NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Fire Strike and Time Spy Scores Surface

[btarunr]

3DMark scores of the upcoming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti were leaked to the web by VideoCardz. The RTX 3060 Ti was put through standard 3DMark Fire Strike and Time Spy benchmark runs. In the DirectX 11-based Fire Strike benchmark, the card allegedly scores 30706 points, with 146.05 FPS in GT1 and 122 FPS in GT2. With the newer DirectX 12-based Time Spy test, it allegedly scores 12175 points, with 80.82 FPS in GT1, and 68.71 FPS in GT2. There are no system specs on display, but the scores put the RTX 3060 Ti slightly ahead of the previous-generation high-end GeForce RTX 2080 Super.

The GeForce RTX 3060 Ti, bound for a December 2 launch, is an upcoming performance-segment graphics card based on the "Ampere" architecture, and is carved out of the same 8 nm "GA104" silicon as the RTX 3070. It reportedly packs 4,864 "Ampere" CUDA cores, 38 second-gen RT cores, 152 third-gen Tensor cores, and the same memory configuration as the RTX 3070—8 GB of 14 Gbps GDDR6 across a 256-bit wide bus. NVIDIA is targeting a "<$399" price-point, making the card at least 43% cheaper than the RTX 2080 Super.



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[RandAlThor]

"<$399" price-point, making the card at least 43% cheaper than the RTX 2080 Super.

And this is a surprise? Of course it is cheaper - it is a xx60 not an xx80. Of course it is faster than last years card - it is called progress. No-one tells if it has 2080 FPS with or without DLSS, so i'm gonna take a guess and say it is with that turned on. The card should be cheaper, this is xx60 series!

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Yes, that a mainstream card has now become $400 is beyond ridiculous. As if it will be $400 anyway.... more like $500-550... There is nothing "budget" about this series anymore.

 

[RandAlThor]

Indeed, the 3070 is being sold here in the EU for about $800. And no it is not the tax. The 20% tax for a $500 card is $100 not $300.

 

[looniam]

And this is a surprise? Of course it is cheaper - it is a xx60 not an xx80. Of course it is faster than last years card - it is called progress. No-one tells if it has 2080 FPS with or without DLSS, so i'm gonna take a guess and say it is with that turned on. The card should be cheaper, this is xx60 series!

your guess would be wrong as FS nor TS dosen't have DLSS

Yes, that a mainstream card has now become $400 is beyond ridiculous. As if it will be $400 anyway.... more like $500-550... There is nothing "budget" about this series anymore.

is an upcoming performance-segment graphics card based on the "Ampere" architecture

i don't see budget mentioned.

 

[KaitouX]

And this is a surprise? Of course it is cheaper - it is a xx60 not an xx80. Of course it is faster than last years card - it is called progress. No-one tells if it has 2080 FPS with or without DLSS, so i'm gonna take a guess and say it is with that turned on. The card should be cheaper, this is xx60 series!

DLSS performance is basically the same between RTX 2000 and 3000 when looking at the same performance level, at least in current games the 3070 and 2080Ti perform similarly regardless of DLSS being on or off and I expect the same to be true for others, also Firestrike and Timespy don't support it as far as I know.

Indeed, the 3070 is being sold here in the EU for about $800. And no it is not the tax. The 20% tax for a $500 card is $100 not $300.

The best option if looking for one is to try to get the FE if available where you live, not long ago the 3070 FE got restocked in Germany and sold for the MSRP of 500€, but other models like the TUF OC that should cost 550€ are being sold for ~650€ by retailers. Maybe Nvidia have an agreement with the retailer to enforce the MSRP?

 

[RandAlThor]

i don't see budget mentioned.

xx50/60 was always priced 150-300 eur until 2000 series and was thought of as budget. Most web sites like wfctech, etc. are saying that the 3060 is the new "budget king". So no maybe nvidia is not saying that the card is for budget users but they sure hope that they will sell as much cards for that inflated price.

 

[vctr]

And this is a surprise? Of course it is cheaper - it is a xx60 not an xx80. Of course it is faster than last years card - it is called progress. No-one tells if it has 2080 FPS with or without DLSS, so i'm gonna take a guess and say it is with that turned on. The card should be cheaper, this is xx60 series!

None of the benchmarks tested have DLSS

 

[looniam]

xx50/60 was always priced 150-300 eur until 2000 series and was thought of as budget. Most web sites like wfctech, etc. are saying that the 3060 is the new "budget king". So no maybe nvidia is not saying that the card is for budget users but they sure hope that they will sell as much cards for that inflated price.

first thing is it isn't relevant what other web sites are saying; well thats wfctech for ya! the post here called it performance-segment not budget.

you are making a mistake with thinking the arbitrary nomenclature nvidia uses is etched in stone or something. it doesn't matter what the card is named; what matters is the chip (ie. x02, x04, x06). and bitching about nvidia's shell game is almost a decade too late - refer to since kepler or you can quickly look at the 2060/2060S chips and start seeing it. (but yeah 2060 was a complete pile of garbage for any price).

you are preaching to the choir but have the wrong sermon.

 

[ExcuseMeWtf]

Cheaper by MSRP sure, availability issues may change actual street price though as we know.

 

[Luminescent]

In Europe cheapest 3070 is around 860$, i wonder how much this 3060 ti would end up.
Some tech youtubers say the masses will have access to these newer cards much much later, months into 2021.

 

[bug]

And this is a surprise? Of course it is cheaper - it is a xx60 not an xx80. Of course it is faster than last years card - it is called progress. No-one tells if it has 2080 FPS with or without DLSS, so i'm gonna take a guess and say it is with that turned on. The card should be cheaper, this is xx60 series!

Yes, it is somewhat a surprise. If this was 105 faster than 2060 Super it would have been faster. If it was as fast as 2070 Super it would have been faster. But it is as fast as a 2080 Super instead.
But some people feel more entitled than others.

 

[RandAlThor]

It is x% faster for x% more money. Not for the same amount. Which means it is not the same segment than its predecessor, meanwhile there are no cards from that price bracket to directly compare the miraculous speed bump.
All that they have done is introduce new models to go in between the existing ones in the mid-high price segment.

 

[bug]

It is x% faster for x% more money. Not for the same amount.

2060 Super was $400, 3060 Ti is also $400. It's slightly cheaper, because of inflation.

Please at least try to be coherent if you want to take this further.

 

[docnorth]

I guess we can compare those scores with the other Ampere GPUs. 3070 is 11% and 13% faster respectively. If 3060ti shows that level of real life performance, it could become an absolute bestseller like 1060 despite being pricier (assuming the price will not rise to 500 eur/usd).

 

[zilul]

I guess we can compare those scores with the other Ampere GPUs. 3070 is 11% and 13% faster respectively. If 3060ti shows that level of real life performance, it could become an absolute bestseller like 1060 despite being pricier (assuming the price will not rise to 500 eur/usd).

It will be pricier obviously! 500 - 600 € most probably, just like the 3070's are being listed at 750-800 €.

definitively not the best time to buy a new GPU.

 

[RandAlThor]

2060 Super was $400, 3060 Ti is also $400. It's slightly cheaper, because of inflation.

Please at least try to be coherent if you want to take this further.

And of course you compare the prices of the two generations that have outrageous pricing - Turing and Ampere.
960 wasnt $400 it was $200, 1060 wasn't $400 was $250.

And seeing how the $499 3070 is about $800 if you can get it in europe, i doubt you will be able to get a 3060 for $400. I got my 960 for $200 from the store.

A whole system PS5 or new Xbox is being sold for $500 and has a low-mid to mid range gpu inside. Admittedly it is being sold at cost, but this just outlines how badly they are fcking the custom PC market with these prices.

 

[Testsubject01]

Street prices and consoles aside, both are entirely different beasts. As previously stated in the 3070 thread, prices are rising past just the inflation rate in recent generations.

2010 - GTX 460: $199
2010 - GTX 465: $279
2011 - GTX 560: $199
2011 - GTX 560Ti: $289
2012 - GTX 660: $230
2012 - GTX 660 Ti: $300
2013 - GTX 760: $249
2013 - GTX 760 Ti: OEM-Release
2015 - GTX 960: $199
2016 - GTX 1060 3GB: $199
2016 - GTX 1060 6GB: $299
2019 - RTX 2060: $349
2019 - RTX 2060 S: $399
TBA (2020) - RTX 3060: TBA ($349)
TBA (2020) - RTX 3060 Ti: TBA ($399)


Further, NVIDIA is not really jumping on cutting edge nodes either. They have gone with rather established fabrication processes more or less.
I also don't think that R&D is massively breaking the bank either, but I don't have a source at hand to show that.

Sure! It is a business, it has to generate profits for shareholders. However one can't deny, that the money from 2010 adjusted for inflation ($279 ~> $330) is not buying you the equivalent tier hardware in 2020.

I'm curious how the 3060 Ti slots in with real game benchmarks and what 2021-2022 will bring to the midrange, now that AMD and NVIDIA are head to head on the full line up again.

 

[bug]

Street prices and consoles aside, both are entirely different beasts. As previously stated in the 3070 thread, prices are rising past just the inflation rate in recent generations.

2010 - GTX 460: $199
2010 - GTX 465: $279
2011 - GTX 560: $199
2011 - GTX 560Ti: $289
2012 - GTX 660: $230
2012 - GTX 660 Ti: $300
2013 - GTX 760: $249
2013 - GTX 760 Ti: OEM-Release
2015 - GTX 960: $199
2016 - GTX 1060 3GB: $199
2016 - GTX 1060 6GB: $299
2019 - RTX 2060: $349
2019 - RTX 2060 S: $399
TBA (2020) - RTX 3060: TBA ($349)
TBA (2020) - RTX 3060 Ti: TBA ($399)


Further, NVIDIA is not really jumping on cutting edge nodes either. They have gone with rather established fabrication processes more or less.
I also don't think that R&D is massively breaking the bank either, but I don't have a source at hand to show that.

Sure! It is a buisness, it has to generate profits for shareholders. However one can't deny, that the money from 2010 addjusted for inflation ($279 ~> $330) is not buying you the equivalent tier hardware in 2020.

I'm curious how the 3060 Ti slots in with real game benchmarks and what 2021-2022 will bring to the midrange, now that AMD and NVIDIA both are head to head again on the full line up.

Sure, if you just follow numbers... But the real replacement for 1060 is 1660.

 

[Testsubject01]

Well, one has to choose a metric to make a comparison. I would argue, that the x60 SKU was split into RTX and GTX because it was right at the border at which RTRT could still be reasonably supported.

 

[bug]

Well, one has to choose a metric to make a comparison. I would argue, that the x60 SKU was split into RTX and GTX because it was right at the border at which RTRT could still be reasonably supported.

Ok, but if you choose the metric on your own, that makes the whole classification subjective. And you present it as proof of price gouging.
The x60 split had nothing to do with RT capability, that was dome because 2080 was so fast, it left a gap behind it that fit one more SKU that usual. Of course, Nvidia dropped the ball hard (like, really hard) with their naming scheme that included two x60 parts If they renamed their cards like 2060->2070, 2070->2080 and 2080->2090, they would have spared everybody a lot of grief.

 

[Eric3988]

Street prices and consoles aside, both are entirely different beasts. As previously stated in the 3070 thread, prices are rising past just the inflation rate in recent generations.

2010 - GTX 460: $199
2010 - GTX 465: $279
2011 - GTX 560: $199
2011 - GTX 560Ti: $289
2012 - GTX 660: $230
2012 - GTX 660 Ti: $300
2013 - GTX 760: $249
2013 - GTX 760 Ti: OEM-Release
2015 - GTX 960: $199
2016 - GTX 1060 3GB: $199
2016 - GTX 1060 6GB: $299
2019 - RTX 2060: $349
2019 - RTX 2060 S: $399
TBA (2020) - RTX 3060: TBA ($349)
TBA (2020) - RTX 3060 Ti: TBA ($399)


Further, NVIDIA is not really jumping on cutting edge nodes either. They have gone with rather established fabrication processes more or less.
I also don't think that R&D is massively breaking the bank either, but I don't have a source at hand to show that.

Sure! It is a business, it has to generate profits for shareholders. However one can't deny, that the money from 2010 adjusted for inflation ($279 ~> $330) is not buying you the equivalent tier hardware in 2020.

I'm curious how the 3060 Ti slots in with real game benchmarks and what 2021-2022 will bring to the midrange, now that AMD and NVIDIA are head to head on the full line up again.

This guy gets it. It's kinda sad that the value card of this generation will be starting out around $400. That's even assuming you can find one at or near MSRP, which trends suggest won't be possible until sometime next year. I know this card is a TI, but still, that price will keep mainstream users out of Ampere for a long time. This generation has really been a paper launch and very disappointing from a consumer standpoint.

 

[Testsubject01]

Ok, but if you choose the metric on your own, that makes the whole classification subjective. And you present it as proof of price gouging.

I took what was more or less there. Thought about comparing chips in the same class of each architecture, but that is a mess in itself.
Coming up with performance tiers would also be kinda subjective, as would just setting price tiers and compare performance over generations.

SKU was the quickest choice which was also defined by NVIDIA, since the naming scheme should function as a way of orientation for customers.
I do agree, that it is not perfect either!

Why they did not go with a new SKU x90 or simply repeated the previous system of: Titan > x80 Ti > x80 > x70 Ti > x70 >... only NVIDIA knows.

Going out on a limb here, I remember the Steve's (Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed) reaching out to NVIDIA on release for a statement on the 16xx SKU and only receiving vague PR speech about differentiation of RTX support or the lack thereof.

Sorry for going so far off-topic regarding the thread.

 

[docnorth]

It will be pricier obviously! 500 - 600 € most probably, just like the 3070's are being listed at 750-800 €.

definitively not the best time to buy a new GPU.

With 3070 the situation is getting better, big retailers are selling the Asus dual 3070 for 609 €, that's a regular price not black Friday offer. 3080 is still worse, starting from 899 €.

 

[vctr]

Street prices and consoles aside, both are entirely different beasts. As previously stated in the 3070 thread, prices are rising past just the inflation rate in recent generations.

2010 - GTX 460: $199
2010 - GTX 465: $279
2011 - GTX 560: $199
2011 - GTX 560Ti: $289
2012 - GTX 660: $230
2012 - GTX 660 Ti: $300
2013 - GTX 760: $249
2013 - GTX 760 Ti: OEM-Release
2015 - GTX 960: $199
2016 - GTX 1060 3GB: $199
2016 - GTX 1060 6GB: $299
2019 - RTX 2060: $349
2019 - RTX 2060 S: $399
TBA (2020) - RTX 3060: TBA ($349)
TBA (2020) - RTX 3060 Ti: TBA ($399)


Further, NVIDIA is not really jumping on cutting edge nodes either. They have gone with rather established fabrication processes more or less.
I also don't think that R&D is massively breaking the bank either, but I don't have a source at hand to show that.

Sure! It is a business, it has to generate profits for shareholders. However one can't deny, that the money from 2010 adjusted for inflation ($279 ~> $330) is not buying you the equivalent tier hardware in 2020.

I'm curious how the 3060 Ti slots in with real game benchmarks and what 2021-2022 will bring to the midrange, now that AMD and NVIDIA are head to head on the full line up again.

3060 should be 299, at 349 it makes no sense to buy it(at that point just buy an MSRP 3060ti for better perf, 30SM vs 38SM, so 3060ti should be much better)