NVIDIA Reportedly Moving Ampere to 7 nm TSMC in 2021

[mtcn77]

What a ridiculous way to spin what happened.

Yes. The underdog collecting all leftover production commitments at rock bottom price that big players turned down, sitting on their laurels, and later becoming incumbent upon the said production volume that made the underdog sitting on a gold mine? Unbelievable.

I wish I could understand you.

You have to understand this is a multi-faceted conspiracy, Intel taking an arrow to the knee, Nvidia designing their own sticky situation, all parts conspiring so that I for one welcome AMD as our new PC Overlords, on top of even bigger rivals.
I've been having these conspiracies for quite some time now. Doesn't matter any more whether it is a joke now that it is real, is it?

Spoiler: Doesn't matter it's a joke if it is real, isn't it?

Intel shut the EUV door on itself so deliberately that they sort of masterminded their own disadvantage. Lasertec inventing light inspection machines that got booked for years on end had them drop even further in the node race. Now, the rest of the manufacturers have a fast path to both DUV which spare a portion of mask verification runtime and EUV which is now even more readily deployed as 5nm. GJ Intel, you have successfully let yourself become a fast follower.

Making cold calls on Intel newscast with blanket 'shilling' accusations is my modus. Looks like they happen to take the bait quite well.
PS: Jesus! If I play nice, I might even turn the medium into 4chan. Just need more instigating rabble and the right stir pot.

 

[R-T-B]

Yes. The underdog collecting all leftover production commitments at rock bottom price that big players turned down, sitting on their laurels, and later becoming incumbent upon the said production volume that made the underdog sitting on a gold mine? Unbelievable.


You have to understand this is a multi-faceted conspiracy, Intel taking an arrow to the knee, Nvidia designing their own sticky situation, all parts conspiring so that I for one welcome AMD as our new PC Overlords, on top of even bigger rivals.
I've been having these conspiracies for quite some time now. Doesn't matter any more whether it is a joke now that it is real, is it?

Cool story bro.

 

[witkazy]

Whew, dodged another one , anyone wanna chip in for monument in honor of Unknown Scalper

 

[John Naylor]

Wow ... these "conclusions from scant rumors are pretty wild ... next we'll be reading that Jemsen is using white slave child labor to insert the chips in the PCbs and smuggling them thru a network of pizzaria basements

 

[medi01]

collecting all leftover

Sure thing, kid, AMD that commands 100% of major console market (tens of millions of chips every year) was "collecting leftover".
It is interesting that you mentioned that other company, which isn't even relevant.

Reality it seems, is that Huang has pissed of yet another major player (Microsoft is the other notable one which didn't even bother contacting NV for console business, it went so badly) TSMC.
And that now NV is in dire situation of Big Navi likely wiping the floor with GA104, while GA102 being too expensive/power hungry/not fit with its memory configuration to compete.
So now Huang needs to eat crow and crawl back to TSMC.

 

[mtcn77]

Sure thing, kid, AMD that commands 100% of major console market (tens of millions of chips every year) was "collecting leftover".
It is interesting that you mentioned that other company, which isn't even relevant.

Well, it is relevant if you didn't get the memo. Pureplay foundries don't entitle licensees the right to a swift migration, if the migrated supply chain is a "third party".
Nvidia should have known full well that they would not have "time to market" advantage with a full assembly line switch; in fact that they would have to spend overtime in order to sort out the differences.

Reality it seems, is that Huang has pissed of yet another major player

Don't make a scene. You're breaking old news.

(Microsoft is the other notable one which didn't even bother contacting NV for console business, it went so badly) TSMC.

This is a recall from the 2008 ball joint qualification standards. Xbox had its name tarnished due to bga connections breaking up on them. Community was up in arms about it And it doesn't occur anymore with AMD at the wheel.

 

[R-T-B]

This is a recall from the 2008 ball joint qualification standards. Xbox had its name tarnished due to bga connections breaking up on them. Community was up in arms about it And it doesn't occur anymore with AMD at the wheel.

That was due to the type of lead free solder used, not the fab. Heh. As if amd even had a fab.

 

[mtcn77]

That was due to the type of lead free solder used, not the fab. Heh. As if amd even had a fab.

Ironically, we both avoided a strike, left unsaid, which company was behind the incident. Classy...

 

[R-T-B]

Ironically, we both avoided a strike, left unsaid, which company was behind the incident. Classy...

The company behind the incident would be the PCB assembler in this case, or otherwise Microsoft for their part choice.

 

[terroralpha]

if anyone is still hunting for ampere, i don't think you should. i was playing games last night next to a computer with an RTX 3090. while the card was running cool, it was shitting out so much heat that it felt like i was sitting next to a space heater. my central AC thermostat is set to 70*F and i still had to crack a window (45 outside) to not sweat. ive had power hungry GPUs before but this is ridiculous.

i had a 2080ti and an RX 5700XT in this same PC before this, but i never had this problem. i think i'm going to return my 3090 and wait for a 7nm ampere. in the meantime, the LG 38" ultragear monitor will hopefully come down from $1600

PS: If anyone thinks I’m just being an nvidia hater (which I was accused of elsewhere) I have a CPU-Z validation link in my sig showing my 3090.

 

[Zach_01]

Yes, going from 220~250W to 350+W is something, to be sweat about. Wait a few weeks and AMD will join with her own ~300W, maybe more, GPU...

 

[Chrispy_]

if anyone is still hunting for ampere, i don't think you should. i was playing games last night next to a computer with an RTX 3090. while the card was running cool, it was shitting out so much heat that it felt like i was sitting next to a space heater. my central AC thermostat is set to 70*F and i still had to crack a window (45 outside) to not sweat. ive had power hungry GPUs before but this is ridiculous.

i had a 2080ti and an RX 5700XT in this same PC before this, but i never had this problem. i think i'm going to return my 3090 and wait for a 7nm ampere. in the meantime, the LG 38" ultragear monitor will hopefully come down from $1600

This is why I refuse to even look at anything over 250W and I'm currently running my 2070S at an 85% power limit to keep its output to a reasonable 180W or so.

I have a quiet apartment and I don't have air conditioning so excessive heat and/or noise are not something I'm keen on.

Even though I'm no eco-hippy I can't help feel that massively overpowered GPUs are also environmentally wasteful. I'll take 120fps at 180W over 200fps at 375W any day of the week...

 

[Mussels]

if anyone is still hunting for ampere, i don't think you should. i was playing games last night next to a computer with an RTX 3090. while the card was running cool, it was shitting out so much heat that it felt like i was sitting next to a space heater. my central AC thermostat is set to 70*F and i still had to crack a window (45 outside) to not sweat. ive had power hungry GPUs before but this is ridiculous.

i had a 2080ti and an RX 5700XT in this same PC before this, but i never had this problem. i think i'm going to return my 3090 and wait for a 7nm ampere. in the meantime, the LG 38" ultragear monitor will hopefully come down from $1600

PS: If anyone thinks I’m just being an nvidia hater (which I was accused of elsewhere) I have a CPU-Z validation link in my sig showing my 3090.

I wont get my 3080 til late november, so i can at least see what AMD is packing before it ships

 

[mtcn77]

The company behind the incident would be the PCB assembler in this case, or otherwise Microsoft for their part choice.

... happened not just in Microsoft's console... people did not like it, lawsuits were filed, all fingers pointed to a single green colored direction. Have fun with koolaid.

 

[R-T-B]

... happened not just in Microsoft's console... people did not like it, lawsuits were filed, all fingers pointed to a single green colored direction. Have fun with koolaid.

Ah yes, lead-free solder koolaid, the best kind!

Do keep in mind neither AMD nor nvidia provides solder. Is it bad I don't even know which "green company" Kool aid I am supposedly enjoying?

 

[mtcn77]

Do keep in mind neither AMD nor nvidia provides solder.

Well, in that case, it must have been done very deliberately since they couldn't mess it up any other way. Some quality measures must have been violated. Sour grapes.

 

[R-T-B]

Well, in that case, it must have been done very deliberately since they couldn't mess it up any other way. Some quality measures must have been violated. Sour grapes.

Well the solder they used in the Xenon batch was literally recalled later, so yeah.

 

[mtcn77]

Well the solder they used in the Xenon batch was literally recalled later, so yeah.

K.

You know this was publicly available information, right?

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Do you have a sense of what it means? I'm losing patience here.

Spoiler: Here we go: 3... 2... 1...

From this email, Plaintiffs conclude that there are “known industry concerns with ․ the use of high-lead solder.” They also conclude, “Defendants knew and/or deliberately disregarded that their GPU and MCP problems likely stemmed from this hasty, under-tested manufacturing change initiated in 2006.”

... We couldn't figure it out. ... There was a theory. We had changed our solder, which is the way you put the GPU and the fans, to lead-free. ... We think it was somehow the heat coming off the GPU was drying out some of the solder, and it wasn't the normal stuff we'd used, because we had to meet European Standards and take the lead out. ... He said, 'what's it going to cost?' I remember taking a deep breath, looking at Robbie, and saying, 'we think it's $1.15bn, Steve.' He said, 'do it.' There was no hesitation. ... If we hadn't made that decision there and then, and tried to fudge over this problem, then the Xbox brand and Xbox One wouldn't exist today."[24]

 

[R-T-B]

K.

You know this was publicly available information, right?

Um... yeah? That was sort of my point.

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Do you have a sense of what it means? I'm losing patience here.

It means they tried a new solder type when they shouldn't have, that didn't meet the thermal specs they thought it did. It also means they were really pushing their cooling capacity and solution. I'm sorry but I really don't know where your going with this.

 

[HeavyHemi]

Um... yeah? That was sort of my point.



It means they tried a new solder type when they shouldn't have, that didn't meet the thermal specs they thought it did. It also means they were really pushing their cooling capacity and solution. I'm sorry but I really don't know where your going with this.

He doesn't either. A similar issue with the original iMac. I was personally involved with the board design at a separate company and know precisely the failure mode of the logic board and the fact that Apple hid the design flaw.

 

[tygrus]

Only a 5% chance of this occurring before September 2021. More likely for RTX3060 & mobile for volume. Changing FAB company&node requires redesign & qualification using new design rules which is costly & time-consuming. 2 to 3 Months to change design to new node geometry, atleast 7months for A1, test, fix, ES, test, fix, final, test, release. Add another 2 months if it requires another revision.