TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[lexluthermiester]

3. Pentium PRO 180MHz - KB80521EX180 - SL22S - 256KB - one VSS pin partially torn but I think that I can straighten the other pins without casualties. I might be able to solder the damaged pin back or the surrounding pins might take other its function. The problem is that I still don't have a sk8 motherboard to test it. My gut feeling says that I'll find one, eventually. All roads lead to Rome.

Those pins are dead simple to replace/resolder. Straightening the rest of the pins is as simple as getting a 0.7mm mechanical pencil, taking out the lead and using the tube shaft to carefully bend them back into place.

 

[biffzinker]

Those pins are dead simple to replace/resolder. Straightening the rest of the pins is as simple as getting a 0.7mm mechanical pencil, taking out the lead and using the tube shaft to carefully bend them back into place.

@Robert B seems like type that would be aware of using a mechanical pencil for straightening pins. I say that considering what he’s come across in need of repairs.

 

[lexluthermiester]

@Robert B seems like type that would be aware of using a mechanical pencil for straightening pins. I say that considering what he’s come across in need of repairs.

To be fair, it's not ultra common knowledge. Didn't want to assume he knew. Sharing is caring!

 

[Mr.Scott]

To be fair, it's not ultra common knowledge. Didn't want to assume he knew. Sharing is caring!

True. It just feels like common knowledge because there are more enthusiasts here than not.

 

[agent_x007]

Nvidia FX series, clock adjusted results :

1) 3DMark 01SE :

NV driver : 93.71.
Added few (OC'ed) cards from time period for better reference points.

Platform used :

*5800 Ultra used faster Phenom II 965 @ 4,1GHz + 2,5GHz NB on the same board (was tested by someone I know that has one).

2) 3DMark 03 (no 5800 Ultra score sadly ) : LINK.
Best I can do for it is this :

Enjoy

 

[biffzinker]

Had a quick run at overclocking the Q9400. It does post at 450x8 = 3.6 GHz but then it reboots on the post screen.

It doesn't feel that slow. ^

 

[Ruru]

Hm, thinking about an ultimate XP gaming build, Q9500 and 2 or 4GB but what would be an ok GPU..? 8800 GT, HD 4890, HD 5770 or even HD 6850/6870? GTX 570 is way too much IMO.

Saw this and thought it might be useful info for some readers;

I paid less for a GF3 Ti 200.. When thinking that FX 5500 is just an overclocked FX 5200, that ain't cheap.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It does post at 450x8 = 3.6

Ah there is a reason for that. 450mhzFSB is not a multiple of 33mhz(maybe it's 66mhz) and as a result many of the motherboard components(RAM, PCIe, PCI, SATA, USB) are being overclocked to odd speeds they can not handle as their clocks are all tied into the FSB. If you were to try 466mhz, you would likely have more success.

It doesn't feel that slow. ^

It's not in the context of a C2Q. Very solid OC.

 

[biffzinker]

Ah there is a reason for that. 450mhzFSB is not a multiple of 33mhz and as a result many of the motherboard components(PCIe, PCI, SATA, USB) are being overclocked to odd speeds they can not handle as their clocks are all tied into the FSB. If you were to try 466mhz, you would likely have more success.


It's not in the context of a C2Q. Very solid OC.

It wouldn't power on this morning after running at 3.46 GHz without instability. Backing it down to 400 MHz FSB though was fine. All I did was a shutdown last night.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It wouldn't power on this morning after running at 3.46 GHz without instability. Backing it down to 400 MHz FSB though was fine. All I did was a shutdown last night.

What voltages did you try? As general rule, you can bump the voltage by 10% without fear of any adverse effects. 15% is easy as long as you have good cooling. Above 15% is where one needs to start being careful. Take a screenshot of your bios voltage defaults and lets see if we can dial things in for you.

 

[stinger608]

what would be an ok GPU..? 8800 GT, HD 4890, HD 5770 or even HD 6850/6870?

Heck, for an XP gaming machine I'd go with the 4890 or 8800 GT/GTS/GTX. The GTX would be the ultimate in the 8800 series of course. However, all the GPU's you listed would work great.

 

[biffzinker]

Heck, for an XP gaming machine I'd go with the 4890 or 8800 GT/GTS/GTX. The GTX would be the ultimate in the 8800 series of course. However, all the GPU's you listed would work great.

Would a 7950 aka R9 280 be to much for a Windows XP Vista gaming PC? Think I'm just going to roll with it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Would a 7950 aka R9 280 be to much for a Windows XP Vista gaming PC? Think I'm just going to roll with it.

Nope, you'll be good! Ideally, a GTX670/GTX760 is the best bang-for-buck in a Windows XP build as the driver support was still very good. But if you already have a Radeon R9 class GPU, those are very solid too.

 

[stinger608]

Would a 7950 aka R9 280 be to much for a Windows XP Vista gaming PC? Think I'm just going to roll with it.

If you're rolling with Vista then a 280 would be great.

 

[agent_x007]

It wouldn't power on this morning after running at 3.46 GHz without instability. Backing it down to 400 MHz FSB though was fine. All I did was a shutdown last night.

I'm pretty sure X48 boards have seperate clock gens for both PCIe and PCI.
I would guess it's DRAM timing screw up.
CL5.7.7.21 is VERY weird setting for 1066MHz memory, what tRFC is used ?
Also, not sure how many MB of memory you have, but at 1066MHz a NB voltage increase may be required.
Similary at 450MHz FSB, FSB Termination/VTT increase may be required.

 

[Ruru]

I'd personally consider using even that GTX 570 as an overkill for XP build

 

[The Foldinator]

Also have the QC6600 that goes with the P5K , X58 board is still a strong one(still used by many as far as i can see) with a Intel Xeon X5675 also somewhere in my room

I sooo wanted leds on my memory i had 4x of them (long time ago) bought the day they came out in Dutchland and i am still missing a arm and a leg

Fast because of the leds

 

[biffzinker]

I'm pretty sure X48 boards have seperate clock gens for both PCIe and PCI.
I would guess it's DRAM timing screw up.
CL5.7.7.21 is VERY weird setting for 1066MHz memory, what tRFC is used ?
Also, not sure how many MB of memory you have, but at 1066MHz a NB voltage increase may be required.
Similary at 450MHz FSB, FSB Termination/VTT increase may be required.

The Gigabyte board is picking up the SPD Ext profile for the DDR2-1066 MHz. However it's adjusting the timings because of training? There's four sticks for 8 GB, each stick is dual rank.
Bumping the voltage a tiny bit for the FSB Termination/VTT, and MCH seems to have stabilize the inability to run at 433 MHz.

 

[Ruru]

Do I remember wrong but isn't P45 generally the best overclocker from 775 era?

 

[The Foldinator]

Do I remember wrong but isn't P45 generally the best overclocker from 775 era?

You are right most of the time paired with a QC6600

 

[agent_x007]

The Gigabyte board is picking up the SPD Ext profile for the DDR2-1066 MHz. However it's adjusting the timings because of training?
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Just to point out the obvious :

Whatever is used as profile (with or without training), should be seen in diagnostic programs.
In your case, left side does not correspond at all to what is seen on the right.
Short tale : BIOS is doing some pretty silly stuff in the background.

Drop DRAM Speed to 900MHz (with 450MHz FSB), fix primary timings to one value (5.5.5.15) with tRFC between 42/52. At this point it should work with 450MHz+ FSB (assuming you put 2,1V on DRAM Voltage and CPU isn't too crappy on VTT side).
Oh, and up NB Voltage to 1,4V

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'd personally consider using even that GTX 570 as an overkill for XP build

Nah. That would be a solid card, but not overkill IMHO. Actually, a 2GB GTX560ti would be a better card as it has more VRAM.

Bumping the voltage a tiny bit for the FSB Termination/VTT, and MCH seems to have stabilize the inability to run at 433 MHz.

Very nice!

Do I remember wrong but isn't P45 generally the best overclocker from 775 era?

X48 actually, but the P45 was solid when the board it went to was well designed & built.

 

[Apocalypsee]

Nah. That would be a solid card, but not overkill IMHO. Actually, a 2GB GTX560ti would be a better card as it has more VRAM.

IMO it really depends on which era of games you intended to play with your XP rig. A bit of overkill is in order since back then we don't use 1080p monitor, unless you have proper period correct monitor to couple with them

 

[lexluthermiester]

A bit of overkill is in order since back then we don't use 1080p monitor

I did. I was an early adopter of the 1080p standard and had one of the first Viewsonic 1080p LCDs released. Before that I had 900p(1440x900) screens, so the difference in performance was marginal. There are many games at that time that needed beefy GPU's to run. The thing is, the cost difference between earlier gen cards and the GTX5xx/GTX6xx is minimal so unless you already have a card, why not go for the better card?

 

[MaxiPro800]

I did. I was an early adopter of the 1080p standard and had one of the first Viewsonic 1080p LCDs released. Before that I had 900p(1440x900) screens, so the difference in performance was marginal. There are many games at that time that needed beefy GPU's to run. The thing is, the cost difference between earlier gen cards and the GTX5xx/GTX6xx is minimal so unless you already have a card, why not go for the better card?

Weren't some of those Viewsonic LCDs rebranded IBM screens? I found a few models IBM did that were sold under a few different brands, including iiyama and Viewsonic.