At this point, it seems like he's just looking for any pretext to be contentious toward AMD... He said himself that he owns Intel, and has no desire to upgrade.... What's weird is that he said he has a 10980xe which was basically non existent in the DIY market so of he doesn't own a pre-built, I feel like he's maybe not being so truthful. Either way, he's basically stated he will in now way be a customer of AMD CPUs or GPUs, so what's the point of him picking them apart.
Not sure how you missed my meaning... it wasn't subtle. Let's try again.
1. I don't bullshit. Feel free to go look in the Cinebench R23 thread (the closed one) for the results and proof I own a 10980XE (
Link to buying one).
2. I don't own a prebuilt. I recently (a few weeks ago, pre Zen3) bought this chip. I couldn't find it for MONTHS prior to that time. In fact I forgot about it. Anyway, I got it for a good deal, and will cost me a pittance once the other chip sells. If I didn't get the deal, I would have stuck with what I had (a 16c/32t 7960X) for longer. In other words... Why would I 'upgrade' to Zen3 from
my CPU today/upon Zen3 release? The performance difference is nill. Timing is everything! Had the timing been today, I would have a tough decision to make, no doubt (all money matters the same)! I'll quote exactly what I said again... you extracted context that simply wasn't there.
I've got an i9-10980XE, previously a 7960x (see FS section, lol) for the cost of a 5950x... I'm not touching Zen3 with that monster.
Tell me, now that you've seen my quote, again.... how many people do you think would bail on a 10980XE they just bought a few weeks ago and is the 'latest and greatest' on that side for a 5950X? Not many at all. THAT, dear boy, is why I wouldn't buy Zen3 for the next couple of years. For the record, one of my children's PC rocks a Ryzen...Zen2. That machine has a 5700XT in it (what were you making up about me not owning an AMD GPU?). The Zen 1 rig would happily like a Zen3. The Zen2, MEH.
2a. Again, timing is everything... so is reading for comprehension instead of plucking out context that wasn't there.
3. Pricing...see below.
5950x ($750) / 3950x ($750) - Same (3950x = ~6 months later)
5900X ($550) / 3900X ($499) - Higher
5800X ($450) / 3800x ($399) - Higher
5600X ($299) / 3700x ($330) - Lower
I wish your perspective on pricing others have (and hope you do too) for Nvidia GPUs...they are the 'best at everything' (sans power use - and now 'tied' as the best, lol), prices dropped significantly and you are getting gobs more performance at a lower price than the previous generation card (yes, Turing was inflated, it is what it is). I just went over this in another thread, in fact.
That said, I do agree with your sentiment that AMD doesn't need to be cheaper now and people shouldn't expect it. I'm not saying there are out line, I simply said they cost more now... and at the moment, half of its product stack does... one is the same. Only one is the price lower.
EDIT: That said, let's see how these 6000 series GPUs shake out, eh? Can't say I need an upgrade from a 3080... but surely these are going to be really good cards using less power and priced a bit lower. And for those who can't get over the vRAM issue or mods their games to necessitating more, they have it at the ready. Here is to hoping the drivers continue the recent hot streak.
