[POLL] Will you be buying a Zen3/Ryzen 5000 CPU?

[R0H1T]

You're forgetting one thing, much like many others on this forum ~ 7nm demand is huge & only surging atm, especially now that TSMC's rumored to be used by Nvidia for a refreshed Ampere lineup. If AMD were to price zen3 chips competitively their Zen & Zen+ chips will have to be discounted even more, remember that thing called WSA, not to mention zen2 demand will also drop even if marginally? So AMD will not only have to make up for the increase in demand for zen3 chips they'll have to divert the same chiplets from the much higher margin HPC or severs, not to mention probably cut down on the production of notebook/console or some other high volume chips. None of that's a good deal for AMD, also people tend to mix up what they want & they need ~ you likely do not need zen3 chips to survive, if you absolutely want (or need) it you will have to pay for it. This also applies to Ampere, stop making it sound as if PC parts are a life & death thing

 

[xman2007]

You're forgetting one thing, much like many others on this forum ~ 7nm demand is huge & only surging atm, especially now that TSMC's rumored to be used by Nvidia for a refreshed Ampere lineup. If AMD were to price zen3 chips competitively their Zen & Zen+ chips will have to be discounted even more, remember that thing called WSA, not to mention zen2 demand will also drop even if marginally? So AMD will not only have to make up for the increase in demand for zen3 chips they'll have to divert the same chiplets from the much higher margin HPC or severs, not to mention probably cut down on the production of notebook/console or some other high volume chips. None of that's a good deal for AMD, also people tend to mix up what they want & they need ~ you likely do not need zen3 chips to survive, if you absolutely want (or need) it you will have to pay for it. This also applies to Ampere, stop making it sound as if PC parts are a life & death thing

You don't think they already have a sizable allocation of 7nm for zen3 CPU's? It's not a free for all so nvidia can't just come in and gobble all the 7nm allocation it wants and to hell with anyone else.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Some European pricing here, which makes these insanely expensive. More pricing if you click through.

AMD Ryzen 5000 (Zen3) series' European pricing spotted - VideoCardz.com

Retailers have already begun listing AMD Ryzen 5000 series processors, although they are still almost a month away. AMD Ryzen 5000 series European pricing Guys over at Overclock3D collected pricing information of AMD Ryzen 5000 series from UK retailers (mainly Overclockers UK). These processors...

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[95Viper]

Stay on topic and be nice...
Thank You and hav a good day.

 

[R0H1T]

You don't think they already have a sizable allocation of 7nm for zen3 CPU's? It's not a free for all so nvidia can't just come in and gobble all the 7nm allocation it wants and to hell with anyone else.

They ought to but enough doesn't mean free for all, that is to say that current demand from consumer market is not a priority for multiple reasons some of which I've listed above. Console (SoC) demand is usually at or near peak when it's launched especially during the holiday season. Then there's the notebook & much higher margin server, HPC space. All of these segments are pretty big, I'd argue (much) bigger than DIY enthusiasts & in some ways more important for AMD as well. Pricing zen3 chips any lower & they'll likely cannibalize zen2 sales, zen & zen+ chips may also be under threat in certain markets. There's probably some stock left of TR1 & TR2 chips, you can bet they'll be a much harder sell if zen3 is available relatively cheaply. So in the interest of (nearly) everyone involved, except the end user of course, why would AMD want to create additional drama & headache for themselves & their partners?

If AMD could maximize revenues & profits with the capacity they already have they'd obviously sell all the chips the market demands, looking at the demand though I can't see how they can cope with all of it right now. So they're tapering demand with high pricing, not to mention maximizing profits while they can. In terms of volumes, perhaps with the exception of Apple & Intel, there's no one close to AMD who's making such high perf (CPU) parts right now.

 

[xman2007]

Some European pricing here, which makes these insanely expensive. More pricing if you click through.

AMD Ryzen 5000 (Zen3) series' European pricing spotted - VideoCardz.com

Retailers have already begun listing AMD Ryzen 5000 series processors, although they are still almost a month away. AMD Ryzen 5000 series European pricing Guys over at Overclock3D collected pricing information of AMD Ryzen 5000 series from UK retailers (mainly Overclockers UK). These processors...

videocardz.com

About what I would have expected as prices in $ for hardware just tend to be converted to euros/£ 1 for 1 these days, I'm assuming they have VAT included also?

 

[INSTG8R]

Some European pricing here, which makes these insanely expensive. More pricing if you click through.

AMD Ryzen 5000 (Zen3) series' European pricing spotted - VideoCardz.com

Retailers have already begun listing AMD Ryzen 5000 series processors, although they are still almost a month away. AMD Ryzen 5000 series European pricing Guys over at Overclock3D collected pricing information of AMD Ryzen 5000 series from UK retailers (mainly Overclockers UK). These processors...

videocardz.com

I would expect a little “Day 1 inflation“ hopefully availability of stock will prevent it staying inflated and settle on the. MSRP.

 

[Zach_01]

If you are not from EU then you dont know about EU pricing. There is a good amount of VAT over US prices.
When a hardware launched in US for 300$ in Europe it arrives at least for 300~320€ (350~370$) without any inflation. With an inflation it would be around 330~350+€.

 

[Sithaer]

If you are not from EU then you dont know about EU pricing. There is a good amount of VAT over US prices.
When a hardware launched in US for 300$ in Europe it arrives at least for 300~320€ (350~370$) without any inflation. With an inflation it would be around 330~350+€.

Pretty much.
Thats why I stoped caring about $ MSRP cause in my country the real prices can be very different and until I see the prices here I don't /can't make decisions.

Reminds me when the 2060 was supposedly lowered in price and yet the damn thing still cost almost the same right now as at relase, or the KO being more expensive than the rest even tho that meant to be cheaper. '~410$'

 

[ShurikN]

I voted for "Yes when prices come down perhaps in the NY"
But in reality I'll wait for a cheaper 6 core. 300e is simply too much for me. Especially since Ryzen 3000 launch had a 6 core for 200, this launch has a 6 core for 300. That's a 50% price increase for 20% more performance. Not cool AMD, not cool...

 

[xman2007]

I voted for "Yes when prices come down perhaps in the NY"
But in reality I'll wait for a cheaper 6 core. 300e is simply too much for me. Especially since Ryzen 3000 launch had a 6 core for 200, this launch has a 6 core for 300. That's a 50% price increase for 20% more performance. Not cool AMD, not cool...

your comparing the 5600X to a 3600 non X, there's a difference there right away the 3600x was 250e upon release, and the 20% performance improvement is IPC, it will be closer to 30%+ maybe more compared to a 3600 when you also factor in the higher clock/boost speeds.

That said there should ne a non x variant or a cheaper 6 core coming at some point, likely the same with the gap between the 5600x and the 5800x etc 4 SKU's will not be all they release

 

[Zach_01]

Just check the local market for RTX3080...

No FE cards of course and the AIBs starting from 900€ (1065$) up to 1100€ (1300$), with a cherry on top of the unknown availability (up to 30 days they say but its clearly a lie)... This is with inflation of course.
Still 2080Tis are listed at 1200~1500€.

I voted for "Yes when prices come down perhaps in the NY"
But in reality I'll wait for a cheaper 6 core. 300e is simply too much for me. Especially since Ryzen 3000 launch had a 6 core for 200, this launch has a 6 core for 300. That's a 50% price increase for 20% more performance. Not cool AMD, not cool...

Actually is +30% for single thread that passes 3900X single thread performance by ~20%.
As for all-core performance we dont know the all-core boost yet but at same speed it would be around +15~20%.

The price hikes has nothing to do with cores or all core performance. Its all about single core and gaming performance. Its a trade off. Now even the 5600X will be better than 3900XT/3950X at gaming.

 

[ShurikN]

your comparing the 5600X to a 3600 non X, there's a difference there right away the 3600x was 250e upon release, and the 20% performance improvement is IPC, it will be closer to 30%+ maybe more compared to a 3600 when you also factor in the higher clock/boost speeds.

No I'm comparing what was available at launch. 3600X was so meagerly faster than a non X, that no one bought them (and AMD knows it). So in a realistic scenario it's a 5600X vs 3600. That's a 50% price hike. If they offered a 5600 non X for 250, that would be somewhat ok.

 

[xman2007]

No I'm comparing what was available at launch. 3600X was so meagerly faster than a non X, that no one bought them (and AMD knows it). So in a realistic scenario it's a 5600X vs 3600. That's a 50% price hike. If they offered a 5600 non X for 250, that would be somewhat ok.

Well contrary to your opinion, plenty of people bought the 3600x the only difference this time round is that they haven't announced the 5600 non-x alongside the 5600x and it's not a realistic scenario, it's still a slightly different lower binned sku from the 3600x even if the difference in your eyes is meagre, we all know there is no more overclocking of CPU's so an extra 150-200mhz was worth it to those who bought a 3600x perhaps? as I mentioned though there will be other options, whether that's upon release or slightly later, so you will see a 250e 6 core 5600 more than likely, expect prices to drop 20e or so after the initial frenzy of the release as well, maybe around/just after NY.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Other. Expaination: no.

Extra comments: I already have a 3900x. Lucky enoughto get it boosting and running well on a Strix x370-f. Sooner upgrade to a new gpu and that may be a while off at this point. They look great. Ive run gens 1-3 on this board and its always been nice. 3900x is really looking like a good balance though. The price balance there I think might be as good as it gets for a while. And Im okay with that. Highly suspect this platform will carry me for a good few years. Maybe 2-3 gens past this one Id consider it. Itd be a shame to let a great chip go so soon.

Plus... I have other hobbies. That upgrade is a whole new musical instrument, camera lens, piece of audio equipment, bike, saw... Ive got problems with the stuff to do the stuff. I want to do all of this stuff that requires things. My pc already does the things. So many things go further for me than yet another cpu upgrade. Im actually super happy to have scored a cpu that frees me up to invest in other fun things these next few years. Hats off to AMD for that. Keep going at this rate, the next upgrade in a few years will have my 3900x looking like a pentium.

I'm postponing a purchase because AMD has decided to make a quick buck and removed 5700X from the lineup. No way I'm downgrading from 3700X to 5600X and 5800X is too ****ing expensive, thank you very much.

AMD fans on TPU are trying hard to justify the fact that AMD is now copying the worst monopolistic companies in the world by raising their prices quite significantly and that's a strange phenomenon I cannot quite understand. I mean they've always hated Intel and NVIDIA for offering the highest performance at not so good prices and now that AMD does exactly that, it's suddenly OK. WTF?!

I keep hearing AMD needs money for R&D and ... Intel and NVIDIA do not? Really? These two companies use AI and aliens to develop new products, right? They get them basically for free? Is it how AMD fans rationalize AMD's worst behavior since Athlon 64 when they sold their CPUs at insane prices?

Should I remind people how much AMD charged for Athlon 64 FX-57 in 2005 when Intel pushed their Prescott atrocity? 1031 ****ing dollars.

History repeats.



Quite agree with you. 3700X was great, while 5800X is the absolute worst in the new lineup.

I'd imagine the older generation chips will remain to be sold, and will likely drop in price, thinking about the market as a whole they're serving themselves as best they can, chip's depreciate with time and while supplies are constrained and something is new it's fair enough to recoup some expenses, Intel are not sleeping,. They will be competitive.

 

[Aeeu]

I'm definitely waiting for Intel's Rocket Lake.

With AMD's marketing hype on Zen 3 and price increase (greed?) with no significant performance increase even per IPC. All I have to say is I am disappointed with AMD. They're starting to believe their own crap. All you hear from them is "ITS GOT 7NM, INTEL IS FAR BEHIND." Well, Intel operates their own fabrication plants and is moving to 10nm, while AMD does not.

I mean it's worth just getting a Zen 2, the price per performance ratio is there. But I'll wait for Rocket Lake.

 

[Hyderz]

not gonna get ryzen 5k series.
ive got an i9 9900k this system will do for me, i have scheduled myself to upgrade in 2025.
will see whats in the market then, might see intel, amd and nvidia duking it out.

 

[Valantar]

I'm definitely waiting for Intel's Rocket Lake.

With AMD's marketing hype on Zen 3 and price increase (greed?) with no significant performance increase even per IPC. All I have to say is I am disappointed with AMD. They're starting to believe their own crap. All you hear from them is "ITS GOT 7NM, INTEL IS FAR BEHIND." Well, Intel operates their own fabrication plants and is moving to 10nm, while AMD does not.

I mean it's worth just getting a Zen 2, the price per performance ratio is there. But I'll wait for Rocket Lake.

I have to ask the obvious question: how is an IPC increase of 19% not significant, especially when combined with higher clocks?

 

[HD64G]

Another important factor to decide on buying a CPU: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Security-August-2020

 

[Zach_01]

I'm definitely waiting for Intel's Rocket Lake.

With AMD's marketing hype on Zen 3 and price increase (greed?) with no significant performance increase even per IPC. All I have to say is I am disappointed with AMD. They're starting to believe their own crap. All you hear from them is "ITS GOT 7NM, INTEL IS FAR BEHIND." Well, Intel operates their own fabrication plants and is moving to 10nm, while AMD does not.

I mean it's worth just getting a Zen 2, the price per performance ratio is there. But I'll wait for Rocket Lake.

Wellcome to TPU! Your first post rocks!
By the time RocketLake arrives the winter will be over... You have A/C?

Now seriously, AMD and nVidia knows that to hold fabs that constantly need upgrades and expansions is not viable for their "small" line of products. So they let others do it like TSMC, Global Foundries and so. Intel is another story... Just because they have fabs, doesnt make them superior in engineering.
Intel now is moving back to 14++++nm from 10nm that RocketLake was originated in the first place. They forced to import it back to 14nm because as of now 10nm "do not want" to comply , and they need something to show to the market. To state that they are here.
We wont see anything desktop related on 10nm from Intel until 2022, maybe 2023. Something worthy...

And what makes AMD better right now (this may change in few years) is not "they got the 7nm" hype... If it wasnt AMD we will still have i3s sell for i7s. You should be thankfull to AMD that pushed the whole PC market forward and making Intel to stand up from the throne and actually do something.

These arguments about who's (both) got what is childish. Other things count and the performance, price, value of each platform can speak.
Hopefully Intel wakes up soon because that it is in our interest.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Another important factor to decide on buying a CPU: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Security-August-2020

Nah, no-one cares about that

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Thought the percentage of immediately would be much higher

By the time RocketLake arrives the winter will be over... You have A/C?

Har Har very droll

I'm keeping my current setup anyway. it's fine until i see what intel has, in the mean time i can always snag a cheap(er) 9700k

 

[Zach_01]

Thought the percentage of immediately would be much higher

Thats odd indeed... even fanboys finally acquire brains. I didnt vote that either...

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Thats odd indeed... even fanboys finally acquire brains. I didnt vote that either...

Maybe the price hikes have something to do with it. but tbh there is really no need to switch to every new gen when it comes out now.

 

[Valantar]

Maybe the price hikes have something to do with it. but tbh there is really no need to switch to every new gen when it comes out now.

There really hasn't been a reason to do that since Sandy Bridge. I don't see the lack of eager day 1 upgrades as surprising though: given how lacklustre CPUs have been for half a decade, a lot of people have held off for a long time. Many of those went for a Zen 2 upgrade, which would make upgrading again rather silly, while those who didn't have little incentive to rush - if you've held off on upgrading for several years already, another 6 months won't make a difference