confussed on what kind of boot drive can i get

[SenditMakine]

You're reading that wrong.
As I already mentioned, the primary slot is NVMe, the M2_2 slot is SATA

man, i caught this information on the user's manual of his mobo, it clearly says that the M2_2 supports only PCIe 2.0 and M2_1 supports both PCIe and SATA

here is the link if you want to check it

https://download.msi.com/archive/mnu_exe/mb/E7B89v1.1.pdf

If it’s sata m2, then it’s just clutterless installation. If it’s nvme, then speed difference is huge.

yep, with that i agree, Sata m2 is just not worth it, regular Sata SSDs do the same job as good as the m.2 and it only takes a sata port instead of a m.2

 

[INSTG8R]

Yeah WD Blue SN550 and WD Black SN750 are solid options.

I have a 500GB 970 Evo Plus for boot but grabbed that WD Black in 1TB for my other slot for important games, very happy with it.

 

[nguyen]

I have a 500GB 970 Evo Plus for boot but grabbed that WD Black in 1TB for my other slot for important games, very happy with it.

Seems like there is no wrong option when it comes to WD SSD.
The SN550, SN750 and SN850 all dominate their respective market on price/GB and performance.
I have the SN550 1TB in my backup build and a SN730 1TB that comes with my laptop, solid performance. Gonna get some SN850 for my new build.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Only real bad thing about samsung m.2 verses 2.5" counter part is heat
M.2 run 10c hotter doing nothing lol and that's with a darn good third party heatsink too on a dimm slot on apex
So yeah I do not recommend samsung m.2's mine has win-10 on it atm and I'm not even booted into it I'm on the 850 pro and 850 evo is a data ssd
Amazon.com: Advancing Gene M.2 NVMe Cooler Heatsink with 20mm PWM Fan (3rd Gen): Electronics

 

[TheLostSwede]

Seems like there is no wrong option when it comes to WD SSD.
The SN550, SN750 and SN850 all dominate their respective market on price/GB and performance.
I have the SN550 1TB in my backup build and a SN730 1TB that comes with my laptop, solid performance. Gonna get some SN850 for my new build.

The SN850 is meant to be extremely good when it comes to random performance, for a NAND based flash drive.

Hi,
Only real bad thing about samsung m.2 verses 2.5" counter part is heat
M.2 run 10c hotter doing nothing lol and that's with a darn good third party heatsink too on a dimm slot on apex
So yeah I do not recommend samsung m.2's mine has win-10 on it atm and I'm not even booted into it I'm on the 850 pro and 850 evo is a data ssd
Amazon.com: Advancing Gene M.2 NVMe Cooler Heatsink with 20mm PWM Fan (3rd Gen): Electronics

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You're aware that these drives are rated at much higher temps than 2.5" drive as well, right? You're worrying about things that are none issues.
Personally I would not go back from NVMe M.2 to SATA 2.5" drives, but I guess each to their own.
You clearly also haven't seen the difference when it comes to random read/write performance, where NVMe drives are often twice as fast, if not faster, than SATA based SSDs.

 

[ThrashZone]

The SN850 is meant to be extremely good when it comes to random performance, for a NAND based flash drive.


You're aware that these drives are rated at much higher temps than 2.5" drive as well, right? You're worrying about things that are none issues.

Hi,
Yes there is a throttling temp also
But I'm showing what temp it's at doing nothing and only reason temp 1 & 2 are so close together is because of how good third party heatsink is
Otherwise that temperature spread would be another 10c higher difference.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Don't believe m.2's in general are worth it

When upgrading from an existing SATA SSD, I agree. But if building new and don't already have a SSD, or when upgrading from a hard drive, then they absolutely are worth it - assuming proper homework and price shopping.

 

[nguyen]

Hi,
Only real bad thing about samsung m.2 verses 2.5" counter part is heat
M.2 run 10c hotter doing nothing lol and that's with a darn good third party heatsink too on a dimm slot on apex
So yeah I do not recommend samsung m.2's mine has win-10 on it atm and I'm not even booted into it I'm on the 850 pro and 850 evo is a data ssd
Amazon.com: Advancing Gene M.2 NVMe Cooler Heatsink with 20mm PWM Fan (3rd Gen): Electronics

Common misconception, while the RAM and the Controller chip on an M.2 like low temperature, NAND chip actually prefer high temp the extend its lifespan (cell self-healing). Low temperature only help data retention when the M.2 is powered down.

Most manufacturers put a thin piece of copper that transfer the heat from the controller to the NAND flash memory, aiding the self-recovery of the cells. So putting an oversized heatsink on top of the M.2 drive help with the temp throttling of the controller while shorten the lifespan of the NAND cell.

If you are not constantly writing TBs of data, just leave the M.2 as is....

 

[SenditMakine]

NAND chip actually prefer high temp the extend its lifespan (cell self-healing)

wow, that i didn't know, source?

 

[TheLostSwede]

wow, that i didn't know, source?

The Truth About SSD Data Retention

www.anandtech.com

 

[nguyen]

wow, that i didn't know, source?

From GamersNexus

So yeah, only sink the controller

 

[SenditMakine]

Thanks!

The Truth About SSD Data Retention

www.anandtech.com

Man, that's awesome, i'd never know about that, do you know if this works only on m.2 drives? or is it on all SSDs?

 

[TheLostSwede]

Thanks!


Man, that's awesome, i'd never know about that, do you know if this works only on m.2 drives? or is it on all SSDs?

It's related to NAND flash, so any kind of flash memory based on NAND.
It has nothing to do with the type of device that the NAND flash is inside or whatever the controller is.

 

[Bill_Bright]

And do note the first sentence in the last paragraph of that Anandtech article,

All in all, there is absolutely zero reason to worry about SSD data retention in typical client environment.

And that article was written 5 years ago. The technology has gotten even better since then.

 

[SenditMakine]

And do note the first sentence in the last paragraph of that Anandtech article, And that article was written 5 years ago. The technology has gotten even better since then.

and yet your signature says

Heat is the bane of all electronics!

Ironic huh?

 

[Bill_Bright]

Ironic huh?

Perhaps. But it is all relative as it depends on how much heat, and the source of the heat. In the case of the SSDs in this discussion, it is the ambient (room or environment) heat that is the variable factor. In other cases, it is the heat generated from within the device due to normal inefficiencies, electrons banging around, and/or excessive current.

And in other cases, it is just the tolerance capabilities of the electronics device - keeping in mine that tolerance typically and naturally decreases as the device ages. So ultimately, barring hitting it with a hammer, even if the device survives 10, 15 years or even longer, it is usually heat, in some way or another, that takes it out.

 

[AleXXX666]

Hi,
Only a benchmark like performance test 9-10 would care
Or as already said moving large files around otherwise majority of benchmarks and normal task could care a less if it were a good 2.5" or m.2 ssd only difference is cost per gb.

Being mad about getting a QVO doesn't mean 860 pro or 860 evo are the same they are good value ssd that perform well.

860 pro is good. 860 evo is just same middle range ssd.

 

[Caring1]

Both will work on your mobo, but from the manual that I found online your second M.2 slot does not support SATA m.2, only NVMe.
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man, i caught this information on the user's manual of his mobo, it clearly says that the M2_2 supports only PCIe 2.0 and M2_1 supports both PCIe and SATA

See where YOU read it wrong now?

 

[SenditMakine]

See where YOU read it wrong now?

Those are the exact same quotations...

 

[ThrashZone]

860 pro is good. 860 evo is just same middle range ssd.

Hi,
Only difference is pro is pretty much equal read/ wright compared to evo which read is higher than write
Most operations are read I use these for data ssd's but still a lot better than qvo's

 

[xrobwx71]

The OP had another thread where he was having issues with his QLC drive, hence why he wants something he won't be having issues with.

Where is the indicator that the OP had another thread? It would help had he/she included it. I'm on multiple boards and realistically don't have time to drill down 10 links, on every OP, on every thread just to figure out exactly what's in the OPS mind so as to give the best and most accurate advice.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Where is the indicator that the OP had another thread? It would help had he/she included it. I'm on multiple boards and realistically don't have time to drill down 10 links, on every OP, on every thread just to figure out exactly what's in the OPS mind so as to give the best and most accurate advice.

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