MSI GF65 Throttle and Thermal

[AOne]

There's no guarantee it won't happen to any other you chose, as all these CPUs run very hot, but most of them would have locked FIVR settings in regard to Plundervolt fix. It's up to you For this price I would keep it.

 

[Pizzadeliver]

Btw I think I'll just give it back and wait something good priced with ryzen 4000 series

 

[nguyen]

Btw I think I'll just give it back and wait something good priced with ryzen 4000 series

Yeah except that Ryzen 4000 runs just as hot, or hotter.

CPU temp that peak into the 90C is totally alright, no need to fret, they are designed to run like that. You can lower the CPU temp by 10C by repasting with high quality TIM.

If the fan noise and warm keyboard area bother you, I suggest undervolting the GPU with Afterburner. Undervolting the GPU can lower CPU temperature too as both the CPU and GPU share the same heatsinks

 

[Pizzadeliver]

Yeah except that Ryzen 4000 runs just as hot, or hotter.

CPU temp that peak into the 90C is totally alright, no need to fret, they are designed to run like that. You can lower the CPU temp by 10C by repasting with high quality TIM.

If the fan noise and warm keyboard area bother you, I suggest undervolting the GPU with Afterburner. Undervolting the GPU can lower CPU temperature too as both the CPU and GPU share the same heatsinks

A lot of people told me Ryzen 4000 series with 7nm heats a lot less... The problem Is that I hot thermal throttling even with heavy undervolt with this laptop (and Thermal throttling mean hitting 95°... I don't want to undervolt even the GPU, even because It's not Easy to work with the curve in afterburner.

 

[nguyen]

A lot of people told me Ryzen 4000 series with 7nm heats a lot less... The problem Is that I hot thermal throttling even with heavy undervolt with this laptop (and Thermal throttling mean hitting 95°... I don't want to undervolt even the GPU, even because It's not Easy to work with the curve in afterburner.

Yeah there is a quick way to undervolt with the curve

First dial in an overclock like +120mhz on Core and +300mhz on Memory, go to the curve
Hold Shift + left click and drag from 650mV to the end
Hold Shift + left click on the 650mV point on the curve
Hold Shift + Enter twice
Every point after the highlighted point will become a straight line. Apply and save your profile.
Undervolt the GPU to 650mV will make your laptop much cooler + lower fan noise.

 

[Pizzadeliver]

Yeah there is a quick way to undervolt with the curve

First dial in an overclock like +120mhz on Core and +300mhz on Memory, go to the curve
Hold Shift + left click and drag from 650mV to the end
Hold Shift + left click on the 650mV point on the curve
Hold Shift + Enter twice
Every point after the highlighted point will become a straight line. Apply and save your profile.
Undervolt the GPU to 650mV will make your laptop much cooler + lower fan noise.

I do not have 650 on the curve, It starts from 700

 

[nguyen]

I do not have 650 on the curve, It starts from 700

Oh then start with 700mV then, I modified the curve to start with 650mV in the MSIAfterBurner.cfg

 

[Pizzadeliver]

Dunno man, are you sure the line should be all straight?

Oh then start with 700mV then, I modified the curve to start with 650mV in the MSIAfterBurner.cfg

Do you have an RTX 2060? If so can you share your cfg?

 

[nguyen]

Dunno man, are you sure the line should be all straight?

Do you have an RTX 2060? If so can you share your cfg?

Go to your MSIAfterburner installation folder, looks for MSIAfterburner.cfg, open with notepad
Look for "VFCurveEditorMinVoltage", edit the entry to 650 or 600
Save to a different location, then close Afterburner, delete the orginial .cfg and copy the modified .cfg back

Yeah the method I told you will make the line go straight

Just don't close the Curve before apply and save your overclocking profile in Afterburner.

Edit: my .cfg would probably screw with your configuration so just edit your .cfg, safer that way

 

[Pizzadeliver]

Go to your MSIAfterburner installation folder, looks for MSIAfterburner.cfg, open with notepad
Look for "VFCurveEditorMinVoltage", edit the entry to 650 or 600
Save to a different location, then close Afterburner, delete the orginial .cfg and copy the modified .cfg back

Yeah the method I told you will make the line go straight
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Just don't close the Curve before apply and save your overclocking profile in Afterburner.

Edit: my .cfg would probably screw with your configuration so just edit your .cfg, safer that way

I've got another difference, my 650 point is not at 1300Mhz like yours, it's at 1100

 

[nguyen]

I've got another difference, my 650 point is not at 1300Mhz like yours, it's at 1100

You have to dial the core overclock first at the main screen, +120mhz core clock and +300mhz on memory.
If you had already done that then your GPU have different freq/voltage than mine, since I have the 2070 Super Max-Q.

If you want more performance, reset everything and set the undervolt to 700mV or 750mV and save them to seperate profile, you can activate those profiles in game to check the performance.

Set the hotkey to activate overclocking profile in Afterburner to activate them ingame

 

[Pizzadeliver]

You have to dial the core overclock first at the main screen, +120mhz core clock and +300mhz on memory.
If you had already done that then your GPU have different freq/voltage than mine, since I have the 2070 Super Max-Q.
Anyways an undervolt to 650mV will always lower your GPU power consumption, make you laptop operate much cooler.

Just a question, I'm running Unigine bench 1920x1080, AA8x, everything Active, my GPU Is running at 64° max without undervolt... Are we really sure the GPU Is impacting the CPU and not the reverse? Laptop Is Cool right now on the keyboard

 

[nguyen]

Just a question, I'm running Unigine bench 1920x1080, AA8x, everything Active, my GPU Is running at 63° max without undervolt... Are we really sure the GPU Is impacting the CPU and not the reverse?

Unigine is a very light load program, try Superposition and you will see your GPU getting hotter.
My 2070 Super Max-Q is also very cool under load, max 74C before undervolting, however it is dumping 80W of heat into the cooling solution which combine with 45W from the CPU is probably a little too much for the fans, undervolting the GPU lower the consumption to 60-70W allow the fans to operate at lower speed and the keyboard area are much cooler.

 

[Pizzadeliver]

Unigine is a very light load program, try Superposition and you will see your GPU getting hotter.
My 2070 Super Max-Q is also very cool under load, max 74C before undervolting, however it is dumping 80W of heat into the cooling solution which combine with 45W from the CPU is probably a little too much for the fans, undervolting the GPU lower the consumption to 60-70W allow the fans to operate at lower speed and the keyboard area are much cooler.

I lost quite a bit of performance with your settings

 

[nguyen]

I lost quite a bit of performance with your settings

Maybe set the undervolt to 700mV ?
Also try actual games, Unigine is quite useless reallly.

BTW your minimum framerate barely changes, 30.9 --> 30.8 so gaming experience will not be so different, but you will notice very big different to fan noise

 

[Pizzadeliver]

Maybe set the undervolt to 700mV ?
Also try actual games, Unigine is quite useless reallly.

BTW your minimum framerate barely changes, 30.9 --> 30.8 so gaming experience will not be so different, but you will notice very big different to fan noise

I was looking at the big FPS value on the score... This is 700mv

 

[nguyen]

I was looking at the big FPS value on the score... This is 700mv

Try out the Witcher 3, yes you will lose something like ~10% FPS but the drop in power consumption will make everything cooler.

 

[Pizzadeliver]

Try out the Witcher 3, yes you will lose something like ~10% FPS but the drop in power consumption will make everything cooler.

Does MSI Afterbuner have always to stay open like Throttlestop now?

 

[nguyen]

Does MSI Afterbuner have always to stay open like Throttlestop now?

You can leave Afterburner minimized in task bar but don't close it.

You can use the OSD in afterburner to monitor your CPU and GPU temp, really neat stuff.

 

[Pizzadeliver]

You can leave Afterburner minimized in task bar but don't close it.

You can use the OSD in afterburner to monitor your CPU and GPU temp, really neat stuff.
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Without MSI Cooler boost (vents auto) CPU up to 76°

With MSI Cooler Boost (vents jet-style)

 

[nguyen]

Without MSI Cooler boost (vents auto) CPU up to 76°
With MSI Cooler Boost (vents jet-style)

Is this with the GPU undervolt ? you can leave the fans at auto, the temperature are fine.
Monitor your GPU clock and power consumption would give you an idea where to set your optimal undervolt.

 

[Pizzadeliver]

Is this with the GPU undervolt ? you can leave the fans at auto, the temperature are fine.
Monitor your GPU clock and power consumption would give you an idea where to set your optimal undervolt.

I dunno if I saw well but It seems 5500mhz both with and without undervolt during the Witcher

 

[nguyen]

I dunno if I saw well but It seems 5500mhz both with and without undervolt during the Witcher

That is the VRAM clocks

 

[Pizzadeliver]

Is this with the GPU undervolt ? you can leave the fans at auto, the temperature are fine.
Monitor your GPU clock and power consumption would give you an idea where to set your optimal undervolt.

Care to explain me where I can see the effettive clock? For inceasing the Power Is enough to flat the line at 750/800 etc?

 

[nguyen]

Here is the afterburner settings

here are how they look

Since I lock my GPU at 1290mhz, the power usage can vary from 60W to 70W during games, my 2070 Super Max-Q has a default power usage of 80W.

Well you can experiment with undervolting at 750mV and 800mV, you can switch between the undervolt profile in game anyways, test them out.