Editorial Microsoft DirectX 12 Ultimate: Why it Helps Gamers Pick Future Proof Graphics Cards

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

No not really. The 1080 for example was EOL'd/replaced by 1070ti but the cards are still not obsolete and if they are, they both will be.

What means buy new, really?! Its just your own perspective and or upgrade itch saying that. The new cards on offer are just teasing you to get itchy. The rest is in your head.

It comes down to timing your gpu purchases right, in the end, and a big part of that is not riding the tech hype but lagging behind it for a liittld while and then make an informed choice. Its been proven time and time again... no need to rush, tech adoption is slow and bumpy and its all about the content anyway. Usually its the content that triggers a gpu upgrade and then you just look at whats on offer.

That's not the same thing at all , the 1080 got Eol because the super made it pointless.

In this thread it's implied all cards out besides Rtx 2£££ series cards are obsolete Now because of a lack of features.


On the topic, is ultimate the only game in town, no are all the features of both consoles included, No.

Does an Rtx 2£££ series card have feature parity with both consoles, No.

So the implications are all cards could lack features required to get the best of all games in two years to three.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

In this thread it's implied all cards out besides Rtx 2£££ series cards are obsolete Now because of a lack of features.

They are...going forward all cards except the RTX 2000's will lack features but that doesn't imply they are obsolete in usage as they are only obsolete from lack of newer features.

On the topic, is ultimate the only game in town, no are all the features of both consoles included, No.

ok

Does an Rtx 2£££ series card have feature parity with both consoles, No.

right

So the implications are all cards could lack features required to get the best of all games in two years to three.

yup

Do you remember when Vista launched?
Lots of hardware failed to work right and while companies scrambled to fix drivers Microsoft started the "Certified for Vista" program....it was brief but effective.
It was such a mess that even once fixed they had to rename to "7" to get people to use it over Xp.
IMO this DX12 Ultimate is the way to avoid that happening again...and because of consoles this is going to happen sooner than 2-3 years...as of today 2 out of the 3 games I play has RTX as a feature...I can still use my 1070ti...it's not obsolete in that way...I just lack features....however I can still use RTX albeit with 23fps lows and 93fps highs with extreme leaps between frequently while locked @1080p

 

[Tartaros]

I don't see the point. In a few years, only "Ultimate" GPUs will be available as the old architectures are pushed out of the market. There's no reason for Microsoft to create this branding.

Vulkan must be the reason, it has slipped onto some major games with success. Microsoft has been too relaxed and now probably started to worry, so its PR time again.

 

[Vayra86]

That's not the same thing at all , the 1080 got Eol because the super made it pointless.

In this thread it's implied all cards out besides Rtx 2£££ series cards are obsolete Now because of a lack of features.


On the topic, is ultimate the only game in town, no are all the features of both consoles included, No.

Does an Rtx 2£££ series card have feature parity with both consoles, No.

So the implications are all cards could lack features required to get the best of all games in two years to three.

You're right its not the same thing. EOL is something else as obsolete. That was the point

I don't think Turing cards are going to go obsolete because they lack feature parity with consoles. They can do RT and run DXR. The capabilities of these GPUs can be updated. We've seen it before in terms of DX feature level support. It wouldn't be good for Nvidia if even their expensive upper end of Turing would turn into paperweights 2 years post release. And since all of those 2xxx GPUs are essentially the same thing, if they can do it for one, they can do it for all of them. Heck the article even states as much. Now we know why Nvidia was early on their DXR push. MS played both sides into this story, ie its a collaborative effort. The timing is too convenient.

Also, 'the best of games' we both know this is going to be a slow crawl. Look at DX12 market penetration, its so low its silly, but expected. Its only a few years back since we saw the last notable DX9 (!!!) releases. DX11 is now in full force. DX12 is early adopting. Most games are still developed for DX11. The first few years of console games, apart from a handful of exclusives perhaps, will not bring anything that really pushes you to DX12 Ultimate or you miss out. Maybe there is one. Two. Who cares. People worry too much about this sort of thing. The market rules this development, and devs won't build features when the market doesn't buy into them. Its a chicken egg thing and it will follow the natural turnaround/upgrade cycle for GPUs.

Besides, what is wrong with revisiting a game one GPU upgrade later to check out the things you might have missed?

Apart from all this. RDNA2 GPUs for PC will definitely have an edge in this sense, until Nvidia gets Ampere out the door. If AMD can pre empt that they can make a comeback.

 

[Totally]

Outside of the poor grammar here... didnt amd gloat too?

How can it be gloating if it's in response to previous "gloating"?

 

[EarthDog]

How can it be gloating if it's in response to previous "gloating"?

Whyduhek?

Gloating is gloating... it doesn't need a 'previous response' to be considered as such.

 

[Totally]

Whyduhek?

Gloating is gloating... it doesn't need a 'previous response' to be considered as such.

Doesn't the gloating party have to gloat another party that is perceived to be at a lower standing or lacking, it's kind of in the definition.

Isn't it silly if AMD was trying to lord DX12U support over Nvidia, something Nvidia announced support for much earlier?

 

[Vayra86]

Doesn't the gloating party have to gloat another party that is perceived to be at a lower standing or lacking, it's kind of in the definition.

Isn't it silly if AMD was trying to lord DX12U support over Nvidia, something Nvidia announced support for much earlier?

I suppose that only depends on what article you've read first

 

[EarthDog]

Doesn't the gloating party have to gloat another party that is perceived to be at a lower standing or lacking, it's kind of in the definition.

Isn't it silly if AMD was trying to lord DX12U support over Nvidia, something Nvidia announced support for much earlier?

Lol, gloating is gloating my dude. It doesnt need to be in response to what the competition says...

Yeah, "kind of" the definition is right... not "the" definition. Here is the definition:

dwelling on one's own success or another's misfortune with smugness or malignant pleasure

One's success...."OR"....another's misfortune. Either or, both are not required. I see them both as advertising/marketing (dwelling on their success) about a feature they both have. They are both gloating about it!

 

[R82]

I think AMD screw us big time they knew about DX12 ultimate technology at 2018 and decided to leave RDNA out so we will have to upgrade after 2 years...
NVIDIA released Turing cards in 2018 (RTX 2000) and it will support DX12 ultimate...
This is so sad I own rx 5700 for 6 months and my next card will probably be NVIDIA...
I really thought and belived that AMD cares about their costumers, I mean to develop XBOX/PS5 and to put in that gpu support but leave all pc out? that is vey low...

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I think AMD screw us big time they knew about DX12 ultimate technology at 2018 and decided to leave RDNA out so we will have to upgrade after 2 years...
NVIDIA released Turing cards in 2018 (RTX 2000) and it will support DX12 ultimate...
This is so sad I own rx 5700 for 6 months and my next card will probably be NVIDIA...
I really thought and belived that AMD cares about their costumers, I mean to develop XBOX/PS5 and to put in that gpu support but leave all pc out? that is vey low...

Yeah for all the. DX ulty games, nope.
Maybe next year when at least three games are out, undue dramma three years and a GPU is done anyway for AAA.

 

[R-T-B]

That's a joke or?

A consumer product which perofrmance degrades over short time? Don't know if that is leagal in the us

Uh, every cellphone sold does that (throttles), so yeah it is.