AMD Launches AMD Ryzen 5000 Series Desktop Processors: The Fastest Gaming CPUs in the World

[Zach_01]

All I know is im grabbing my popcorn and sitting it out and waiting to see if any XT versions of Zen 3 show their face.

I hope you have a silo of corn stored because even if this is in AMD's plans it wont come any time soon, especially now that they "have" the competition in 99.9% of cases with Intel trying to straight out 10nm.
Maybe in a year... If there is something else ZEN3 related I would expect that it would be lower/mid range SKUs. And that is related directly to present 7nm node yields and seems to be much better than last year's.

I could almost say that 7nm yields are so good now that all 4 ZEN3 SKUs are already the "XT"s. AMD is playing all for all this round. Both CPU and GPU devisions.

 

[Turmania]

I bet XT versions will come and at the same price point of when they launch X versions. I do as well believe AMD will lower their asking price of these CPU's before November 5th availability. However, XT version will probably come 6 to 9 months later. Only change is if Intel releases 11th gen sooner than expected.

 

[Zach_01]

I bet XT versions will come and at the same price point of when they launch X versions. I do as well believe AMD will lower their asking price of these CPU's before November 5th availability. However, XT version will probably come 6 to 9 months later. Only change is if Intel releases 11th gen sooner than expected.

I wont argue that.
If the yeilds are good and consistent and launched X versions are something like the 95+% of the working dies then it could require some time for AMD to harvest enough dies for better or even worsts SKUs. (XTs and nonXs).

 

[JrRacinFan]

I hope you have a silo of corn stored because even if this is in AMD's plans it wont come any time soon, especially now that they "have" the competition in 99.9% of cases with Intel trying to straight out 10nm.
Maybe in a year... If there is something else ZEN3 related I would expect that it would be lower/mid range SKUs. And that is related directly to present 7nm node yields and seems to be much better than last year's.

I could almost say that 7nm yields are so good now that all 4 ZEN3 SKUs are already the "XT"s. AMD is playing all for all this round. Both CPU and GPU devisions.

Now I never said I was expecting them at launch sheesh. It could be a year from now and Id be happy.

 

[Zach_01]

The popcorn confused me...

 

[JrRacinFan]

Whatever happenned to XFR? Was that supposed to only be a 1st gen thing?

 

[Zach_01]

XFR still exists. But we call it PBO now, since ZEN2. If it works and under what circumstances is another story much much complicated.

 

[GoldenX]

Now we wait for Intel to release Gen 11 so Zen3 lowers prices.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

Now we wait for Intel to release Gen 11 so Zen3 lowers prices.

That will be a paper launch in 6 months time...

 

[RandallFlagg]

Now we wait for Intel to release Gen 11 so Zen3 lowers prices.

Actually I imagine that Intel will lower prices earlier, even if not officially. You can already get a 10700 for $299 at Microcenter, $319 at Newegg, and $317 at B&H Photo. Given that the 10700 has a fan with it, this actually makes it cheaper than a 5600X @$299 + $30 fan.

I think the 10850K launch makes a lot more sense now. Intel probably knew that the 5800X would come in right at $450, which is exactly where the 10c/20t 10850K sits.

Probably something worth noting. Intel 14nm, they own the fab, and it's super efficient with high yields. I don't think AMD/TSMC will win a price war with Intel, I bet Intel could sell the 10850K for $300 and still make more money than AMD can make on a 5800X at $450. But it sure would be nice if someone would start a price war.

 

[GoldenX]

I don't think AMD's prices are due to low yields. It seems to be that high only to beat a dead horse and get higher profits.
Intel CPUs are more expensive to make, a monolithic 10 core will always be more expensive than a CPU with separate dies that can be modulated at will.

 

[R0H1T]

I have a hard time believing that a 10c chip with all 10 cores enabled is so easy to make that Intel's making a boatload money off of it. Unless of course you also believe it's a 12c die harvested part? Intel's margins may still be a bit higher overall but not by much. Chiplets are the future & that's why Intel is so desperate to get their hands on the glue!

 

[GoldenX]

See? The Pentium D + FX idea wasn't wrong at all, it was just ahead of its time.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Uhh, so I made that statement assuming people knew but okay.

Both of them are actually making bank. Keep in mind these are pecentages and Intel sells a heck of a lot more chips than AMD (like more than 5x more).

Intel also has its foundries to build and maintain, which AMD doesn't, but AMD has to pay TSMC to fab its chips which means TSMC gets a cut.

 

[wheresmycar]

Uhh, so I made that statement assuming people knew but okay.

Both of them are actually making bank. Keep in mind these are pecentages and Intel sells a heck of a lot more chips than AMD (like more than 5x more).

Intel also has its foundries to build and maintain, which AMD doesn't, but AMD has to pay TSMC to fab its chips which means TSMC gets a cut.




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2020 not looking fat-healthy but healthy for intel. Is that a "hold my hand" dip or "i'll show you in the 1st Qtr of 2021" wink?

I wander what these charts would look like after subtracting other expenses (net profit)? Question is, is AMD 10% or more economical overall? Randallflag get digging!

 

[RandallFlagg]

Well, the dip happened for both Intel and AMD, but much worse for Intel. That's a Covid dip.

Goes back to AMD isn't the one making the chips, TSMC is. AMD basically just has a big engineering facility, and employ only 11,000 people. AMD didn't have to change much, just their schedules for delivery of chips probably slid a bit.

Manufacturers are affected very differently, Intel had to furlough / shut down manufacturing for a while. They have many fabs in multiple countries, and employ over 110,000 - literally 10x more people than AMD.

 

[oobymach]

Anyone else notice they skipped 4000? My guess is a hardware flaw that was only noticed partway through manufacturing, why else would they skip a gen?

 

[bencrutz]

Anyone else notice they skipped 4000? My guess is a hardware flaw that was only noticed partway through manufacturing, why else would they skip a gen?

yeah, sure sherlock

 

[Makaveli]

Anyone else notice they skipped 4000? My guess is a hardware flaw that was only noticed partway through manufacturing, why else would they skip a gen?

 

[dragontamer5788]

Both of them are actually making bank.

[SNIP...]

Those graphs are gross profits. Aka: how to lie with graphs.

* Revenue -- "Money made"
* Gross Profit: Revenue - COGS, aka used to calculate "margin".
* Net Profit: Revenue - COGS - a whole bunch of other stuff. Also known as "The Bottom Line".

It always bothers me when people talk Gross instead of Net. Just because it has the word "profit" in it doesn't mean its what colloquial people understand as profits. If "profit" is unspecified, there's usually an underlying assumption that you're talking about Net.

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Here's a comparison of Intel's Net profit vs AMD's Net Profit. Very different story, eehhh? That's billions of dollars by the way.

 

[londiste]

Anyone else notice they skipped 4000? My guess is a hardware flaw that was only noticed partway through manufacturing, why else would they skip a gen?

This was absolutely the right move. They should have CPU and APU lines aligned from now on.
Previously:
- Ryzen 2000 CPUs were Zen+, Ryzen 2000G APUs were Zen.
- Ryzen 3000 CPUs were Zen2, Ryzen 3000G APUs were Zen+
- Ryzen 4000G APUs were Zen2.
Now Ryzen 5000 CPUs are Zen3 and presumably Ryzen 5000G APUs will also be Zen3.
Same applies to mobile, which were and are on the APU side of things.

I don't think AMD's prices are due to low yields. It seems to be that high only to beat a dead horse and get higher profits.
Intel CPUs are more expensive to make, a monolithic 10 core will always be more expensive than a CPU with separate dies that can be modulated at will.

I really wish we had good sources on how much it costs to manufacture all of this but there is a good chance that 10-core may not be more expensive to manufacture.
- Intel 10-core is 206mm² (as a sidenote, pretty close to Zen/Zen+ dies in size).
- Ryzen 3000 is 75mm² CCD plus 125mm² IO Die. Probably minor additional cost from chiplet packaging (and 5000 is presumably pretty much the same).
Two things that factor in here are yields - which by educated guess are either the same or still better for 14nm than 7nm even with these die sizes - and costs - where 7nm still seems to cost 1.6x what 12/14/16nm costs.
I think overall manufacturing costs come out a wash if not even a slight edge for Intel.

By the way, Intel seems to be using 6-core die (150mm²) in addition to the 10-core one. 10-core die goes into 8 and 10 core SKUs plus 10600K.

 

[AsRock]

Prices goes UP a bit......
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But so did the performance, a fair bit too. On top of that 12 core 24threads is hella deal for $550 and if it was not for AMD be on a lot less for that price.

 

[londiste]

But so did the performance, a fair bit too. On top of that 12 core 24threads is hella deal for $550 and if it was not for AMD be on a lot less for that price.

We will have to wait for reviews and see. Intel has been out of this run from get-go and $549 5900X (12c/24t, 3.7/4.8GHz) is going against 3900X (12c/24t, 3.8/4.6GHz) with MSRP of $499 and street prices around $400. Notable big improvements like 8-core CCDs are not likely to have much of an effect on well-threaded productivity performance. Manufacturing process is the same, so limited efficiency boost - and base clock is specced 100MHz lower. This should be interesting

Edit:
Well, technically 3900X has been succeeded by 3900XT at the same price point and basically identical spec except a 100MHz higher boost clock.

 

[AsRock]

3900X $500 ?, don't you mean the 3900XT ?. i got my 3900X 8 month ago for $430 and would not surprised to see it go lower than $400 before EOL.

3900XT is around $70 more and no cooler but the cooler will depend on the user.

 

[Calmmo]

Mine was 500 ~3.5 months after launch. That was after actively trying acquire one for the entirety of those first 3 months and not being able to.
(people like to talk about nvidia paper launches these days, but AMD did exact the same thing with their R9 CPUs just last year, wont be surpised if its the same with 5000 again)