AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

[EarthDog]

Copying and pasting the same bogus posts on dozens of different forums.

haha... he is wow...

rumor: 6800xt samples already arrived, but the tech sites can't post anything

In other news, water is wet.

Being serious, that is how it always works. Reviewers get the cards early and have NDA's to sign, correct.

 

[adrians]

@W1zzard :

FWIW I think I found the reason for discrepancies in multiple review sites, which exist not only here but on other reviews as well. It's multi-faceted but it basically comes down to memory speeds. See #3 for the quick take.

#1 - Obvious one, if someone is using a 3080 or 3090 on the test bed. This doesn't really seem to be the main driver of what chip 'wins' but it does create bigger gaps between winners and losers.

#2 - Some sites are using much slower RAM on Intel platforms. Example AnandTech, who used DDR4-2933 on the 10900K but 3200 on AMD platforms. A more egreigious example is Cowcotland, who used DDR4-2666 on their 10600K and 2933 on the 10900K. This really only makes any sense if you are buying an OEM system, and if they are trying to 'simulate' an OEM buy they should probably be using all DDR4-2666 on all platforms. That would be irrelevant to 90% of the types of people who visit these sites though (as they don't buy OEM).

#3 - The big one. What I'm finding is that Zen 3 scales very well with higher speed RAM, and if it has high enough speed does indeed make a cleaner sweep in the benchmarks (even with a level playing field where Intel has the high speed RAM too). At sites like Guru3D where they used DDR4-3600 on both platforms, comparing to other reviews, it is apparent that Zen 3 *needs* fast RAM and will outperform Gen 10 in most tests if it has it. This is where you start to see the 5600X beat the 10700K and 10900K (@ stock clocks) in a lot of benchmarks even when both platforms are running DDR4-3600.

So, Zen 3 scales better with high speed RAM and 3600 seems to be the magic line.

Will be looking forward to the memory scaling article. Please do include something from Gen 10.

Edit: PCWorld also used DDR4-3600 on all platforms. In this case, Intel 10900K vs 5900X and 5950X in 5 games only won in one, Metro Exodus.

Ryzen 5000 Review: The best consumer CPU we've ever seen

AMD's historically good Ryzen 9 5900X and Ryzen 9 5950X desktop CPUs have trounced Intel's Core i9.

www.pcworld.com

Because Anand ran their Intel chips at DDR4-2933, and their Zen 3 at DDR4-3200.

TPU ran them both at DDR4-3200.

I don't think memory makes a difference here. See below results from test platform using the same 3200 memory for Intel & AMD. I think it's methodology in general as you'll see in various games results are pretty much flat with negligible difference between CPUs (see eg. TPU Tomb Raider where there's 1 FPS difference for 5900X vs 3900X; 10600K beats 10900K etc.). Maybe it's related to the test place itself as it has been proven that it makes a real difference in proper CPU place vs GPU place (also attached 2nd screenshot to prove that the test place where GPU is bottleneck doesn't show too much difference between CPUs & configs that in general makes a difference)

 

[Air]

Damn so much intel vs amd wars in this thread.

 

[EarthDog]

Damn so much intel vs amd wars in this thread.

This is the bed that was allowed to be made. It doesn't need to be like this.......

 

[RandallFlagg]

5600X still not cutting the mustard on Time Spy CPU, getting whacked by a 10700 non-K by 20.4%, against overclocked K's it's like 30-40% :

 

[HTC]

@W1zzard : how's the investigation going?

 

[RandallFlagg]

This is the bed that was allowed to be made. It doesn't need to be like this.......

This is the result of AMD engaging the enthusiast community for the past decade. It's marketing / communication / outreach. Intel never did that. It is paying big dividends to AMD as they lost mind share a long time ago.

Forget Zen 3 for a moment. How exactly is it that all these sites "recommended" AMD Zen 2 for gaming PCs for the past 12-18 months? At this point, Zen 2 is completely without legs in the higher end gaming arena. It never had much in that way to start with, but its shortcomings are really really clear when paired with 3XXX Nvidia cards.

Pretty much all these sites say what they need to say to get clicks. I miss the time (25 years ago) when the enthusiast sites were hobbyist sites, not advertising billboards.

 

[EarthDog]

How exactly is it that all these sites "recommended" AMD Zen 2 for gaming PCs for the past 12-18 months?

Because price to performance ratios mean something to people......regardless if the other team performs better in gaming.

That said, I was referring to the toxic environment that is TPU, not click bait news.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Because price to performance ratios mean something to people......regardless if the other team performs better in gaming.

That said, I was referring to the toxic environment that is TPU, not click bait news.

Because everyone says/thinks more cores/threads are better, but only if you use programs that use/need them. Amd might be cheaper for more threads but Imo Intel still win for a pure gaming rig with a modern 10xxx CPU and 3xxx or 6xxx series GPU.
There will always be Amd vs Intel wars/discussions as long as both brands exist, it will never stop.

 

[EarthDog]

Because everyone says/thinks more cores/threads are better, but only if you use programs that use/need them. Amd might be cheaper for more threads but Imo Intel still win for a pure gaming rig with a modern 10xxx CPU and 3xxx or 6xxx series GPU.

Indeed. Though they have caught up in gaming now it seems (?)...

There will always be Amd vs Intel wars/discussions as long as both brands exist, it will never stop.

Of course. There are (better) ways for people and forums to handle it, is the thing. The people here, don't.

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard : how's the investigation going?

Very good, hope to have an article for you today or tomrorow

 

[RandallFlagg]

Because price to performance ratios mean something to people......regardless if the other team performs better in gaming.

That said, I was referring to the toxic environment that is TPU, not click bait news.

Price / Performance *in games* has been and continues to be won (for any paying attention to results) by the 10400 / 10400F. Faster than 3600 / 3600X in games, and cheaper. It actually ties it up in the 1080p aggregate with a 3700X, even with the 10400 running gimp DDR4-2666. Run DDR4-3200 and you start trading blows with far more expensive processors.

 

[EarthDog]

Price / Performance *in games* has been and continues to be won (for any paying attention to results) by the 10400 / 10400F. Faster than 3600 / 3600X in games, and cheaper. It actually ties it up in the 1080p aggregate with a 3700X, even with the 10400 running gimp DDR4-2666. Run DDR4-3200 and you start trading blows with far more expensive processors.

5000 series big guy... this thread and what I said is about the 5000 series.

 

[RandallFlagg]

5000 series big guy... this thread and what I said is about the 5000 series.

Ya but I was questioning how Zen 2 was the recommended for gaming chip for the past 12-18 months. It's not Zen 3 that made me question the veracity of many of these sites, it was watching "best cpu for gaming" lists that would have like top 5 or 6 CPUs in benchmarks be Intel and then conclude "AMD best for games". That's a result of AMD catering to the enthusiast community so much the past 10 years, along with monetization of these sites, has nothing to do with results.

Maybe something unrelated to AMD vs Intel to illustrate. Memory reviews. So I find, dual-rank DIMMs seem to greatly outperform single rank DIMMs. But single rank DIMMs are generally more dense, cheaper to make, and can clock higher - so without any knowledge of dual rank vs single rank they look better on paper. Try to find anyone in the past 2 years who even mentions dual rank dimms? Or compares single rank to dual rank?

So now what we got - put 4x single rank DIMMs to get a performance increase? But 4 years ago, we knew that you could put in 2x dual rank.

Consider this chart.

What you are looking at is some relatively cheap dual rank DDR4-3000 from a 2nd tier manufacturer who doesn't advertise much, whip some very expensive single rank DDR4-4600 in a game, to the tune of 25% fps difference. This is today somehow a new discovery :

 

[EarthDog]

You're preaching to the choir. I didn't post the news about 4 sticks performing better, lol....

 

[N3M3515]

Very interesting video, Intel processors also benefit from 4 sticks and dual rank ram, not just AMD.
Ryzen 5000 DDR4 Memory Performance, XMP vs Manual Timings, Single vs Dual Rank

 

[Amite]

Pre Ordered at B&H opening day - just got a Email said it would be Jan. to March time frame.

 

[Spanners]

Hmm... they are in stock here in NZ. Pretty wide timeframe.

 

[Mike2Fr]

Probably because NZ is a country with reasonable and kind people and you have way less scalpers than in many countries...."it is not because you could that you should." I've read many testimony on this forum and elsewhere that if they could make some profit by scalping, they would definitely do it. We are the problem and the solution....

 

[Spanners]

Probably because NZ is a country with reasonable and kind people and you have way less scalpers than in many countries...."it is not because you could that you should." I've read many testimony on this forum and elsewhere that if they could make some profit by scalping, they would definitely do it. We are the problem and the solution....

I wouldn't go that far! We have the usual share of scalpers and the like. Most of the retailers I see have a one per customer limit though. We are out of stock of the 12 and 16 core models in most places.

 

[Mike2Fr]

I wouldn't go that far! We have the usual share of scalpers and the like. Most of the retailers I see have a one per customer limit though. We are out of stock of the 12 and 16 core models in most places.

Most retailers in the US were out of stock in 2 min. Every single 5000 series. Microcenter had some 5600x and 5800x available for in store traffic until early afternoon.

 

[cueman]

well, 7nm zen3,amd brand new vermeer, new 5000 series cpu doing good job for gaming,better than 7nm zen2,
but intel answer for that is incoming with rocket lake-s cpu,incoming march/2021.
im sure rocket lake is fast,and just target is gaming.

but,still, 10900 is top gaming cpu...and looks little cheaper...lol,and will be alot cheaper soon.

but, real,final battle is coming june/2021, wen intel Adler lake-s is here,its 10nm tech and hydrib cpu...

...and what i read and heard internet and sources, amd is bad trouble,..new age start cpu performace and efficiency..and zen4 and 5nm tech might not help...


but almost same time when zen4 coming,coming intel meteor lake-s, 7nm hydrib cpu step out..
and thouse categories, i mean between 5nm to 7nm process tech,different is much smaller than now, amd 7nm, intel 14nm process tech.

so,shortly, 2021 show quite clear where cpu battle goes and i say, stay too,bcoz if intel loose with its adler lake and meteor lake cpus for amd zen cpus(3.4), its final loose..
intel know it,so dont except anything slow thouse 2 cpus. i dont.

well, must say this.

zen1 to2 and zen 2 to 3, performance differents go all of time smaller...example zen2 was much faster than zen1, but zen3 performance upgrade from ze2, much smaller.....
so amd trust again that 7nm to 5nm process tech help it....hmm

well,we see Q2/2021,we see it

amd 7nm zen3 vs intel 14nm rocket lake = winner? march/2021
amd 7nm zen3 vs intel 10nm hydrib adler lake = winner june/2021
amd 5nm zen4 vs intel 7nm hydrib meteor lake = winner? 2022/2023

lets see....

 

[Shatun_Bear]

GamersNexus just uploaded an interesting video of a heavily tuned 5600X vs 10600K (both with tuned memory and overclocked) and the 5600X still trounces the Intel in gaming:

Most retailers in the US were out of stock in 2 min. Every single 5000 series. Microcenter had some 5600x and 5800x available for in store traffic until early afternoon.

SCAN (a large UK component retailer) said Ryzen 5000 saw the fastest CPU sales they have ever seen. Yeh, made me do a double take as well but the fervour for these is real:

AMD Ryzen 5000 smashes processor sales records

Lots of people buying them, apparently

www.techradar.com

 

[mkppo]

That's a slam dunk victory right there

 

[N3M3515]

SCAN (a large UK component retailer) said Ryzen 5000 saw the fastest CPU sales they have ever seen. Yeh, made me do a double take as well but the fervour for these is real:

Didn't see any news like those about rtx 3080, so their "ultra high demand" wasn't real after all. Just poor availability.