous modes at "Automatic". Disable "Processor idle disable" That should get you started in the right direction.

Hello friend, thank you very much, I did as you indicated. As for the power plan, I have not found where to set the values that I passed on. But do I have that "Ultimate performance" plan that is activated by CMD, basically using it? Thank you

 

[529th]

Hello friend, thank you very much, I did as you indicated. As for the power plan, I have not found where to set the values that I passed on. But do I have that "Ultimate performance" plan that is activated by CMD, basically using it? Thank you

You can use Ultimate. I would only edit values in the Ultimate Performance power plan. Leave the others alone, unless you want to change things but use Ultimate for gaming, and then when you are done gaming go back to Balanced.

 

[Max(IT)]

Is there any performance test of 1usmus Universal plan vs AMD High Performance after the latest update?
because as far as I can see, there are no differences...

 

[biffzinker]

Is there any performance test of 1usmus Universal plan vs AMD High Performance after the latest update?
because as far as I can see, there are no differences...

What latest update? Are you referring to AMD’s chipset driver package?

 

[Max(IT)]

What latest update? Are you referring to AMD’s chipset driver package?

Yep. This thread and initial evaluations were from many months ago. I was just wondering if situation changed for the better and now the (great) job by 1usmus is not needed anymore.

I did my tests today and in my configuration the 1usmus Universal Plan is still better ...

Cinebench R20 results are quite similar (50 points MT and 4 points ST aren't noticeable), but as far as clock speeds are involved, with AMD Ryzen High Performance my 3900X struggles to reach 4.5 GHz in single thread and it is limited to 4017 MHz in multithread, while with 1usmus plan I can reach 4567 MHz (ST) in the two better cores and 4100 MHz in multithread test.
During normal "Windows operations" I could reach even the advertised 4616 MHz. Never happened with AMD Power plan.

The question now is: how is it possible ?
Respect for 1usmus, but how AMD software engineers are less capable than him ?

As usual AMD is disappointing on the software side... (Radeon 5700XT drivers are a good example).

 

[stimpy88]

This thread should be deleted. After numerous calls for 1usmus to update, and months of simply ignoring them, this thread just serves as a place for confusion and outdated information.

We should just forget about this, move on and simply use AMD's latest power plans, and be done with it.

 

[Max(IT)]

This thread should be deleted. After numerous calls for 1usmus to update, and months of simply ignoring them, this thread just serves as a place for confusion and outdated information.

We should just forget about this, move on and simply use AMD's latest power plans, and be done with it.

did you read my post ?

I'm still experiencing better results with 1usmus power plan

 

[stimpy88]

did you read my post ?

I'm still experiencing better results with 1usmus power plan

And yet other people have reported that AMD's power plan settings are identical to his...

@1usmus - I formally invite you, for the second time in nearly 6 months, to confirm if you still stand by your power plans, settings and recommendations, now that we have a new version of Windows 10, multiple new AGESAs, multiple new BIOSs, and multiple new AMD chipset drivers. A simple yes or no would suffice.

 

[Max(IT)]

And yet other people have reported that AMD's power plan settings are identical to his...

@1usmus - I formally invite you, for the second time in nearly 6 months, to confirm if you still stand by your power plans, settings and recommendations, now that we have a new version of Windows 10, multiple new AGESAs, multiple new BIOSs, and multiple new AMD chipset drivers. A simple yes or no would suffice.

other people are free to use what they want.
But 1usmus plan still works, so there is no reason to ask him to delete this thread.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

let him be. 1usmus plan is only for guidance and free to use. No need to lock thread. Let others post here their experiences instead of locking and creating another thread.

No need to force him to update since he also have priorities. We should be thankful for sharing to community and not sell his program for $$$$$. Its not an open source but still a free to use

 

[stimpy88]

But 1usmus plan still works, so there is no reason to ask him to delete this thread.

According to you.

I read your post, but simply cannot take any conclusions from it because I have no idea HOW you came to your conclusions.

You need to break down exactly how your system is configured, motherboard make and model, hardware configuration, BIOS version, BIOS settings, AGESA version, which version of Windows, what patch level, what software and drivers are installed, and comparisons between 1usmus's plans. and AMDs latest etc.

Then maybe we can work out if these power plans still actually do anything different from AMDs power plans.

And maybe you now realise that what I stated above is a hell of a lot of work, and if 1usmus simply just responded, then he would be able to set the record straight instantly, as only he knows the full ins and outs of his powerplan, and why he chose the settings he did, as well as AMDs, and why they work as they do. I also know that he has a special knowledge of AMS's AGESA and what impact the newer versions have made to power management etc, clocking, and thermal management, which may have a fundamental effect on the information in this thread.