LONG FileNames use 'em for curation and more

[Aquinus]

VisualBasic is the devil.

OO is the devil.

What rubbish most metadata is.
Most of the time I could care less about; type, size and date modified...
Give me the long names.

I really don't understand your obsession with long file names. I really don't. Are you planning on putting all of this information in the freaking file name? Forget the GPS location that's also stored as metadata or literally anything you want to annotate it with, but please, tell me more about how cramming all of this data into a hard-to-use file name is going to help you.

 

[SpectateSwampBANNED]

OO is the devil.

I really don't understand your obsession with long file names. I really don't. Are you planning on putting all of this information in the freaking file name? Forget the GPS location that's also stored as metadata or literally anything you want to annotate it with, but please, tell me more about how cramming all of this data into a hard-to-use file name is going to help you.
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Geeze I'd rather have my long filenames than any of the above.
When curating my video ... It is an ongoing process.
I do a quick rename adding the "folder name" at the front of the file name to each file in that folder.
Then move 'em into their common video or pic or audio folders...

Randomly view / play them then put more info into the file name as required.
We spent too long limited to 8 characters.

 

[SpectateSwampBANNED]

NOW I'm curating everything where I have a receipt, tax info, Govt paperwork. Anything that I may be interested in keeping.
I take a picture... and immediately give it a long filename... DONE.
The info is mine forever and ever... And at my fingertips.
Maybe the greatest curator of all time...

 

[Toothless]

This is starting to sounds like some weird cult. Literally sorting by folder would be so much easier than whatever you're still trying to do.

 

[Aquinus]

This is starting to sounds like some weird cult. Literally sorting by folder would be so much easier than whatever you're still trying to do.

Cults require a following. This is just... odd. I hope that this is satire. I really do. I would have stopped at calling it a fixation or obsession, but the last reply makes me think it's a weird fetish or something. Either that or we're being trolled. I'm really not sure anymore.

 

[SpectateSwampBANNED]

This is starting to sounds like some weird cult. Literally sorting by folder would be so much easier than whatever you're still trying to do.

Having to open folder after folder to find files is the problem, when you have many many many folders. Yup folders are piss poor.

 

[Toothless]

Having to open folder after folder to find files is the problem, when you have many many many folders. Yup folders are piss poor.

Smells like there's a PEBCAK issue with data management. I've never had an issue with searching for files and folders. Ever.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I use a short as possible descriptive name and folders for different categories

I remember the descriptive tag trend lol
What a joke that is for people that are too lazy to rename images off phone/ camera/.... with nothing but a string of numbers with a date maybe to go by but found using a tag was easier than renaming the silly file to something they could identify faster

 

[SpectateSwampBANNED]

Hi,
I use a short as possible descriptive name and folders for different categories

I remember the descriptive tag trend lol
What a joke that is for people that are too lazy to rename images off phone/ camera/.... with nothing but a string of numbers with a date maybe to go by but found using a tag was easier than renaming the silly file to something they could identify faster

My camcorder names the files with 20200827135527 yyyymmddhhmmss which is a good start
"Black bear on green mtn rd eating chokecherries 20200827135527.mpg"

is the one I assign it... there are 2 others with just the mmss change

Another easy adaptation to this app is a language translation.
If I name a file "a large dark coffee please spanish.mp3"
and record that statement in spanish.. Thennnnnn
a quick search for "lar/dar/coff/span" would find and play the spanish translation
I'm unilingual so have little interest in this ...ability

 

[Aquinus]

Smells like there's a PEBCAK issue with data management. I've never had an issue with searching for files and folders. Ever.

In OS X, files can have comments and tags which are searchable in the OS. When using a detailed list view, you can add them as columns as well that can be sorted. There is literally zero reason to cram a ton of data into a filename. There just isn't.

 

[SpectateSwampBANNED]

Smells like there's a PEBCAK issue with data management. I've never had an issue with searching for files and folders. Ever.

I never search for folders... Just for the files that have the info. AND if you have lots of files and don't have a problem thennnn. you lie.

 

[Toothless]

I never search for folders... Just for the files that have the info. AND if you have lots of files and don't have a problem thennnn. you lie.

No lie. I just know how to name and sort my files to where I can find them easily without needing to make a three page essay in the name.

 

[AltCapwn]

I don't recommend using long file name in an enterprise context, more precisely in "Windows" environment. Most of the programs doesn't support path longer dans 255 characters, and may cause issue in applications, backups and restore, shadowcopy, etc...

You should use tags instead of filename, or nomenclated filename. I raged at so much user because of this type of thinking, that all information must be in the filename. It's important to organize using folders AND filenames, not only filename.

But anyway, if you're a mac / linux user exclusively, it shouldn't pose any problem (except headache overtime).

 

[Aquinus]

But anyway, if you're a mac / linux user exclusively, it shouldn't pose any problem (except headache overtime).

In my opinion, that's a problem that stems from just having a lot of files in general. I really didn't find managing files hard on Linux, OS X, or Windows unless I didn't make some level of effort to keep it organized, which you have to do regardless if you use tags, comments, metadata, or through the filename.

All I'm saying is that relying on filename alone is terribly misguided.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
User is always better at finding stuff than outsiders so different strokes for different folks
And if not then time to ask for advice

Can't always go by thumbnails to help you find stuff that is why names exist, just need something a human can identify easier.

 

[SpectateSwampBANNED]

In my opinion, that's a problem that stems from just having a lot of files in general. I really didn't find managing files hard on Linux, OS X, or Windows unless I didn't make some level of effort to keep it organized, which you have to do regardless if you use tags, comments, metadata, or through the filename.

All I'm saying is that relying on filename alone is terribly misguided.

All I'm saying not using long filenames to their fullest potential is terribly terribly misguided.
I use the program name to pass parameters to my search. Just have a number of versions with different names..
Back in the day when Cobol came out... It was big because element names weren't limited to 2 or 3 characters with % and $
People then complained about names being too wordy. Yup long names aren't NEW.
One of the drawbacks to having all videos in your main folder is that the time it takes to load directory info.
Same with too many jpgs.. I move them to 1 or 2 sub folders when they become a pain.
I merge many many small text files into ONE huge one.. Because the content is more important than the name.
Few few files are ever printed or sent more than once.

Long FileNames rule

 

[jboydgolfer]

this reminds me of.....

 

[SpectateSwampBANNED]

No lie. I just know how to name and sort my files to where I can find them easily without needing to make a three page essay in the name.

I don't need to know the file name... I can find 'em by partial names and instantly.

Bear (Iron Gut) munching Hoary Alyssum 20191008171212.mpg
can quickly be found and played by entering
"bear/gut/hoary"
or any other combination of characters in the name OR Randomly

I seldom use more than 50 or 60 characters in the file name.

 

[Toothless]

I don't need to know the file name... I can find 'em by partial names and instantly.

Bear (Iron Gut) munching Hoary Alyssum 20191008171212.mpg
can quickly be found and played by entering
"bear/gut/hoary"
or any other combination of characters in the name OR Randomly

I seldom use more than 50 or 60 characters in the file name.

You're not going to find a file quickly by not knowing any of the name. If I have a file with four words in it Windows will have it up by the second word being completed, so partial like what you're saying. You're also using a dedicated program to find your files when most of us get by with proper organization and naming.

If I need to find a file, for example Abyss.ini (it's a game modification settings file, perfectly legal) then all I need to do is type in "abyss" and bam, it's there along with the folder of where it is. If I want to watch a downloaded show I can look up the folder of a specific season and oh nooooo I can take the one second to pick the episode after search has brought me to the folder.

Your idea would work if you had a server farm of facebook data so you can see when Bobbie Pepsifan's dog puked in the beer by having post data linked to pictures, but for 99.9% of Lysol disinfectant of the time it's an overly massive waste of time unless your OCD and free time permit you have nothing better to do.

 

[SpectateSwampBANNED]

You're not going to find a file quickly by not knowing any of the name. If I have a file with four words in it Windows will have it up by the second word being completed, so partial like what you're saying. You're also using a dedicated program to find your files when most of us get by with proper organization and naming.

If I need to find a file, for example Abyss.ini (it's a game modification settings file, perfectly legal) then all I need to do is type in "abyss" and bam, it's there along with the folder of where it is. If I want to watch a downloaded show I can look up the folder of a specific season and oh nooooo I can take the one second to pick the episode after search has brought me to the folder.

Your idea would work if you had a server farm of facebook data so you can see when Bobbie Pepsifan's dog puked in the beer by having post data linked to pictures, but for 99.9% of Lysol disinfectant of the time it's an overly massive waste of time unless your OCD and free time permit you have nothing better to do.

Dang you long filename haters.... Booo

 

[kayjay010101]

This discussion is really giving me TempleOS vibes.

 

[Toothless]

Dang you long filename haters.... Booo

I don't hate it. I just see it as resources being spent that could be used elsewhere. If you spent all these years remastering Fate (dungeon crawler rpg) then you'd have my interest and money. If your code was cleaned, updated, and worked with all file names, types, and without long names which I assume it does, then yeah I'll be down with that. When your file name is longer than my full name and social security number there lies some wtf-ery.

 

[Aquinus]

Dang you long filename haters.... Booo

That isn't it at all. I'm going to quote some of my earlier posts.

Reinventing the wheel is okay if it's a better wheel. I personally see value in things like data deduplication and being able to search your files with your own metadata. I think there is value in that, but there isn't value in trying to cram all of that information in a filename. I think the idea is fine, I just question the implementation.

All I'm saying is that good software solutions exist and that people like me, who do this kind of thing for a living, are going to take a different approach for good reasons and when you open your software for critique, expect some honest feedback.

I'm sorry, but your implementation is bad. The idea is good, but obsessing over filenames isn't going to get you anywhere. A good engineer doesn't do that.

 

[SpectateSwampBANNED]

That isn't it at all. I'm going to quote some of my earlier posts.


I'm sorry, but your implementation is bad. The idea is good, but obsessing over filenames isn't going to get you anywhere. A good engineer doesn't do that.

My implementation isn't bad... It's the only one like it..
When long filenames have been discouraged... AND should have been praised... That isn't good engineering.
Yup the greatest feature of programming and it has been ignored. Not good engineering as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Toothless]

Thread is going nowhere at this point. This is really someone stuck in their ways that won't listen to reason or advice, and the "my way or highway" feeling is getting stronger.

It's been proven long file names aren't a thing since barely anyone uses them. We already have file searching tools and have for a long time. Making a home brewed program and trying to make wine from water is cool and all, but literally you're the only one here that thinks it's the best thing ever.

People have tried to help, give advice, politely correct, and you ignored it all. Nothing more to say since we're running into brick walls and those are bad for your teeth.