X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[bobbybluz]

That's for 2011-3 so unless you can perform some kind of magic there's no way that CPU should work.

You're correct. Posting with lack of sleep causes confusion. That was meant for the Xeon forum. I have an ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 on the way.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

You're correct. Posting with lack of sleep causes confusion. That was meant for the Xeon forum. I have an ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 on the way.

However good luck with that CPU I was really hoping somehow it was a 2011 CPU that should be an absolute beast on the 2011-3 platform! Please take pics of your new Asrock Extreme board and CPU setup/cooling etc and of course benchies once you get it set up. I admittedly didn't ever see that cpu before in the brief time I scouted the X99 platform and decided to stay with X79 and eventually upgrade to something else. However, if that setup OC's well with good cooling as I said I think you'll have a system that will perform admirably even in the mix of new platforms to date.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

What does everyone think of the 3080 review? I'm interested to see what happens with other models and what team Red has in store, they have their own RDNA2 or whatever dropping in October, be a while since AMD had a really good video card but if they can compete with Nvidia then they'll be really humming on all cylinders with CPU's and GPU's.

 

[lexluthermiester]

What does everyone think of the 3080 review? I'm interested to see what happens with other models and what team Red has in store, they have their own RDNA2 or whatever dropping in October, be a while since AMD had a really good video card but if they can compete with Nvidia then they'll be really humming on all cylinders with CPU's and GPU's.

I think NVidia has delivered the goods and have yet again set a high bar for AMD to reach with Radeon. Intel's Xe might still hold some surprises though. What I'd like to see are some benchmarks for the 3080 on older platforms like the ones featured in this thread if for no other reason than to show real world context.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I think NVidia has delivered the goods and have yet again set a high bar for AMD to reach with Radeon. Intel's Xe might still hold some surprises though. What I'd like to see are some benchmarks for the 3080 on older platforms like the ones featured in this thread if for no other reason than to show real world context.

Yes Lex I saw them hating on you in there lol, hopefully it was not badly intentioned and seems like you just brushed it off but I did have to chuckle at it. Well yes, I'm due for a new graphics card so depending on which team brings the best "goods" for the buck I'll end up with one of this generation's cards but I definitely want to see what this card AMD has next month does, no benchmarks have leaked etc so not sure that's good or bad....could be they want to surprise Nvidia with something or more what I expect is it's somewhat underwhelming and is just a placeholder in their GPU progress and it's just a step to build off of to get to next competitive step.

You're correct. Posting with lack of sleep causes confusion. That was meant for the Xeon forum. I have an ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 on the way.

Also I know this is X79 thread but considering how relatively narrow that lane is now with so many platforms occurring since SO as the highly esteemed OP (HA!) I give you all permission to reference other platforms in reference to X79 or not, besides X99 is closely related to X79 anyway so they're practically brothers....that 22 core CPU has me VERY interested and curious what it would do vs. X79 and the newer platforms.

 

[bobbybluz]

I ended up going with a 14 core E5 2683 V3 for now. The CPU is already here but I'm still waiting on the RAM and mobo.

 

[bobbybluz]

The RAM arrived today, only waiting on the mobo now. I have a feeling if all works well I'll eventually switch to a newer 16 core E5 1683 V4. It looks like the ASRock X99 mobos may be the best X99 boards to use with Xeons from what I've been reading. The X99-Xeon is a new rabbit hole to go down for me. The ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 has things my Sabertooth X79's don't and supports a wider range of newer and better Xeons. The X99 Extreme6 looks like an even better mobo but they're hard to find and I'll never get one as cheap as the Extreme4/3.1 was. X99 and Xeons are the next step newer than X79. Overclocking may not be there on X99 but the Xeon V4's are faster than the V3's (also more expensive).
From what I've read in the past two weeks if I had the money to play with I'd get an ASRock X99 Extreme6 and a 16 or 18 core Xeon V4. The V4's also natively support DDR4 2400 with a wider memory pipeline. None of us who do these things are totally sane but we do have more fun doing them than those who slap together the latest parts available.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

The RAM arrived today, only waiting on the mobo now. I have a feeling if all works well I'll eventually switch to a newer 16 core E5 1683 V4. It looks like the ASRock X99 mobos may be the best X99 boards to use with Xeons from what I've been reading. The X99-Xeon is a new rabbit hole to go down for me. The ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 has things my Sabertooth X79's don't and supports a wider range of newer and better Xeons. The X99 Extreme6 looks like an even better mobo but they're hard to find and I'll never get one as cheap as the Extreme4/3.1 was. X99 and Xeons are the next step newer than X79. Overclocking may not be there on X99 but the Xeon V4's are faster than the V3's (also more expensive).
From what I've read in the past two weeks if I had the money to play with I'd get an ASRock X99 Extreme6 and a 16 or 18 core Xeon V4. The V4's also natively support DDR4 2400 with a wider memory pipeline. None of us who do these things are totally sane but we do have more fun doing them than those who slap together the latest parts available.

Yeah if it weren't for cost I'd have picked X99 at some point but overall in many respects X79 actually was same or outperformed it, I was rather disappointed with X99 it's when Intel was resting on it's laurels because AMD had shit to compete with and they just did tweaks here and there and still charged out the wazoo. However, I will have a better impression if I see good results from your new setup, anxious to see it work! Yeah not sure how the overclocking is but the 2 series should be locked multiplier and the 1 series unlocked.

 

[chiggah]

Friend is giving me his Asus Rampage 4 Extreme motherboard. What is the best bang for buck CPU to overlock, which I can get ?

e5 1650 ?

 

[bobbybluz]

E5 1680 V2. 8 cores of highly overclockable wonderfulness. I paid $150 each for the two I have.

 

[tirasoft]

Hello, new member here.

Just built up a x79 RIG few days ago around a XEON e5-1680v2 , played with OC .
Specs and benchmarks are attached.

I did hit 2 OC walls :
1. couldnt get to 4.6Ghz all cores stable with the CPU . So left on 4.5 all cores which is rock stable. However, given the air cooling I have, on heavy stress test, temperatures are high, reaching the 90deg, and probably more if I don't stop the test. If I try 4.6Ghz all cores, with 1.31V Vcore, on stress test AIDA64 I've got blue screen. Not sure if because low voltage or poor cooling..... I do keep it on 4.5Ghz on all cores though , because I real conditions CPU never gets so intense load. On lighter stress tests, like AIDA64 or OCCT temperatures are not so high , maybe 80deg.

2. Couldn't overclock my Hynix 1866 13-13-13-32 more than lower timings to 11-11-11-32. Tried 2133Mhz, it does boot & go to Windows, but doesn't pass a memory test.

So, I am wondering :
- if going to a Air cooler Noctua NH-D15 or even water AIO would help me to reach CPU speed more than 4.5Ghz?
- would be beneficial to try to change my 8x4Gb 1866 memory to some higher frecqency memory ?

 

[agent_x007]

You should try higher frequency with more VCCSA voltage (0,975V) and/or VTT voltage (1,05V) and dropping to Command Rate 2.
As for cooling : 4,5GHz+ probably won't be possible since early 22nm get's hot VERY fast with voltage increase beyond certain point (1,3V usually).
In my case, I can't do more than 4,3GHz while keeping temps in check, so 4,5GHz is quite good.

More memory DIMMs = more IMC stress = less frequency.
If you want 32GB of memory, 4x8GB > 8x4GB.
Currently I'm running 2133MHz CL10 with 4x8GB configration.

Also, ALWAYS check if tRFC timing is set correctly (ie. according to XMP profile), before going beyond 1866MHz.

 

[bobbybluz]

A good AIO would be my only choice for cooling plus make sure you have maximum airflow to and through it. I'm using Corsair H105's w/4 Silverstone FM121's at full speed (110 cfm each) in push-pull on both of my 1680 V2 rigs. I also have the radiators mounted externally on top of the case. I get 4.7Ghz out of both and my first got a CPU score of around 21,400 on Passmark 9.0. Version 10.0 hits older CPU's hard as many have discovered.
Something is wonky with your Asus AI suite. It should be showing 8 cores not two. There's a patch on the Asus site. I'm using Sabertooth X79 mobos for both of mine. Memory in my first rig is 8x8 Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR3 2133 at XMP defaults, second is 8x8 G.Skill Ripjaws Z series at XMP defaults.

 

[agent_x007]

It's not a bug, you just have to check "group tuning" (there probably will be a warning/error, but it will work).

 

[tirasoft]

@bobbybluz : No , nothing wonky , I just uncheck the "group tuning", because CPU settings are : 1 core 4.6Ghz, 2 to 7 cores 4.5Ghz. I mean it's all core 4.5Ghz except 1 core 4.6Ghz for the instances when 1 core is used only. (see the photos attached).

You should try higher frequency with more VCCSA voltage (0,975V) and/or VTT voltage (1,05V) and dropping to Command Rate 2

@agent_x007 : I already have VCCSA voltage on 1.05V and CPU VTT voltage on 1.1625V . (see photo) . Still having those 2 OC walls mentioned.


Yeah , to go with 4x8Gb 2133 memory sounds a good idea. (I've heard 2400Mhz is an issue on RIVE ??)

On the cooling issue : if I do 4.6Ghz all cores (even with higher Vcore) , it works in Win10 , except when I do stress the CPU : it goes on blue screen, I assume because of the high temperature .
So, probably if I will fit a nice AIO (H150i PRO XT - 360mm AIO with 3 x 120 fans), the cooling will allow me to OC CPU on 4.6Ghz all cores. And maybe even with NH-D15 (I am not a big fan of water cooling)

I am not sure about 4.7Ghz all cores though : it gives me blue screen on Windows even on idle, on low temperatures ....

I get 4.7Ghz out of both and my first got a CPU score of around 21,400 on Passmark 9.0.

This is what I get on PassMark 9.0 : 19372

 

[dalekdukesboy]

@bobbybluz : No , nothing wonky , I just uncheck the "group tuning", because CPU settings are : 1 core 4.6Ghz, 2 to 7 cores 4.5Ghz. I mean it's all core 4.5Ghz except 1 core 4.6Ghz for the instances when 1 core is used only. (see the photos attached).



@agent_x007 : I already have VCCSA voltage on 1.05V and CPU VTT voltage on 1.1625V . (see photo) . Still having those 2 OC walls mentioned.


Yeah , to go with 4x8Gb 2133 memory sounds a good idea. (I've heard 2400Mhz is an issue on RIVE ??)

On the cooling issue : if I do 4.6Ghz all cores (even with higher Vcore) , it works in Win10 , except when I do stress the CPU : it goes on blue screen, I assume because of the high temperature .
So, probably if I will fit a nice AIO (H150i PRO XT - 360mm AIO with 3 x 120 fans), the cooling will allow me to OC CPU on 4.6Ghz all cores. And maybe even with NH-D15 (I am not a big fan of water cooling)

I am not sure about 4.7Ghz all cores though : it gives me blue screen on Windows even on idle, on low temperatures ....



This is what I get on PassMark 9.0 : 19372

Welcome to thread!

Kinda in a mental funk over here so I'm reading all your messages briefly and tuning out but trying to reply as I feel up to it but those voltages on your VCCSA and VTT are diddly squat, in terms of trying to overclock...just sayin'. You may go much higher and it may or may not fix your wall issue though. I know you're new to thread so welcome!, but also if you can go back and you can find few places where I'm getting 16 gb of memory up to 2800 mhz and I think even a bit higher to work on a RIVE though now I have black version but either way board not much of a limitation especially if you got the coolers you have attached to VRM's etc which should help in this area. Your sample may not do 4.7 stably, but I'm sure you could run benchmarks. Temperature is your biggest obstacle for stability save one, which is voltage. On almost any 1680 to do 4.7 ghz requires voltage nearing or exceeding 1.4 volts, with air it won't happen with stability but you could do benchmarks and should be fine in idle etc.

Also you said 4.6 ghz with "higher" voltage....what exactly was the voltage you topped out at?

 

[tirasoft]

@dalekdukesboy . Hi , thanks for your reply.

Also you said 4.6 ghz with "higher" voltage....what exactly was the voltage you topped out at?

As far as I could understand from various forums, over 1.3V Vcore is not very healthy in terms of long life of the CPU . That's why I was reluctant to set Vcore too high . Indeed max I tried was somewhere at 1.35V . Didn't help with OC over 4.5Ghz ....

I will look up for the posts regarding the RAM overclock , and if I'll find some way , I will try it on.

Your sample may not do 4.7 stably, but I'm sure you could run benchmarks

I am not interested in bechmarks rather in a stable OC for everyday use. 4.5Ghz sounds already pretty ok, but I keep reading on forums oveclockers who managed to go higher on e5-1680v2 / RIVE.

I'll let know if I'll do better in terms of OC.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

@dalekdukesboy . Hi , thanks for your reply.

As far as I could understand from various forums, over 1.3V Vcore is not very healthy in terms of long life of the CPU . That's why I was reluctant to set Vcore too high . Indeed max I tried was somewhere at 1.35V . Didn't help with OC over 4.5Ghz ....

I will look up for the posts regarding the RAM overclock , and if I'll find some way , I will try it on.


I am not interested in bechmarks rather in a stable OC for everyday use. 4.5Ghz sounds already pretty ok, but I keep reading on forums oveclockers who managed to go higher on e5-1680v2 / RIVE.

I'll let know if I'll do better in terms of OC.

Well if I were to quote myself as you I'd have quoted the line about cooling and voltage in that order as being your main obstacles. I hear you on benchmarks I was just making a statement of CPU behavior it's your choice about stability and even how you define it. Reason I'm honing in on my comment on 1. Cooling 2. voltage is that it truly is that simple if you boil it down...if you get the cpu and board vrm's etc nice and cool it will overclock higher with less voltage; so first thing to do if you're aiming for higher on your OC (your oc is quite good for air by the way) is cool it down as much as humanly possible in whatever way suits you best for price, hassle, and noise etc.

If you choose air cooling, 4.5 ghz stable is generally your wall, minus putting 65 db 280 cfm screamer fans in push pull on an nh-d15 and even that I'd bet you'd be lucky to crack 4.6 stable for any length of time and with reasonable temps. I had an nh-D14 on mine to start with and fairly high cfm fans and granted I didn't have a sample as good as one I got now but 4.5ghz or less give or take was it for what I could do. I've got an expandable AIO on it now with 2 rads and multiple fans and temps are way better and obviously stability and voltage have improved. So actually with a less than the top air cooler if you got 4.5 ghz stable that's as I said earlier quite good and with a fairly low voltage.

 

[tirasoft]

I'm getting 16 gb of memory up to 2800 mhz

I did read some of your posts : seem like you've done it with the aid of BLK . To be honest I don't feel so confident to OC that way , keeping the base clock at 100Mhz seems more simple way to do the OC.

those voltages on your VCCSA and VTT are diddly squat

You were right. I did change both VCCSA and VTT to 1.25V and RAM voltage to 1.6V . This way I managed to have a stable 2133Mhz RAM speed , 11-11-11-27 , which is good enough for me.
BUT, the surprise is that going up to 2133Mhz from 1866Mhz , the memory write speed actually went down !?! (see photos)

What would be the reason for that ?

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I did read some of your posts : seem like you've done it with the aid of BLK . To be honest I don't feel so confident to OC that way , keeping the base clock at 100Mhz seems more simple way to do the OC.


You were right. I did change both VCCSA and VTT to 1.25V and RAM voltage to 1.6V . This way I managed to have a stable 2133Mhz RAM speed , 11-11-11-27 , which is good enough for me.
BUT, the surprise is that going up to 2133Mhz from 1866Mhz , the memory write speed actually went down !?! (see photos)

What would be the reason for that ?

There's a bug with Ivy Bridge E and I believe write speeds and they take a dive only on the 100 mhz divider and it appears over a certain mhz as well...this is why I always use the 125 mhz divider. BLK works fine especially since I used the standard profile of that memory that was the EMP profile preset for it I didn't even touch BLK when I set it. Anyhow I believe you also are being bit conservative on your memory voltage considering 1.65 volts is the standard for X79 and you could do up to 1.7 or so no sweat.

 

[tirasoft]

Anyhow I believe you also are being bit conservative on your memory voltage considering 1.65 volts is the standard for X79 and you could do up to 1.7 or so no sweat

Do you think going up with RAM voltage will sort out the write speed bug?
If not , being stable at 1.6V why should I add more ? (Attached voltages from RAM specifications , recommended and maximum...) . 1.5V is the normal voltage for this RAM I have.

I always use the 125 mhz divider

I did try only once to set in BIOS the 125 strap , changing CPU multipliers (x35), RAM showed up by itself as 2333Mhz - didnt touch RAM voltages (was pretty low) or timings. Tried to start - no boot , had to boot with the other Bios chip ....

There's a bug with Ivy Bridge E

You were right again . Both with BLK bug and the RAM voltage.
As soon as I set BLK to manual 102 , and raised the RAM voltage to 1.65V , the bug dissapeared .
The problem is ... it's not stable : during Memtest86 , or even randomly I've got blue screen, even with RAM voltage at 1.72 V ...

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Do you think going up with RAM voltage will sort out the write speed bug?
If not , being stable at 1.6V why should I add more ? (Attached voltages from RAM specifications , recommended and maximum...) . 1.5V is the normal voltage for this RAM I have.


I did try only once to set in BIOS the 125 strap , changing CPU multipliers (x35), RAM showed up by itself as 2333Mhz - didnt touch RAM voltages (was pretty low) or timings. Tried to start - no boot , had to boot with the other Bios chip ....



You were right again . Both with BLK bug and the RAM voltage.
As soon as I set BLK to manual 102 , and raised the RAM voltage to 1.65V , the bug dissapeared .
The problem is ... it's not stable : during Memtest86 , or even randomly I've got blue screen, even with RAM voltage at 1.72 V ...

I'm surprised it won't boot at 125 multiplier, I'd suspect it's the memory speed never heard of one of these cpu's not being able to boot at 125 strap either Ivy E or even Sandy Bridge E I've had multiple chips every one worked. As for the memory instability that could be the memory itself saying it can't do speeds you're trying or it's the CPU memory controller that can't handle it...to rule out the memory controller I'd go to say 1.25 or so on both VCCA and VTT and see if that makes any difference or not.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Any luck with the OC Tirasoft? Also anyone else have any news?

 

[tirasoft]

Any luck with the OC Tirasoft? Also anyone else have any news?

Not really . I did get tired (for the time being) to play witht the unknown and to have the Blue Screen unexpectedly .

So , I went for the stability, for the moment, without trying to go for the last mile of the OC.
That means for me : 4.5 Ghz all cores ( + 4.6 Ghz on 1 core) , 1.31V Vcore, RAM at the stock speed of 1866Mhz but with tighter timings which gives me kind of 52 Mbs bandwidth , VCCA and VTT both 1.25V, 1.575V RAM voltage.
I am ok with the performance as it is.

I might go for replacing RAM in the future with 4x8Gb 2133Mhz, fitting extra storage, fitting a GTX 1080Ti or RTX 2070S .
Also, in terms of OC, I am considering replacing the CPU cooler with a top performance one and see where I can go up with CPU speed. I am thinking probably somewhere around 4.7Ghz maybe ....

I will give a sign when and if I do achieve that.

PS : I think my Hynix memory is not confortable going anywhere up from it's stock speed (like the BLK of 125 pushing it further), that's why cannot go more on OC for the moment.
PPS : I am already thinking what would be a step further in terms of performance as a own built PC . Maybe x99? Maybe Ryzen ? Or to see a real difference from RIVE overclocked will have to go with i9-10700k @ 5.3Ghz on X570 Mobo ?

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Not really . I did get tired (for the time being) to play witht the unknown and to have the Blue Screen unexpectedly .

So , I went for the stability, for the moment, without trying to go for the last mile of the OC.
That means for me : 4.5 Ghz all cores ( + 4.6 Ghz on 1 core) , 1.31V Vcore, RAM at the stock speed of 1866Mhz but with tighter timings which gives me kind of 52 Mbs bandwidth , VCCA and VTT both 1.25V, 1.575V RAM voltage.
I am ok with the performance as it is.

I might go for replacing RAM in the future with 4x8Gb 2133Mhz, fitting extra storage, fitting a GTX 1080Ti or RTX 2070S .
Also, in terms of OC, I am considering replacing the CPU cooler with a top performance one and see where I can go up with CPU speed. I am thinking probably somewhere around 4.7Ghz maybe ....

I will give a sign when and if I do achieve that.

PS : I think my Hynix memory is not confortable going anywhere up from it's stock speed (like the BLK of 125 pushing it further), that's why cannot go more on OC for the moment.
PPS : I am already thinking what would be a step further in terms of performance as a own built PC . Maybe x99? Maybe Ryzen ? Or to see a real difference from RIVE overclocked will have to go with i9-10700k @ 5.3Ghz on X570 Mobo ?

Interesting, I always thought Hynix memory was known for high clocks and loose timings versus Micron which is lower speed and tighter timings. Interesting question on how you can get more performance on a build didn't you build this pc yourself or no? From look of it if you keep VRAMS cool and get really good CPU cooling you should get around 4.7 ghz out of that CPU from what I see.