5600X vs 9600K

[EarthDog]

You said the 3gb is insufficent if the card has the horsepower to use more which the 780 doesn't

But it does (a 780Ti). I guess I fundamentally disagree with your post, then.

Another GB would leave it in better shape than it is for plenty of modern titles. 1080p/60 is quite possible.

Kinda like how the difference between the 570 4gb vs 570 8gb is hardly any difference.

...because less games use more than 4GB at 1080p, maybe? A 780Ti is still a 1080p/60 card in a lot of titles. It would be able to play more titles with an additional 1GB is all.

 

[tussinman]

But it does. I guess I fundamentally disagree with your post, then.

Another GB would leave it in better shape than it is for plenty of modern titles. 1080p/60 is quite possible.

Maybe a tad better but I doubt in modern titles it would matter much. My side rig has a 8GB 480 (which is faster than the 780ti) and in order to get 60FPS on modern titles i'm actually having to turn a few settings down to medium. Medium/High 1080p isn't a Vram killer, especially for a card that doesn't exactly have a ton of horsepower in 2020.

The original statement was him having to trade his 780 in because it didn't have enough Vram when in reality he should of said "it doesn't have enough horsepower" (Vram in this situation is a scapegoat, reality is it's a 7 year old card that isn't fast enough for consistent high/very high settings in 2020)

 

[EarthDog]

The original statement was him having to trade his 780 in because it didn't have enough Vram when in reality it doesn't have enough horsepower

The statement I replied to was talking about a 780 Ti.

I replaced my GTX 780ti not because of it not having enough performance, but because 3 GB of VRAM was no longer enough. It was upgraded to a 1070. So the top of the line GTX 700 card was made insufficient within 2 generations

If you look at reviews of the 2080Ti at TPU... look at the GTX 980 (=780 Ti), you'll find a lot of those games are easily over 60 FPS at High/Ultra. Some of those games, you'll run over 3GB and the gaming experience can suffer. Clearly this isnt the case in all titles. Some there isn't enough horsepower, but in plenty there still is for a 1080p/60/Ultra gaming experience. Put simply, another GB can help in many cases.

EDIT: We'll agree to disagree.

Anyway, we're a bit off topic here... I digress.

 

[tussinman]

The statement I replied to was talking about a 780 Ti.

I know. That's why I wrote "my 8gb 480 is faster than the 780ti"

look at the GTX 980 (=780 Ti)

980 isn't a comp card. I checked 3 different 2016-2017 era techpower reviews (those where the last 2 years that features the 780ti on the benchmarks) and the 780ti was on par if not a percent or 2 slower than the 970. I know for an absolute fact that the 970 has games in 2019/2020 that are requiring some settings turned down to medium for a consistent 60FPS. 780ti is simply just 7 years old that has seen better days. It's lack of horsepower is a much bigger issue then Vram. (reality is it's on par with a 970 that's like a 60 or 70 dollar card in 2020). There's multiple comparable alternatives that have higher Vram options and the benchmarks still don't show anything signficant in 2020

 

[Gwenved]

Here I am with a 1060 3gb and not running out of vram. It does depend on the games you play.

I had a 1060 3Gb (before changing it to a 3070 8 GB) and if it's ok at 1080P with a modern cpu and good DRR4 it's not the case at 2k and not at 4k in lot of games. Say what you want but it's not reliable. I don't care about the VRam, what I want are playable games. Just have a look about the test of the 6900XT in full set....what a deception for all those claiming 8GB of Vram were not enough!

 

[Nordic]

It does when you have the horsepower to 'use' more. If it was a 4GB or even 6GB (overkill at the time for sure, the latter) it would be even better now. Just to cover yourself today no way I would go less than 4GB vRAM.

It depends on the games you play. I only play at 1080p and none of the games I play are especially graphics intensive. I am not running into my vram limit.

For 1080p gaming I still feel like my 1060 3gb is overkill for games. I am not playing the latest console port.

As enthusiasts we love powerful hardware, and that often leads to us overestimating the use case. Not that many people are gambling in 4k. I do feel the upgrade itch. For 1080p gaming there really hasn't been a whole lot of reason to upgrade.

 

[EarthDog]

It depends on the games you play.

Of course... I've said that (almost) throughout. It will vary. But there are some titles that will use over 3GB of VRAM at 1080p that the 780Ti or 1060 3GB (a faster card) could use a small bump in vRAM to help...

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Death Stranding Benchmark Test & Performance Analysis

Death Stranding is one of the most successful titles on the PlayStation. This week, Kojima has released it for PC. We took a detailed look at the graphics that this port can deliver and tested it on 27 graphics cards at three resolutions. DLSS comparison images are included, too.

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DOOM Eternal Benchmark Test & Performance Analysis - 26 Graphics Cards Compared

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Gears 5 Benchmark Test & Performance Analysis

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All of these titles are very close to or over 60 FPS ultra at 1080p and use more than 3GB of VRAM. Moving to 4 or 6 would be a benefit to these, just for example. Look at the 1060 3/6GB in the charts. While the FPS gains are mostly meager, what isn't listed is the game feel when you have enough vRAM. No stutters and what may be unplayable is playable again...or what new title may not be playable due to 3GB can at 4/6GB.

This is a problem the 3090 will likely never have.

For 1080p gaming there really hasn't been a whole lot of reason to upgrade.

For 1080p/60 I agree. Nothing like moving from 60 Hz to 144/165Hz though... or upgrading the resolution to 2560x1440 and 144/165 Hz.

 

[andiey]

It depends on the games you play. I only play at 1080p and none of the games I play are especially graphics intensive. I am not running into my vram limit.

For 1080p gaming I still feel like my 1060 3gb is overkill for games. I am not playing the latest console port.

As enthusiasts we love powerful hardware, and that often leads to us overestimating the use case. Not that many people are gambling in 4k. I do feel the upgrade itch. For 1080p gaming there really hasn't been a whole lot of reason to upgrade.

Looks like staying with 1080p is the safest

 

[R0H1T]

It depends on the games you play

 

[Nordic]

Looks like staying with 1080p is the safest

Hmm. That depends on what games you and or your friends play.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Gone a bit off topic here, maybe should discuss this in a GPU thread....just saying

 

[Gwenved]

Gone a bit off topic here, maybe should discuss this in a GPU thread....just saying

You're absolutely right, but at the same time for which use you want to change your cpu??

 

[andiey]

Just to play games better

 

[RandallFlagg]

Not real sure why you'd do a full kit upgrade.

You can get a 9900K for ~$300, and it is directly competitive with a 5600X.

And you don't need a new motherboard.

And you don't need to wait.

And you'll be faster in multi-threaded apps.

9900K and 10700K are pretty much the same -

Techspot : 5600X is 2.5% faster

TPU : 9900K is 0.4% faster

When you go multi-threaded productivity, the 9900K / 10700K will generally win :

 

[andiey]

I have to sell the 9600K first. But it's not easy to sell it, that's the problem.

 

[andiey]

Out of curiosity, I overclocked using AI Optimize in the Asus BIOS, and the system rocks at 4.95 GHz.

The difference is quite noticeable from the boost frequency of 4.5Ghz.

Quite interesting ly, the Corsair H100i set to Extreme fan mode doesn't make much difference when playing Civ 6.

But I m very stunned by the results. It's snappier. Steve Burke of Gamer Nexus once commented this is a King of Gaming CPU in his review. Now I do see it for myself.

I m not selling it though I have no plan to use the overclocked frequency on a daily basis.

 

[Vario]

I have to sell the 9600K first. But it's not easy to sell it, that's the problem.

Keep the 9600K. Wait another gen. If its like my 8600K, you can overclock it higher than the 9900K for single thread. The 9900KS must have raided all good 9900K bins. I tried two 9900K and they were both terrible, stock performance was 3.5GHz because they would hit 200W and downclock.

One could do 4.7 at 1.25V which was okay but couldn't run ram over JEDEC and the other could run ram okay but required 1.35V for 4.5GHz and that second one always pulled 200W under load.

I built a system with a 9900K a year ago and it could do 4.8GHz at 1.26V, 3600 C16 ram, and sipped on 120W. I was hoping for atleast the same this time around. Maybe bad luck but it wasn't worth the hassle.

Compare to my 8600K that does 4.6 at 1.18V, 65W full load, 55*C on aircooler, and can run the same ram to 4300 easily. On single threaded games the i5 was capable of better performance with an overclock than the i9.

 

[agentnathan009]

search for YouTube videos like the one below to get an idea. 5600X will likely meet or exceed 9600K, and may fall short in a handful of games.