1. And it looks quite exciting
I don't think experienced system builders are excited ... at least yet ....a) A 1st look is not a review ... a review is what TPU does b) informed buyers / system builders don't buy reference cards and we do not recommend reference cards ... a review will give me 26 pages of data ... and temperature and sound data ... not 80% parroting quotes from the press conference with a few "hand picked" game tests thrown in. Skip the youtube videos and wait to read some articles on respected web sites.
Yeah 2080Ti price was rock solid for its life span.
a) so you conclusion on whether prices are generally higher when a new card is released is based upon 1 card in the entire history of PC gaming ? Doesn't seem to be a sound scientific analysis there. Wouldn't that be like looking at the overall survival rate of bird species by looking at the Dodo ?
b) When new cards are released, the price adheres to the laws of supply and demand. The "1st on the block guys" are willing to pay the price premium and as long as demand exceeds supply . Prices drop only when supply keeps up and / or exceeds demand. Nvidia has never been able to produce enough 2080 Ti's to meet demand... Stock remains low and vendors will charge whatever they can as long as they can because they are flying off the shelves.
Why not use more current data ?
MSi 2080 Ti Gaming Trio is $2,285 ... Asus Strix $2,485
Also , if in US, maybe you heard of the tariff on imported Chinese goods. It hits the higher priced items the hardest
The new tariffs imposed by the Trump Administration on China are going to hit a lot of PC components.
www.extremetech.com
3. Wonder where you get that idea from? Any proof specifically for the silicon part? I mean yeah for AMD GPU the driver takes time to become usable. For Nvidia cards it is basically Plug and Play from day 1.
- 30 years of PC Building.
- 35 years of reading and educating myself
- It plugged in and it played ... whoo hoo ... what about overclocking, what about failure rates ?... what about cards that can't run at advertised speeds ? What about history ? I see you don't read much.
a) Watch the overclocking sites. When a new CPU is released, folks report their overclocking results and the OP or site admin categorizes the results. Starting of say 2% of overclockers got 5.2 GHz ... 5% hit 5.1 Ghz. Over time these percentages improve due to produsction line tweaks and the silicon lottery starts to pay off better. With later steppings, we see 5% hitting 5.2 and 8% hitting 5.1. Overclockers even track the fab on which the CPU is made, as some sites will have better numbers than others. Do some reading.
b) back in the day of Sandy bridge there was a major chipset flaw. The flaw persisted thru the B3 stepping ... early adopters got screwed as the boards were recalled and even tho replacements were free. they had to disassemble / reassemble their systems. That case was unusual and that the board replacements were free. But most often, you're just screwed. I had s syetm build parts list complated and after waiting what i thought was long enough for the bugs to be found. I cancelled the order after learning of a Chipset bug in whiuch once and exterior peripheral went to sleep (i.e. exterior drive), you could not walk it up again w/o rebooting. I waited till the C1 stepping which corrected this problem and ordered the components. However, i was still stuck the a BIOS Clock freez bug whereby if the system crashed, upon reboot the system clock was frozen. Not a thing youd notice... and not seemingly a huge problem. Except 20 days later, when yu solved a file... the dat e of the file save was 20 days ago ... So if a secretary typed a report and saved it on 8/03 and I edited it a week later. My edit would not write over the old file as the date of my edit was 17 days before she typed it.
c). Here's one that is ridiculous and only hit "early adopters". IIRC, it was the 900 series of cards in which MSI appled a clear tape to the plastic shroud holding the fan in place during shoipping. The tape supplied screwed up the order and used a much stronger adhesive than had been ordered. As a result, many early buyers broke their fans removing the tape. No financial loss as MSI made good, and Im sure no one minded having to ship back the cards, wait for a replacement and not being able to use the computer for a week or 2. I guessn they could have pluged and players ... if you could have installed the early ones. A few weeks later, all cards shipped with the correct tape ... another win for those w/ patience.
d) How about the nvdia 570s where reference cards and a few AIBs (EVGA of course) burnt out their VRMs when card was overclocked. Did they plug and play ? Woo hoo, yes the y did, they just fried themselves... but as long as the pluged and played, you feel, it's not a problem.
e) How about the EVGA 970 SCs where 1/3 of the heat sink *missed* the GPU ? EVGAs response was that this was "intended' but within a month they began shipping a later revision where all of the heat sink made contact with the GPU. But again, they plugged and played... the performance was the worst of all tested AIB cards tho ... no matter i guess as long as they plugged and played.
Not one, not two, but three competing GeForce GTX 970 cards do battle in our launch day roundup
www.bit-tech.net
f) My finger are getting tired so this will be the last one. EVGA (again) early shipments of the 1060, 1070 and 1080 SV and FTW were all deficient. This was big news and recent news swhich even new PC builders will remember. Since you like youtube videos, you can watch them catch on fire and see the burnt cards
This was covered on every major tech site and all over youtube, so should not be unknown to anyone. What happened is that EVGA cheaped out and again and skipped the installation of thermal pads. Again, they first denied there was a problem, the next issued apatch which just cut the power level down (and performance) and finally the issued a recall whereby you could either send in for a kit and spend your time fixing their problem or you yould sent the card back for an exchange.... and have no use of your PC till it arrived. So, again yes kit it plugged, it played and it provided some pyrotechnics as a bonus.
So yes, this stuff happens ... it happens all the time, but to be aware of it, you will have go go beyond youtube and research products before buying them. Of course... to dao that, you have to wait for those bwilling to live on the bleeding edge, to buy the brand spanking new products and report these issues. Peruse a variety of well respect web sites like TPU, read the manufacturer's web forums to see what issues users are reporting ... and even new egg user reviews will provide insight to such matters... Granted, some of those reviews are basically "Im built a PC, didn't know what i was doing and I had so many problems with this ...." But those are obvious.
Ampere seems to be a REALLY good gen. I can't think of much negative points now.
I wasn't expecting any .... i think the power might be a concern .... had seen an Nvidia video a while back about the new cooling system ... if it works as good as design implies would be impressive ... but will AIB vendors be using it ? what will temps and noise look like ? Will we see Hybrid designs with solid water blocks like the EK equipped Seahawk ? .. will thay be as affordable as past version ? Will they match the water block with a decent PCB. In past, to keep prices down, AIBs have been pairing the reference PCB with the blocks nd using air to cool the PCbs with beefy / many phase power and VRMs. ... AIB vendors will also not be using the nice new small 12 pin plug which is something I much wanted to see happen.
This 3-4 months of summer here is already more than I'm comfortable with since I don't have conditioning either.
Go to 6.16 and enjoy.
