RDNA 2.0/Big Navi will be aplenty at launch as confirmed by an AMD employee

dragontamer5788 · Sep 29, 2020

Vayra86 said:
Its not even about being worse than Nvidia. Even if they get the same efficiency on it as Nvidia they're still stuck right at 3070 level, and not above it, with 512Gb/s.

Steps forward is fine, but what I'm seeing is that Navi won't just do on the PC what its' made to do on consoles. There is some magical cache... and yet no word or live preview of its performance advantages... smoke > fire... This is supposed to release this fall, right? Not that Nvidia's approach is much different btw, RTX IO is of a similar nature I believe and in a similar state.

PS5 is only 448GB/s and XBSX is only 560 GB/s. And the consoles need to "share" that bandwidth with their CPU. I'm pretty confident that Navi2x will be superior to consoles, even with slightly smaller bandwidth.

I think you have a good point about NVidia having a raw bandwidth advantage. Its hard for 512GB/s to compete against 760GB/s (3080) or 936GB/s (3090). That's capital B by the way, bytes, not bits.

kapone32 · Sep 29, 2020

This launch is against everything AMD has usually done with their GPU announcement/launch window. I am pleasantly optimistic that Navi will be much faster than the 5700XT at or near the same MSRP (They can't really price it that much higher than the $600 ceiling that is PS5 & XBox1x MSRP)? In the short time AMD's value has grown exponentially and in the long term they have been developing Navi since 2016. It remains though that I am already uber impressed with the 5700 and I expect for those of us that have been with AMD since the Pitcairn days that we will be impressed with Big Navi.....if you can get one on launch day but I am not as worried about AMD GPU launches. There is still a ton of mind share for AMD to make up but their GPU software package is a winner for me with it's flexibility and ease of use.

Vayra86 · Sep 29, 2020

Lindatje said:
Yea news, you know what it means? Tech news not Nvidia news.

What is this? Kindergarten? Make up the coolest story you can think of?

I'm not sure what you're laughing about but its pretty damn sad if you're that far off reality. You never even linked a source, still, and even if you did, you already were invited to look at technical details (bandwidth relative to Ampere) to see why your ideas aren't credible. And here you are, repeating how great the 'news' is that you find in your search bubble.

I can't even fathom the level of stupid involved here. I thought people used to teach kids 'Don't believe everything you see on Teevee!'...? Genuinely baffled, seriously.

Lindatje · Sep 29, 2020

@Vayra86

ZoneDymo · Oct 3, 2020

Frank Azor is reaaaaally nto a trustworthy source im sorry to say.

Fluffmeister · Dec 9, 2020

ZoneDymo said:
Frank Azor is reaaaaally NOT a trustworthy source im sorry to say.

Confirmed.

EarthDog · Dec 9, 2020

Yeah, that bet didn't age well.. lol.

Fluffmeister said:
Confirmed.

Wonder if he paid up..Im assuming he's a man of his word at least.

Is there a link to that somewhere?

xkm1948 · Dec 9, 2020

EarthDog said:
Yeah, that bet didn't age well.. lol.

Wonder if he paid up..Im assuming he's a man of his word at least.

Is there a link to that somewhere?

That dude went into full hiding mode. Completely silent on social media following the vapor launch

Fluffmeister · Dec 9, 2020

EarthDog said:
Is there a link to that somewhere?

Voila:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1309134647410991107

Space Lynx · Dec 10, 2020

Fluffmeister said:
Voila:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1309134647410991107

until AMD releases the numbers we won't know if it was a paper launch or not, and at what number released is a requirement by the community to not be considered a paper launch when you factor in covid/more people getting into gaming/combined with scalpers, etc. and comparing scalpers numbers from previous launches to this one, until you have those numbers you can't really say.

Fluffmeister · Dec 10, 2020

lynx29 said:
until AMD releases the numbers we won't know if it was a paper launch or not, and at what number released is a requirement by the community to not be considered a paper launch when you factor in covid/more people getting into gaming/combined with scalpers, etc. and comparing scalpers numbers from previous launches to this one, until you have those numbers you can't really say.

I look forward to taking your $10

warrior420 · Dec 10, 2020

I ended up getting a 6800XT from their site. So, it's real....

EarthDog · Dec 10, 2020

No numbers needed. It wasn't a paper launch... neither was Nvidia. They all sold out. Who had more??? Who cares. Neither are available in a go-to-website-pick-card-and-go status.

Azor's last post was 11/18... then nada. Coincidence or not, that's funny.

Has anyone called him out on it? Surely he'll be literal in defining "paper launch" to cover his ass...lol.

Darmok N Jalad · Dec 10, 2020

I don't know why the scarcities are such a surprise. Supply chains are still constrained, so many new tech items have been hard to come by this 2020, be it consoles, newer CPUs and GPUs, M1 Macs, etc. If it's a high-demand product, it's not unusual to find it sold out with a long fulfillment time. Normally my local Microcenter has a lot more options for CPUs and motherboards than what they do right now. If you want a last-gen item, you have a better chance, but even that's no guarantee.

What is surprising is that anyone would be willing to imply that the supply chain would be good in a year where something as basic as toilet paper was hard to come by at times. A "paper launch" we all needed and we didn't get one!

R-T-B · Dec 10, 2020

Darmok N Jalad said:
I don't know why the scarcities are such a surprise. Supply chains are still constrained, so many new tech items have been hard to come by this 2020, be it consoles, newer CPUs and GPUs, M1 Macs, etc. If it's a high-demand product, it's not unusual to find it sold out with a long fulfillment time. Normally my local Microcenter has a lot more options for CPUs and motherboards than what they do right now. If you want a last-gen item, you have a better chance, but even that's no guarantee.

What is surprising is that anyone would be willing to imply that the supply chain would be good in a year where something as basic as toilet paper was hard to come by at times. A "paper launch" we all needed and we didn't get one!

This. So much this.

I don't know why people are surprised, but then, we have people claiming this pandemic isn't that big of a deal, so why am I surprised. Newsflash: It is a big deal, and when you can't get toilet paper you sure as hell can't find a GPU.

moproblems99 · Dec 10, 2020

R-T-B said:
when you can't get toilet paper you sure as hell can't find a GPU.

But everybooty needs TP. Only needs need GPUs.

15th Warlock · Dec 10, 2020

Boy did that backfire in spectacular fashion...

One word: hubris

neatfeatguy · Dec 10, 2020

R-T-B said:
This. So much this.

I don't know why people are surprised, but then, we have people claiming this pandemic isn't that big of a deal, so why am I surprised. Newsflash: It is a big deal, and when you can't get toilet paper you sure as hell can't find a GPU.

So....

Folks are snatching up GPUs and CPUs left and right to wipe their ass with because they can't find toilet paper? Ouch, sounds mighty painful!

R-T-B · Dec 10, 2020

neatfeatguy said:
So....

Folks are snatching up GPUs and CPUs left and right to wipe their ass with because they can't find toilet paper? Ouch, sounds mighty painful!

More like, you can't make a basic product, good luck making a complex one.

moproblems99 said:
But everybooty needs TP. Only needs need GPUs.

It's 2020. Nearly everyone is a nerd.

Athlonite · Dec 10, 2020

I can find loads of stock for AMD Ryzen 6000 CPU's but nada for RX6800/xt cards a couple of places had RX6900's up for sale but wasn't interested at the prices they wanted

EarthDog · Dec 10, 2020

Darmok N Jalad said:
What is surprising is that anyone would be willing to imply that the supply chain would be good in a year

That's...that's uhh... that was the point of us ridiculing the bet, guy(s).

I don't think anyone was surprised to see how it turned out... just surprised that dude put something like that up on Twitter to get pwnt later on.

Chomiq · Dec 10, 2020

Athlonite said:
I can find loads of stock for AMD Ryzen 6000 CPU's but nada for RX6800/xt cards a couple of places had RX6900's up for sale but wasn't interested at the prices they wanted

In Poland both x-kom.pl and morele.net (listed as official retailers by Nvidia and AMD) have recently pulled their listing for 6800 regular and XT. X-kom.pl no longer lists any 3080s for sale and recently switched off their customer support phone line.
Just yesterday I've got a notification about availability of 3080 Tuf at another retailer also mentioned on Nvidia's site. Price was almost 700 PLN over "regular" list price, with a -200 PLN promo. That came in to almost €1000 on "sale".

Athlonite · Dec 10, 2020

Chomiq said:
€1000

holy shit that's expensive that translates into $1,620.48NZD no freakin way I'd pay that sort of money for gaming GPU

Chomiq · Dec 10, 2020

Athlonite said:
holy shit that's expensive that translates into $1,620.48NZD no freakin way I'd pay that sort of money for gaming GPU

Yeah with that price you could buy both Xbox Series X and PS5.

RainingTacco · Dec 11, 2020

Darmok N Jalad said:
I don't know why the scarcities are such a surprise. Supply chains are still constrained, so many new tech items have been hard to come by this 2020, be it consoles, newer CPUs and GPUs, M1 Macs, etc. If it's a high-demand product, it's not unusual to find it sold out with a long fulfillment time. Normally my local Microcenter has a lot more options for CPUs and motherboards than what they do right now. If you want a last-gen item, you have a better chance, but even that's no guarantee.

What is surprising is that anyone would be willing to imply that the supply chain would be good in a year where something as basic as toilet paper was hard to come by at times. A "paper launch" we all needed and we didn't get one!

Supply chains must be constrained in GPU market only, because other retailers in different markets or aliexpress deliver everything on time, and there are no shortages. I smell some covid bullshit price fixing, and we consumers as always will pay.

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RDNA 2.0/Big Navi will be aplenty at launch as confirmed by an AMD employee

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