Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[EarthDog]

Does anyone know yet if the two shot vaccine spaced a month a part is one and done vaccine like the shots we get when we are babies? Or will it be needed every 6-12 months to maintain antibodies? Or do we just not know yet?

we don't yet...these have only existed for a few months.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Does anyone know yet if the two shot vaccine spaced a month a part is one and done vaccine like the shots we get when we are babies? Or will it be needed every 6-12 months to maintain antibodies? Or do we just not know yet?

As ED has said, however it is likely that it will require further top up's very much like the Flu, we just don't know yet, I mean the UK's flu vaccine is a cocktail which includes a vaccine for the H1N1 Swine Flu so anything is possible, it is said that usually a vaccine lasts significantly longer than natural immunity but again we will need to see that to believe it.

Pfizer is 3 weeks apart, full immunity 7-14 days after 2nd jab (allegedly)

 

[dragontamer5788]

Does anyone know yet if the two shot vaccine spaced a month a part is one and done vaccine like the shots we get when we are babies? Or will it be needed every 6-12 months to maintain antibodies? Or do we just not know yet?

It lasts longer than 8-months. But that's all people know so far. In a month or two, we'll know if it lasts longer than 9-months or 10-months (or however often those studies decide to publish).

 

[EarthDog]

The flu shot is offered annually... but that's because of different strains, right? They see/predict the most common strain and that's what they shoot for?

So far, the mrna based shot(s) will cover any of the different mutations. So id guess we don't have to at this point, but it depends on how long the antibodies etc last (which we don't know).

 

[dragontamer5788]

The flu shot is offered annually... but that's because of different strains, right? They see/predict the most common strain and that's what they shoot for?

Yes.

But also because flu-vaccinations only last ~6-months. So even if it was the same flu, it will be worn out by the next year. For this reason, you're not supposed to get your flu shot in July (which would be too early: wearing off before the end of the flu season).

 

[lexluthermiester]

So even if it was the same flu, it will be worn out by the next year.

That's not how the human immune system works. New vaccinations are for new strains.

 

[EarthDog]

That's not how the human immune system works. New vaccinations are for new strains.

After reading, it's both.

It lasts around 6 months before the antibodies start to wane...and there are new strains they may update the shot for.

Selecting Viruses for the Seasonal Flu Vaccine

Vaccine composition is reviewed each year and updated as needed based on which influenza viruses are making people sick.

www.cdc.gov

Flu viruses are constantly changing, so the vaccine composition is reviewed each year and updated as needed based on which influenza viruses are making people sick, the extent to which those viruses are spreading, and how well the previous season’s vaccine protects against those viruses.

Ask The Experts About Vaccines: Influenza | Immunize.org

Read answers by medical experts to healthcare provider questions on vaccines and Influenza.

www.immunize.org

Protection from influenza vaccine is thought to persist for at least 6 months. Protection declines over time because of waning antibody levels and because of changes in circulating influenza viruses from year to year. For people who need only 1 dose of influenza vaccine for the season, yearly vaccination (i.e. in July and August) is likely to be associated with suboptimal immunity before the end of the influenza season, particularly among older adults.

 

[R-T-B]

That's not how the human immune system works.

It is for Coronavirus though, so it might be true in other instances.

After reading, it's both.

Thank you.

 

[lexluthermiester]

After reading, it's both.

That is true only for mutations. Once the immune system understand how to destroy a strain, it does not forget. However, the influenza mutates easily and quickly, thus the need for new vacinations to "re-train" the immune system.

It is for Coronavirus though, so it might be true in other instances.

Not yet it isn't, but such is possible and we're all in for a fun ride if it does.

 

[dragontamer5788]

That's not how the human immune system works. New vaccinations are for new strains.

Upcoming 2020-2021 Influenza Season

What you need to know about the upcoming 2020-2021 influenza season in the United States.

www.cdc.gov

There is no change in CDC’s recommendation on timing of vaccination this flu season. Getting vaccinated in July or August is too early, especially for older people, because of the likelihood of reduced protection against flu infection later in the flu season. September and October are good times to get vaccinated. However, as long as flu viruses are circulating, vaccination should continue, even in January or later.

It is well known in the medical community that flu vaccines only last ~6 months. CDC recommends against July or August vaccinations for this very reason.

The human immune system responds differently to different diseases. Chickenpox is decades (only coming back as Shingles decades later), but the flu is only ~6-months... to the point that July or August vaccinations are a bad idea.

Where does that put COVID19? Well... we'll see when people get reinfected. Its longer than the flu immunity, but probably shorter than chicken pox immunity.

 

[EarthDog]

That is true only for mutations. Once the immune system understand how to destroy a strain, it does not forget. However, the influenza mutates easily and quickly, thus the need for new vacinations to "re-train" the immune system.

I don't get that from the two links provided. It clearly states that protection starts to wane ("reduced protection") after 6 months. If it lasted longer, the CDC would 'allow' people to get these shots a lot earlier than recommended, no? They state not to get it in July/August as that is too early.

This is telling as well..."and how well the previous season’s vaccine protects against those viruses. ". The verbiage also leaves open the possibility of using the same vaccine again for the same strain (they say "may" update). If the same strain is dominant and that is what they are inoculating against, you still need to get the same shot again.

Respectfully, you can say were wrong, but, the CDC and the other reputable link(s) provided tell us otherwise. If you know something different, please support your assertion with links...

 

[lexluthermiester]

I don't get that from the two links provided. It clearly states that protection starts to wane ("reduced protection") after 6 months.

Because the influenza virus mutates.

If it lasted longer, the CDC would 'allow' people to get these shots a lot earlier than recommended, no?

People can go get shots anytime they wish. The CDC only issues advisory data, it is not an enforcement agency.

They state not to get it in July/August as that is too early.

That is only a general advisory.

The verbiage also leaves open the possibility of using the same vaccine again for the same strain (they say "may" update). If the same strain is dominant and that is what they are inoculating against, you still need to get the same shot again.

The vaccine shot being issued changes from season to season to match the most prevalent strain being detected in the populace. There are no assurances that the shot you get will protect you from every strain of influenza out there.

 

[Space Lynx]

The more I think about all of this, not even covid, just everything out there, I am really surprised more companies aren't trying to move to a remote working business model. I know not every field can, but there are so many that can and the companies are still resisting even now. Once this pandemic is gone though, I don't know, it's a shame there is so much resistance to remote job business model. I would prefer it myself, but still can't find anything remote.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The more I think about all of this, not even covid, just everything out there, I am really surprised more companies aren't trying to move to a remote working business model.

That's because most illness is not deadly not even all that serious. Covid19 has proven to be serious to certain members of the population. There wasn't a need previously.

 

[EarthDog]

Because the influenza virus mutates.

People can go get shots anytime they wish. The CDC only issues advisory data, it is not an enforcement agency.

That is only a general advisory.

The vaccine shot being issued changes from season to season to match the most prevalent strain being detected in the populace. There are no assurances that the shot you get will protect you from every strain of influenza out there.

I'm not sure you're understanding what was said, honestly. I can't break it down any better than they have. Note, I'm not trying to be douchey... I could be missing something... but I sourced the CDC and another reputable site. You haven't sourced anything. Again, respectfully, I'm not trying to take your (anyone's) words at face value. It's not like you're telling us the sun comes up in the East.

Yes, they can get shots at any point. That isn't in question.

It's a general advisory, true. It advises people not to get the shot early because its protection wanes in the months where the flu is prevalent.

As they (CDC) said, there isn't a guarantee the vaccine changes from year to year. So you could get the same shot again to protect against the same, dominant/make people sick strain.

If it was two years/longer, they'd 'advise' us to get them every two years/longer. Instead, it's every year...writing is on the wall this doesn't last for MULTIPLE reasons.

 

[dragontamer5788]

That is only a general advisory.

Key Facts About Seasonal Flu Vaccine

An annual seasonal flu vaccine is the best way to help protect against flu. Learn more about seasonal flu vaccine.

www.cdc.gov

A flu vaccine is needed every season for two reasons. First, a person’s immune protection from vaccination declines over time, so an annual vaccine is needed for optimal protection.

Emphasis again: A person's immune protection declines over time, so you need to repeatedly get vaccinated even against the same strain. This decline is as little as 6-months in the case of older adults.

And of course...

Second, because flu viruses are constantly changing, flu vaccines may be updated from one season to the next to protect against the viruses that research suggests may be most common during the upcoming flu season. For the best protection, everyone 6 months and older should get vaccinated annually.

There's no argument about this 2nd point. So I've separated them out.

 

[kapone32]

Because the influenza virus mutates.

People can go get shots anytime they wish. The CDC only issues advisory data, it is not an enforcement agency.

That is only a general advisory.

The vaccine shot being issued changes from season to season to match the most prevalent strain being detected in the populace. There are no assurances that the shot you get will protect you from every strain of influenza out there.

The "flu" has been studied since before modern medicine. Everything we do as humans to combat Covid is as it goes. It is amazing that a vaccine(s) has been developed in such a short space of time and the effectiveness (and or danger) of them remains to be appreciated and understood fully.

 

[Tatty_Two]

What is interesting is that the H1N1 swine flu vaccine was produced in less than 6 months in the US (despite the world being in awe of the speed we have managed to produce the Coronavirus vaccine, albeit from what I understand Coronavirus has greater complexity) and from what I read it has not changed in the 11 years since, the Flu jab I had last month was a cocktail of 7 vaccine's, H1N1 was in there too, i was pleased about that as I had H1N1 in early 2013 and it was not a recommended experience.

 

[kapone32]

What is interesting is that the H1N1 swine flu vaccine was produced in less than 6 months in the US (despite the world being in awe of the speed we have managed to produce the Coronavirus vaccine, albeit from what I understand Coronavirus has greater complexity) and from what I read it has not changed in the 11 years since, the Flu jab I had last month was a cocktail of 7 vaccine's, H1N1 was in there too, i was pleased about that as I had H1N1 in early 2013 and it was not a recommended experience.

Right but it was still a variant of the "flu" as we understand it and all Flu vaccines are a cocktail to inform your immune system of potential dangers. From what I have read about Covid we thought it was a strain of the flu but it turned out to be something completely different. Indeed many of the things we thought we knew about Covid have been steadily revised or reversed all together. Even at the height of any virus outbreak in the last 20 years we have not seen the response that we have seen to Covid but one of the stats that sticks with me is a Long term Care home near where I live. On one of the Thursdays at the start of this 1 person was infected by the Sunday 39 of the 42 residents had passed away from Covid. Those numbers are alarming and the only thing that Covid has in relation to the flu is transmission. In fact Covid is the only "VIrus" that shut down the world's economy if even for 3 to 6 monthsin a world where nothing ever stops in terms of logisitcs.

 

[robot zombie]

The more I think about all of this, not even covid, just everything out there, I am really surprised more companies aren't trying to move to a remote working business model. I know not every field can, but there are so many that can and the companies are still resisting even now. Once this pandemic is gone though, I don't know, it's a shame there is so much resistance to remote job business model. I would prefer it myself, but still can't find anything remote.

A little OT, but I was kind of hoping being forced to try it might bring some around a little more. Lots of savings to be had, and in some cases much better for workers (no long commutes... or really any of the pitfalls of an office environment.) Many times that environment is simply needed but increasingly more often there are largely unexplored means that could end up revolutionizing both productivity AND work-life balance, both hot issues for office jobs right now.

I kind of wonder... not really knowing what it's like, how nice/not nice it would be to work from home as a coder versus in an environment with distractions. What if you're buying these clothes, losing in wear and tear on vehicle/long-drive-life-energy-sinkage, and getting paid less JUST to mostly sit at a computer all day and hope nothing that has nothing to do with your job distracts you enough to make it take longer/be more stressful?

What about more rote things like data entry? You know?

 

[HTC]

Here's Portugal's updated numbers this week:



The above pics are, in order, last day updated numbers and every day since then until today's numbers (click for full picture), and the below numbers are current totals, week totals and daily averaged this week:

- 70754 active cases --- 1109 less --- 158.4 fewer per day
- 297233 recovered --- 25911 more --- 3701.6 more per day
- 6134 fatalities --- 575 more --- 82.1 more per day
- 374121 confirmed infected --- 25377 more --- 3625.3 more per day

- 5186675 tests taken --- 2476611 more --- 35380.1 more per day but was last updated December 17th and it includes antigen tests as well
- 82591 under watch --- 12579 more --- 1797 more per day
- 3027 hospitalized --- 130 less --- 18.6 less per day
- 483 in ICU --- 30 less --- 4.3 less per day

Was forced to use last Sunday's situation report because the "usual report" wasn't published.

New cases have dropped by roughly 125 per day VS last week, hospitalized decreased roughly 4%, and ICU dropped by almost 6%. Unfortunately the fatalities continue VERY HIGH but decreased VS last week, slightly: we've crossed the 6K fatalities yesterday

The measures we have in place aren't bringing the numbers down fast enough thus forcing the prolonging of the measures, with the economic consequences they bring: our Government's plan to let the restrictions loose more solely for Christmas will likely backfire spectacularly

 

[dragontamer5788]

This is probably the first Sunday that I can remember Hospitalizations going up (There seems to be a "weekend lull" most of the time: hospitalizations going down on Saturday / Sunday / Monday). But this week has been pretty good otherwise: despite going up +27 today, we're down ~17 since last week (and that's after big spikes upwards on Wednesday / Thursday).

#Cases and %Positive remain steady at 2000 and 7.5+% respectively. But we're probably at the point where people "leaving the hospital" has more or less equalized with people "entering the hospital". Well... for now anyway. This is Christmas week after all, and New Years comes next week. Even if major celebrations are rolled back (or even cancelled), private parties / get togethers will inevitably spike the numbers again.

We're probably in the clear after that however. I don't foresee any major events in January that would make things dramatically worse. After that comes Spring, and also the widespread distribution of the vaccine.

 

[Vayra86]

The more I think about all of this, not even covid, just everything out there, I am really surprised more companies aren't trying to move to a remote working business model. I know not every field can, but there are so many that can and the companies are still resisting even now. Once this pandemic is gone though, I don't know, it's a shame there is so much resistance to remote job business model. I would prefer it myself, but still can't find anything remote.

Weeeeelll... I'm working remotely for over a year now, and I can't say I'm happier with my work than I was before.

It gets boring, man. Shit. The ideal balance I'd say would be 1 mandatory and another optional day at the office, and if you 'need' more, you have to apply for it. This would be a fan-tas-tic balance in terms of work/colleague/team spirit factors, having time to focus on your job at home for the other half of the week (or more)... and overall traffic congestion.

How to do this? Make companies pay for every worker that goes to work more than 2 days per week, in all sectors where it is physically possible to work remotely. And actively try to add new jobs to that list.

A dream...

 

[Sithaer]

edited...

I feel that, had similar experiences with various workplaces in the past years.

Worked in various factories and such but I rarely have workmates who I can connect on any level and I do prefer working alone or with 1-2 person at max.
I despise politics and once I had an older workmate who could not stop talking about that and asking me what I think,etc.
Had no idea about the ppl hes talking about as I don't follow any of that crap, after 2 days he almost drove me crazy but luckily I got a new workmate after.

So far I only had 1 place where I had workmates who were ~semi gamers and interested in hardware so that was cool, even my boss was a gamer and around my age. '31'
Stayed at that place for a while but eventually I had to leave cause of other reasons. 'they did not want to let me go'

Currently I only have a part time job from home since late September, its almost like a factory job but I can do it on my own and the ppl I'm working for bring the materials and take away the finished product. 'I work in our own garage under the house'
Not much money but I will take this over nothing or working at a shitty place with a mask on for 8 hours 'I also wear glasses', probably I will do this until things get somewhat better then try to find a 'proper' job but thats hard around here even w/o a pandemic.

Thats why its taking me ~4 months to save up for a 350$ GPU.

 

[EarthDog]

We've got another map for the US... vaccinations..

Vaccines - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

With dozens of COVID-19 vaccines now in clinical trials, it is important to understand the accelerated timelines for development, the different types of vaccines available, and the facts related to vaccine safety and efficacy. Additionally, as vaccines are approved, we will track data on...

coronavirus.jhu.edu