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Yep. Old AT cases (Not ATX) had their power switch coming directly from the PSU, and not the today's little wire you got in ATX boards.

Hmmmm, AT boards... I remember hooking up the PSU wires the wrong way instantly frying a Socket 7 board. It was that day that ive learned that AT PSU cable's needed to have the black sides in the middle, and not the outside.
Ooops! :eek:

Happy to say, I never fried AT board like that. I almost did (the first time I assembled "AT" machine), but fortunately for me & my MMX, someone was kind enough to point it out on the forum & it's been stuck inside my head ever since!
 
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I cant find alot of pics in relation of that Q-tec triple fan thing, but geezus, it had some serious components, lol.

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Check the double transformers which was added addtional compared to the lower end models. That thing seriously had an efficiency crisis; coud'nt hold a proper load. It did run 2 systems that i had in the past very well; i think it was a S754 Sempron 3000+ and AM2 X2 5000+ later. Even the sempron was overclocked using a chiller at -25 degrees at 4.1Ghz or so lol.

The q-tec never blew up or anything; but it was common to have voltage rails drop down below what was accepted like 4.4V or 11.3V or so lol.
 

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People report favorably on 48 gig installed ( cannot personalty vouch on this )
As noted above @Mr Bill , I would guess either 32 gigs or 48 gigs. Probably since a newer BIOS. Did you read what changes were made in the latest BIOS?
Just a thought guys, would it not be the limit of the CPU that's in the socket or did hey limit the motherboards to what they were able to take?? I know in a rare setup, that the SR-2 with Xeon's could handle 96GB RAM but..... just a thought :)

Here's a few from last night...

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Ah the memories....
And the memories of trying to figure out what this damn plug was for....

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Still have no clue to this day!! Could anyone enlighten me?? :)

I'll get some more pictures for you guys soon... I managed to test done of 3 of the 4 AGP cards I bought.. Sadly my Socket A system doesn't have a PCIe connection as I'd have tried with my 3850 AGP card I recently managed to finally get hold of... Hopefully these will do for the moment :)
 
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Hmmmm, AT boards... I remember hooking up the PSU wires the wrong way instantly frying a Socket 7 board. It was that day that ive learned that AT PSU cable's needed to have the black sides in the middle, and not the outside.
I had a lapse in remembering the black goes in the middle, and fried the last Super7 motherboard I owned. Moved to a Athlon XP build afterwards.
 
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Abit made the best NF7S mobo's by far I think I still have an Athlon XP 3200+ Barton core somewhere's around the house
 
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I tried out a physX based mod for Unreal Tournament 3 to see if it even works with the 9600GT I added to my GTX 280 and yes it does!

Screenshots don't really show whats going on, but I don't have a capture card for videos and recording 1440p on hardware from 2009 is not really possible.
The mod works with a few maps and was made within a few days as a quick and easy showcase for Nvidia.


On this map it adds hail as a weather effect with the hailstones as active particles, a few new weapon effects like sparks, objects that react to forces like boxes and containers that can be moved and thrown around by explosions, destruction of objects like the billboards and a few cover elements that can be blown apart. Oh and there is a climbing element in this level that you can now use as a trap for enemies by shooting the wooden planks you need to walk on or jump to.



The shock rifle now also has a gravity effect, pulling particles towards the beam or the ball from the secondary fire mode. Overall a really nice addition to the visual effects, fits perfectly with unreal.

When disabling hardware physX on this modded map, all of the processing moves to the CPU which kills the framerate. It drops to 8-20fps with the CPU at 100% constantly. While on the GPU side it only uses 5-10% of the 9600GT.

This is such a cool experience to play with. Back in the day I only heard about this mod but never managed to get it to work. I think I'm one of the few people who actually miss PhysX and extra cards used for parallel computing tasks. I know all of the good reasons why it did not take off, but I still wish there would have been a future where this technology persisted in a small enthusiast market.

I for one would love a full mGPU setup with quad-SLI + and additional PhysX card. Something about distributing workloads over multiple components is oddly fascinating to me. Especially when realized in a game application where specific parts of an engine are handled on seperate components.

If I were free to design PCs, I would start over completly. Due to cost effectiveness and standards we are immensly limiting progress. Yes my PC would probably cost 10x the amount they do today, but who cares :D
Why do we still need to design boards exactly the same way we did for 20 years. Why not do something bold and throw this all out the window, start over. Stop packing different things onto a single chip, start using ASICS for everything! No GPU, instead one card purely for texture mapping, one card for ray-tracing, one card for hardbody physics, on card for fluid dynamics, one card for final image composing and rendering! Stop putting VRAM onto the card, let the mainboard have a unfied, mirrorable DRAM cache attached to EACH expansion slot by an infinity fabric!

Anyway, physX is working fine. I have a blast with these demo levels! Gotta try and find more stuff like this.
 

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Thats a AT power connector, your supposed to put the black ones in the middle, and fiddle it in this:

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Should eventually look like this:

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Ancient stuff. Was good from 8086 era till 586 or so.
You utter star!! :D :D Have a cookie :D :D :laugh:

I've seen that and remember seeing it on so many various PSU's I've had over the time and never used the damn thing... I dunno..

Well that out of the way, I'm in the mood for more building retro kit.. I've my NF7-S and the Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA board I'd like to do something with... Ideas anyone??
 
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I'd like to do something with... Ideas anyone??
How about starting with that Abit NF7-S. Do you have CPU for it?
 

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I've 10 I think :laugh: Slight overkill perhaps but they are there :D I've been using it with a fresh install of WindowsXP but I seem to get very odd behaviour with it when loading up CPU-Z... I'll load some CPU-Z's up for a screen shot and it'll be fine, but then I'll try and load one, it just locks the system... Not sure what that is for the minute, I'll work on that...

Does remind me, I would love to track another boxed sample down... Bloody love the boards!! :D

I was thinking like a retro retro NF7-S build for gaming in XP, then maybe considering a dual boot in the 4CoreDual-SATA2 board.... Old old and old new type thing... Good or bad idea??
 
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Good or bad idea??
I don't see anything wrong with that arrangement. The 4CoreDual-SATA2 gets a dual boot of XP, and Vista? XP, and 98SE?
 

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I was thinking possibly a dual boot with the NF7-S, 98 and XP (both on SSD if I can manage it...) and then 4CoreDual-SATA2 (damn I need another way of saying that... lol) could have XP and 7....? I don't think I could let Vista touch any of my hardware at the moment lol :)
 
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I was thinking possibly a dual boot with the NF7-S, 98 and XP (both on SSD if I can manage it...) and then 4CoreDual-SATA2 (damn I need another way of saying that... lol) could have XP and 7....? I don't think I could let Vista touch any of my hardware at the moment lol :)
Vista is fine after SP1 or was it SP2. I installed it on the Core 2 Quad 9400 build swapped the graphics card for one with Vista drivers. Vista’s issues was early driver support when Microsoft changed the OS driver framework. My trouble was using a supported web browser because of Vista or HTTPS.
 
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Well, so much for good news... I received a phone call earlier today from the local TV-HiFi repair shop, letting me know that my Shamrock 15" CRT monitor cannot be repaired. When I asked them what is going on, they didn't know what to say. Unknown reasons, power is being pumped into the CRT, but it is not powering up.

After I showed up in person to pick it up, we agreed to try it one more time. This time however things could get serious & expensive, and could even involve 3rd parties, someone more skilled with CRTs. Again, I cannot say anything for sure (whatever it is, I'm sure that it's POSSIBLE to fix it up) it just comes down the question of money ... like always!

Edit
This is the monitor I'm having problems with ... Shamrock 15" Flicker-Free (pics are from the web)
 
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Vista is fine after SP1 or was it SP2. I installed it on the Core 2 Quad 9400 build swapped the graphics card for one with Vista drivers. Vista’s issues was early driver support when Microsoft changed the OS driver framework. My trouble was using a supported web browser because of Vista or HTTPS.
I must admit, I think Vista was one OS I gladly skipped.. I think I went from 95, to 98, then 98SE and then XP, then 7 and then sadly 10... But enough of that.. 98SE, XP SP3 and 7 are were it's at in my book...

Need to get some brains going and I might be able to get a few things up and running... I wonder how well PC Mark 2002 would run with an SSD up it's bum!! :D :laugh:

I think I might have issues....
 
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This is the monitor I'm having problems with ... Shamrock 15" Flicker-Free (pics are from the web)

If shipping cost wasn't so expensive I'd say you can have my MAG InnoVision 786PF2 it does a healthy 1024x768x32bpp @100Hz or if you want a little higher res and have very good eyes it'll do 1600x1200x32bpp @68Hz
 

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Need to get a new soldering iron for some magic :cool:

Tho I need also a 939 AGP board..
 
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If shipping cost wasn't so expensive I'd say you can have my MAG InnoVision 786PF2 it does a healthy 1024x768x32bpp @100Hz or if you want a little higher res and have very good eyes it'll do 1600x1200x32bpp @68Hz
Thank you very much for the offer, but nah. :)

People keep offering me great CRTs (quite decent ones actually, such as yours), Plextor CD-RW drives & other stuff, but most of them don't seem to realize. It's not about the CRT, or about the computer, computer case and/or CD-ROM drive. It's all about the memory & previous experience that matters with this one, regardless of how old or crappy these parts/components might seem to others ;)
 
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I must admit, I think Vista was one OS I gladly skipped.. I think I went from 95, to 98, then 98SE and then XP, then 7 and then sadly 10... But enough of that.. 98SE, XP SP3 and 7 are were it's at in my book...

WfW 3.11, 95 OSR2, 2000, XP, 7 then 10 for me. I would consider 98SE on the right build, but no ME, Vista or 8.x, I just skipped them. Got some unused 7 Pro licenses recently so I can set up some benching systems for hwbot GPU benching - should have bought more before eBay shut down the listing and chased the seller away. Hoping I can find my licenses for everything earlier, now I'm making space for building systems for every socket type.
 
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WfW 3.11, 95 OSR2, 2000, XP, 7 then 10 for me. I would consider 98SE on the right build, but no ME, Vista or 8.x, I just skipped them. Got some unused 7 Pro licenses recently so I can set up some benching systems for hwbot GPU benching - should have bought more before eBay shut down the listing and chased the seller away. Hoping I can find my licenses for everything earlier, now I'm making space for building systems for every socket type.

I think you'd be better served with 98SE rather than 95osr2
 
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I was thinking like a retro retro NF7-S build for gaming in XP, then maybe considering a dual boot in the 4CoreDual-SATA2 board.... Old old and old new type thing... Good or bad idea??
I always wanted an Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA for AGP video card benching. I have a fare collection of AGP cards & a few C2D & C2Q CPUs. You can get some great 3dMark2001 scores with something like a X6800 Extreme and an ATI 9600 Pro.
 
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Thats a AT power connector, your supposed to put the black ones in the middle, and fiddle it in this:

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Should eventually look like this:

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Ancient stuff. Was good from 8086 era till 586 or so.
Simple phrase that was always useful for old AT PSU cables: " Black next to Black is a friend to Jack, Red next to Yellow will kill a fellow! "

Even on 486 and socket 4?
Yes. While 98SE was more advanced and had more bulk to the installation, it was still very lean on CPU and RAM resources. You'll be good.
 
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I always wanted an Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA for AGP video card benching. I have a fare collection of AGP cards & a few C2D & C2Q CPUs. You can get some great 3dMark2001 scores with something like a X6800 Extreme and an ATI 9600 Pro.
I've a few AGP cards but not masses. I need to be a little careful what I'm buying since I need to move house and well, I think I'm going to need just another house for all the hardware I have, let alone the children, the Mrs's and me!! :laugh: :laugh:
 
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I must admit, I think Vista was one OS I gladly skipped.. I think I went from 95, to 98, then 98SE and then XP, then 7 and then sadly 10... But enough of that.. 98SE, XP SP3 and 7 are were it's at in my book..
I go all the way back to DOS, and have experienced every MS OS since then, and still own them all, but I finally landed on LTSB, it's about the closest to 7 you will find. I like 7 and a couple others, but seems from my personal experiences, LTSB is just very smooth and efficient, and I'm still getting the security updates. :D The best way to use these older OS's, is just use them to surf the web, no personal information on them, get them where you want them, and back them up with Acronis often, and you're good to go.
 
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