Xeon Owners Club

[tabascosauz]

So uhhhh......I successfully booted my Ivy Bridge E3 once on the testbench and that was it. Installed Windows on a small SSD I had lying around, set everything up, and grabbed a screenshot after running a quick bench in CPU-Z and CB R20. Like, 365/1800 and 1350 points. No idea why I had set all-core 35x previously, but whatever.

Fuck me for not remembering to move said screenshot to the Windows USB, because it never booted Windows again. I can get into BIOS, but as Windows is starting up the spinner animation always freezes a few seconds in, and proceeds to abruptly shut down after about 10 seconds of freezing. Does this every single time, even when Windows tries to use Startup Repair, same thing happens.

Everything was working just fine a few weeks ago when it was last working, so not sure exactly what's going on except "hardware ded".

I did clear CMOS but doesn't seem to be the problem since I can get into BIOS just fine. Well, looks like this is the end of the line at least I got a picture.

 

[Edwired]

Did you check if sata is in ahci mode and try again as if you installed windows in ide or raid mode it would throw a fit during windows booting process. Then again check for dodgy looking pins in the socket that would cause that issue or worst case motherboard decided to call it a day

 

[tabascosauz]

Did you check if sata is in ahci mode and try again as if you installed windows in ide or raid mode it would throw a fit during windows booting process. Then again check for dodgy looking pins in the socket that would cause that issue or worst case motherboard decided to call it a day

Fortunately the CPU hasn't been out of its socket since the day it went in I never RAID anything so everything's permanently on AHCI. Getting Crimson drivers instead of the Windows Update Catalyst drivers seemed to help a bit, but it still does it sometimes.

 

[phill]

Gotta love hardware issues haven't you?? Normally this would happen to me being dog tired and trying to find out what is gone on..

Had it with a CPU cooler that was resting on the top of a CPU, when I put a little force on to it, it crashed the machine.. Needless to say at 2am, I had just managed to get it up and working but always when I'm off to bed when I touch something and I have to fix it or do I mean get it back working...

Note to self, don't touch stuff when it works!! Even more so when it's time to go to bed!!

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Gotta love hardware issues haven't you?? Normally this would happen to me being dog tired and trying to find out what is gone on..

Had it with a CPU cooler that was resting on the top of a CPU, when I put a little force on to it, it crashed the machine.. Needless to say at 2am, I had just managed to get it up and working but always when I'm off to bed when I touch something and I have to fix it or do I mean get it back working...

Note to self, don't touch stuff when it works!! Even more so when it's time to go to bed!!

And the real irony is no matter how much we get annoyed by those things we also feel great pleasure when we solve them...it's kinda vicious circle of tech....

 

[Edwired]

Fortunately the CPU hasn't been out of its socket since the day it went in I never RAID anything so everything's permanently on AHCI. Getting Crimson drivers instead of the Windows Update Catalyst drivers seemed to help a bit, but it still does it sometimes.

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I had a similar issue with the Asus p6x58d-e where the system won't post due to overtighten cpu heatsink mounting mechanism bracket. As soon I loosen up the four corner screws and retested it again it posted like nothing happened. So give it try. Or possible dodgy amd driver driver that made the operating system unbootable as that can be possible cause

And the real irony is no matter how much we get annoyed by those things we also feel great pleasure when we solve them...it's kinda vicious circle of tech....

Yeah I know that feeling been in that situation before when I be thinking it could be one thing but can't see it as it staring at me. To me it reminds me of wack-a-mole game in a arcade place

 

[Zyll Goliat]

 

[Edwired]

He said his memory ddr4 degraded in one of the set up he have the ddr4 at 2166 and 3400 that a big difference in 1866 but the timings are tighen might be the reason of unstable but not degraded. Could be thinking wrong myself

 

[masterdeejay]

cheap 14 core (was under 100 usd) ES 2695v3. Only 2.5ghz all core. All core unlock sadly not working, stepping is not 6F2.
less cpu queen point than the hacked 2669v3

 

[lexluthermiester]

cheap 14 core (was under 100 usd) ES 2695v3. Only 2.5ghz all core. All core unlock sadly not working, stepping is not 6F2.
less cpu queen point than the hacked 2669v3
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With that being an engineering sample, the voltage tolerences are higher than retail samples. You could very likely bump that voltage up by 0.15v to 0.2v without worry and get higher clocks from it. Perhaps as much as 3ghz all-core.

 

[masterdeejay]

With that being an engineering sample, the voltage tolerences are higher than retail samples. You could very likely bump that voltage up by 0.15v to 0.2v without worry and get higher clocks from it. Perhaps as much as 3ghz all-core.

voltage up? there are some voltage offset in the bios, i will try it. But up? not down?
All of mine not ES v3-s are undervoltaged for better/longer turbo boost. The 2678v3 not bosting on stock voltage just 3.1-3.2ghz, but with -50mv/-50mv (vcore/uncore) it goes up to 3.3ghz.
My test mobo bios is FFS driver hack integrated -50mv/-50mv default setting. But only for the F2 stepping xeons, not for the earlier F1.
The 2695v3 ES the 4-14c turbo is just 2.5ghz. The high tdp limit is high and that is good but it never reached, because the low turbo multi.
I think the turbo works the following way:
if the cpu cool, and the tdp limit not reached the cpu boost to max possible all core boost when all core is on heavy load
with the all core hack the all core multipler are increased but there is still a tdp limit, that is why undervoltage needed.
(hack also increases uncore and some thing that i dont know what is)
example dual 2620v3 EFI driver unlock, the bios FFS driver works the same way


adaptive mode voltage offsets?
inegrated vr (voltage regulator maybe?) faults and efficiency mode?


next side project for 2011v1 cpus
Another cheap chinese "x79-Turbo v6.0" 2011-v1 motherboard. Of course its not x79 chipset.
It uses B85 (haswell) chipset, but its not matter because it uses dmi to communicate with the cpu. So from sandy bridge to 9.gen i series all chipset can work with all cpus. So it is possible to a 9.gen cpu works with an old sandy bridge south bridge or vice versa.

Dual channel only. M2 sata, 3x16x pcie 3.0. usb3, sata3...
I will test is later.

Update , yes haswell chipset, ivy bridge cpu.
Nvme supported, m2 not.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes, you'd need to set the voltage offset. Cooling for a CPU like that one is very important. As long as you can keep the temps down, the CPU will handle the extra voltage and will likely get you to a higher stable all-core OC.

 

[Edwired]

voltage up? there are some voltage offset in the bios, i will try it. But up? not down?
All of mine not ES v3-s are undervoltaged for better/longer turbo boost. The 2678v3 not bosting on stock voltage just 3.1-3.2ghz, but with -50mv/-50mv (vcore/uncore) it goes up to 3.3ghz.
My test mobo bios is FFS driver hack integrated -50mv/-50mv default setting. But only for the F2 stepping xeons, not for the earlier F1.
The 2695v3 ES the 4-14c turbo is just 2.5ghz. The high tdp limit is high and that is good but it never reached, because the low turbo multi.
I think the turbo works the following way:
if the cpu cool, and the tdp limit not reached the cpu boost to max possible all core boost when all core is on heavy load
with the all core hack the all core multipler are increased but there is still a tdp limit, that is why undervoltage needed.
(hack also increases uncore and some thing that i dont know what is)
example dual 2620v3 EFI driver unlock, the bios FFS driver works the same way

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adaptive mode voltage offsets?
inegrated vr (voltage regulator maybe?) faults and efficiency mode?


next side project for 2011v1 cpus
Another cheap chinese "x79-Turbo v6.0" 2011-v1 motherboard. Of course its not x79 chipset.
It uses B85 (haswell) chipset, but its not matter because it uses dmi to communicate with the cpu. So from sandy bridge to 9.gen i series all chipset can work with all cpus. So it is possible to a 9.gen cpu works with an old sandy bridge south bridge or vice versa.
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Dual channel only. M2 sata, 3x16x pcie 3.0. usb3, sata3...
I will test is later.

Update , yes haswell chipset, ivy bridge cpu.
Nvme supported, m2 not.
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What does the bios layout look like take a few pictures of it as I'm curious to know

 

[masterdeejay]

What does the bios layout look like take a few pictures of it as I'm curious to know

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This is the stock stupid bios x79 turbo v6.0. But i mod it soon. (Ram timing and multi overclock, voltage offset...)
the stock bios is x79ha00c like x79h mobo. Only 4mb bios size.
test rig:

 

[uco73]

If you want to OC xeon CPU, here is solution how to overclock without BIOS or any program. Just open CMD as administrator and type
"powercfg -duplicatescheme e9a42b02-d5df-448d-aa00-03f14749eb6"(without quotes). After that press ENTER and now is enabled Ultimate Performance power plan in control panel. Choose it and your Xeon is overclocked about 10-15%

 

[Zyll Goliat]

If you want to OC xeon CPU, here is solution how to overclock without BIOS or any program. Just open CMD as administrator and type
"powercfg -duplicatescheme e9a42b02-d5df-448d-aa00-03f14749eb6"(without quotes). After that press ENTER and now is enabled Ultimate Performance power plan in control panel. Choose it and your Xeon is overclocked about 10-15%

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Well....I am srry I hate to be the one.....but this will not OC your CPU and most likely you will gain almost nothing with those power savings changes at best you could possibly reduce some "lags"and increase cpu response time and this only in case IF you didn't turn off C-states in your bios settings and you didn't configure your power options in win but for those people who already turned of c-states and all possible power savings features,well.... they will not see any improvements at all....

 

[phill]

Im in Ireland so only place i can get them is either in Ireland if any is available or England is a second chioce. Worst case is china as a last resort

Found one here it €29.95

Pardon our interruption...

Dont know if it any good or how accurate it is

@Edwired I'll drop you a PM

I've just managed to grab a nice 14C 28T Xeon from our good member @HammerON so whenever I get it through from my mate in the US (as its going there first) I'll report back with some tests and such I'm Not sure if it can be overclocked as such as it's a V3 model, but it should be good fun to play around with and I'm wondering what the heck to do with it

 

[Edwired]

@Edwired I'll drop you a PM

I've just managed to grab a nice 14C 28T Xeon from our good member @HammerON so whenever I get it through from my mate in the US (as its going there first) I'll report back with some tests and such I'm Not sure if it can be overclocked as such as it's a V3 model, but it should be good fun to play around with and I'm wondering what the heck to do with it

Turn that 14c 28t into next gen emulation station

 

[Techninja]

He guys,

Not many will be interested in this but it took me a long freaking while to find, although to be honest I cant take credit for finding it someone else helped me out. For those that need it it's the x58 eclipse sli bios that supports x56xx overclocking the 1g2 bios. someone found it for me here: https://forum-de.msi.com/index.php/topic,87203.340.html (need login to download). Hope it helps someone out because I have seen multiple people through the years on forums searching for it. So by doing this I hope the next person will find it more easily.

greats

This is the stock stupid bios x79 turbo v6.0. But i mod it soon. (Ram timing and multi overclock, voltage offset...)
the stock bios is x79ha00c like x79h mobo. Only 4mb bios size.

I think most of these boards have (as far as i have seen) a set power limit that keeps them back from going past +/-4GHz, Have you been able to disable such a limit and how does the vrm cope with the increased power? Or is that not what you are trying to accomplish?

 

[masterdeejay]

He guys,

Not many will be interested in this but it took me a long freaking while to find, although to be honest I cant take credit for finding it someone else helped me out. For those that need it it's the x58 eclipse sli bios that supports x56xx overclocking the 1g2 bios. someone found it for me here: https://forum-de.msi.com/index.php/topic,87203.340.html (need login to download). Hope it helps someone out because I have seen multiple people through the years on forums searching for it. So by doing this I hope the next person will find it more easily.

greats



I think most of these boards have (as far as i have seen) a set power limit that keeps them back from going past +/-4GHz, Have you been able to disable such a limit and how does the vrm cope with the increased power? Or is that not what you are trying to accomplish?

All 2011 xeons have locked max limit. (Exept unlocked multi xeons)
I can override the long and the short turbo tdp limit in chinese boards. But the cpu max tdp is locked. Example: 4650 have 200w limit, 2643v3 have 270w limit, 2697v2 is only 200w (very weak turbo for 12 core 3ghz+ Ivy)

There are no information on intel website for the max limits only the tdp and that is useless. Even cpuworld dont have any infos about the max limits. This max limits also limits the overall performance in turbo mode. But some limit is needed to not burn the internal vrm out.

 

[Edwired]

I bought Samsung C24F396FHU 24' monitor to replace the broken Samsung S24E510C which suffered either led strip or mainboard which had the symtom of screen flickering and shutting off. It only cost me €95 + €22.50 for postage

 

[masterdeejay]

Dual 2643v3 testing. The mobo vrm cant handle the full load. (EDP current warning)
If i undervolt a little -50mv to -70mv the benchmark scores a little bit better (ram write lower, cache speed is better). But still not working on full speed only 3.6ghz all core and not 3.7ghz. Just a few cores turbo to 3.7ghz, most of the cores stay at 3.6ghz.

My mobo is damaged, one vrm phase is burned out on the first socket (it is a testing mobo for cpus and a bad 2697v3 almost killed it), and one small smd is broken between the two sockets (slipped screwdriver). So it is possible the lost vrm part cause the problem. Prime95 stable, and the vrm-s is not very hot.
But for average gaming it is fine, because i think none of the games use the 12C/24T. So it is not needed to have full all core 3.7ghz.

 

[phill]

Guys I'm after a penny for your thoughts....

One of my close friends is rather poorly, I'm trying to do something nice for him as he's locked in at home and can't go anywhere but to hospital so I'd like to try and donate him a PC that I can use my spare parts from and get him something a little special.. Something that's a little me in there for him... I mean by that, completely daft and stupid basically

I'm having a bit of a dilemma with what CPU to put in the rig for him.. I've got a X79 board, so I'm aiming for at least USB 3, as he's never had anything above USB 2.. And I'm looking for a CPU that has a decent amount of cores, that pretty quick and will do pretty much anything he needs.. As he's no gamer I don't believe that full on clock speed would be required, so the low/mid 3.0GHz ish area, I think would be more than enough. It's a shame that I can't give him an X99 board, but I don't have the DDR4 spare So I'm kinda looking around these sorts of CPUs...

Xeon E5-2650 v2 8C 16T 95w
Xeon E5 2658 V2 10C 20T 95w
Xeon E5-2660 v2 10C 20T 95w

My question to you, is which would you put in the rig?? I'll be using a Gigabyte X79 UD3 (I think!) board.. I'm looking at water cooling the CPU and a GPU which has a full block on it.. As I don't happen to have a spare high core count CPU, I'm looking to try and buy one as cheaply but quickly as possible... I also have to remember or find out, if normal DDR3 will work with the Xeon (I'm pretty sure it would??) as I've got some server DDR3, but I'm not sure if it would work with the board... It didn't with my MSI X99 Gaming Titanium sadly...

A penny for your thoughts guys

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I have 2650 V2 and it's working great,I did a bit bclk OC so it's working 3,4Ghz on all cores........2658 V2 or 2660 V2 have more cores but they are slower(base&boost clock) I personally avoid those but thats because I do gaming sometimes that was my reason why otherwise they are perfectly fine for anything else.....

 

[Caring1]

Xeon E5-2650 v2 8C 16T 95w
Xeon E5 2658 V2 10C 20T 95w
Xeon E5-2660 v2 10C 20T 95w

My question to you, is which would you put in the rig?? I'll be using a Gigabyte X79 UD3 (I think!) board.. I'm looking at water cooling the CPU and a GPU which has a full block on it.. As I don't happen to have a spare high core count CPU, I'm looking to try and buy one as cheaply but quickly as possible... I also have to remember or find out, if normal DDR3 will work with the Xeon (I'm pretty sure it would??) as I've got some server DDR3, but I'm not sure if it would work with the board... It didn't with my MSI X99 Gaming Titanium sadly...

A penny for your thoughts guys

E5-2650V2 and normal Udimms work fine together.