Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[iambkm01]

Before you do that, what are you testing with? Use HCI Memtest or Testmem5

I've only used OCC test so far , the first one, for 1hr. However, my PC never crashed during this test, everytime i crashed/got BSOD, it was when i was using my programs , browing web, moving windows from left to the right monitors, etc.

 

[biffzinker]

@Durvelle27 You can reduce the size of your screenshots by clicking the active title bar, and holding alt+prtsc. Then paste from the clipboard in MS Paint/Photo editor, and save as a jpg. Your photo's are 5/5.5MB for each.

Sample 513KB:

 

[tabascosauz]

I've only used OCC test so far , the first one, for 1hr. However, my PC never crashed during this test, everytime i crashed/got BSOD, it was when i was using my programs , browing web, moving windows from left to the right monitors, etc.

Use HCI or TM5. For HCI the free version start multiple instances of about 2-3GB until youve filled all your memory save for 1GB or so. For TM5, find the anta777 extreme .cfg, rename it to MT.cfg and replace the file by the same name in the TM5 folder.

@Durvelle27 You can reduce the size of your screenshots by clicking the active title bar, and holding alt+prtsc. Then paste from the clipboard in MS Paint/Photo editor, and save as a jpg. Your photo's are 5/5.5MB for each.

Sample 513KB:
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damn, learn something new every day

 

[iambkm01]

Use HCI or TM5. For HCI the free version start multiple instances of about 2-3GB until youve filled all your memory save for 1GB or so. For TM5, find the anta777 extreme .cfg, rename it to MT.cfg and replace the file by the same name in the TM5 folder.



damn, learn something new every day

Ok thanks. let me get all of that ready. you want me to run these tests with the new timings right even tho i might crash?

 

[Durvelle27]

@Durvelle27 You can reduce the size of your screenshots by clicking the active title bar, and holding alt+prtsc. Then paste from the clipboard in MS Paint/Photo editor, and save as a jpg. Your photo's are 5/5.5MB for each.

Sample 513KB:
View attachment 183762

They are large as I’m uploading directly from my IPad and they are actual pictures and not screenshots

 

[biffzinker]

They are large as I’m uploading directly from my IPad and they are actual pictures and not screenshots

Why not just do it on the computer of the active window instead of photos/pictures? Unless you have more than one window you're trying to capture it would make loading in the web browser faster for everyone.

 

[tabascosauz]

Ok thanks. let me get all of that ready. you want me to run these tests with the new timings right even tho i might crash?

Probably run TM5 for now. The anta777 config finishes in about an hour (at least for a 16GB kit). HCI takes longer.

Both are actual memory stability testers that OCers use, instead of some random CPU stress test

 

[Durvelle27]

Why not just do it on the computer of the active window instead of photos/pictures? Unless you have more than one window you're trying to capture it would make loading in the web browser faster for everyone.

My desktop is not connected to the net currently and I'm in and out the house. Its quick to snap a quick pic and than leave back out

 

[INSTG8R]

My desktop is not connected to the net currently and I'm in and out the house. Its quick to snap a quick pic and than leave back out

well you can change the size before you upload it as well on your iPad I do it all the time

 

[Durvelle27]

well you can change the size before you upload it as well on your iPad I do it all the time

Very true, I don't be thinking it through

So based on my screenies what do you think

 

[tabascosauz]

Very true, I don't be thinking it through

So based on my screenies what do you think

I think you've got a good chip, and I think your VSOC is typical ASRock - ie. way too high.

Think you have to turn off something to allow manual VSOC adjustment. Could be uncore OC.

 

[biffzinker]

@tabascosauz
A few replies back you mentioned having Gear Down Mode on, and selecting 1T for 1.5T. I tried this before on the B450 Tomahawk but doing that would get me a no POST (reset CMOS.) Yesterday I looked again under DRAM Timings, I noticed there is a Gear Down Mode option in with 1T/2T, and Auto. I picked the GDM option, and it worked? Seems now the CMD rate is 1.5T I'm guessing. Latency in AIDA64 dropped a little bit from before, and bandwidth in copy is up a small amount.

 

[Mussels]

Use TPU capture for screenshoits

alt-prtsc here takes the screensht of the app and gives me a forum handy link for it

 

[tabascosauz]

@tabascosauz
A few replies back you mentioned having Gear Down Mode on, and selecting 1T for 1.5T. I tried this before on the B450 Tomahawk but doing that would get me a no POST (reset CMOS.) Yesterday I looked again under DRAM Timings, I noticed there is a Gear Down Mode option in with 1T/2T, and Auto. I picked the GDM option, and it worked? Seems now the CMD rate is 1.5T I'm guessing. Latency in AIDA64 dropped a little bit from before, and bandwidth in copy is up a small amount.

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AGESA is pretty wack, I'm pretty sure there's a Geardown switch in like 3 different places on some boards including the CBS menu. MSI is kinda unique in lumping it in the same menu with CR.

Were you on 2T before? 3200 is low enough a speed I think you might even get away with 1T without much issue, but GDM stability is always welcome.

 

[harm9963]

AGESA is pretty wack, I'm pretty sure there's a Geardown switch in like 3 different places on some boards including the CBS menu. MSI is kinda unique in lumping it in the same menu with CR.

Were you on 2T before? 3200 is low enough a speed I think you might even get away with 1T without much issue, but GDM stability is always welcome.

Yes it is ,to many bells and whistle !

 

[Mussels]

My asus board is like that, got 3 copies of some settings and i have no idea what the difference is - you can turn one on, reboot, and the other is still off

PBO is like that, i can have it disabled and enabled at the same time and it hurts my brain

 

[Durvelle27]

My asus board is like that, got 3 copies of some settings and i have no idea what the difference is - you can turn one on, reboot, and the other is still off

PBO is like that, i can have it disabled and enabled at the same time and it hurts my brain

What clocks do you run

 

[tabascosauz]

everyone: canada is such a great place to live!
canada:

Am one of those aforementioned 50 backorders for the 5900X; I only asked because I was originally told about 6-10 weeks and it's coming up on the end of that window.

5600X and 5800X don't exist.
Neither do any of the 30 series.
Neither the 6800 or 6800XT, they actually didn't even launch at launch here.
Neither do any of the last gen RTX.
There's 1 single (ONE) 5700 XT available, in store on the island. ONE unit. It's the shitty Asus Dual one.

Ahh the beauty of canuckistan

Actually kinda hoping the rabid AyyMD crowd can trash Intel a little harder on reddit, if it means I can have a shot at getting a 11700K instead when it launches

 

[biffzinker]

Were you on 2T before? 3200 is low enough a speed I think you might even get away with 1T without much issue, but GDM stability is always welcome.

No AIDA64/Zen Timings showed 1T with the Auto option selected but GMD lower in the DRAM Timings section was on Auto. When I have tried 1T with GDM disabled it's a no POST with four slots filled even at 3200 MHz. The only time I've seen 1T work is with two of the 3200 MHz sticks at 3466 MHz.

 

[Mussels]

What clocks do you run

Eco mode with +200Mhz in PBO

if i was doing multi threaded work i'd turn eco off, i'm boosting to 5050 so i dont see any need to tweak beyond that

 

[Durvelle27]

Eco mode with +200Mhz in PBO

if i was doing multi threaded work i'd turn eco off, i'm boosting to 5050 so i dont see any need to tweak beyond that

What benefit does Eco mode bring
Based on name I’m guessing lower power consumption

 

[Mussels]

What benefit does Eco mode bring
Based on name I’m guessing lower power consumption

caps to 65W TDP (like 85W PPT?)
lowers multi threaded performance a little to save that wattage, but doesnt hurt single threaded
it's kind of like a PBO profile so you can modify the three numbers it changes as you wish

 

[Alyjen]

ECO mode is great, for few days I was testing ECO with PPT limits increased to 92W (defaut is 142W, default for eco is 88) for my 5800X and I was able to get ~5800 +/- 50 points in CB R20 multithread, for 50W less and way lower temps. My default PBO auto scores are around 6050 +/- 50 points. Single thread as mentioned unaffected.
If I'm ever to OC this CPU I'll start at ECO or a little over ECO mode and tweak it up to get as close to stock performance as it's possible, without this extra heat & wattage.

 

[Mussels]

i'd just raise ECO PPT, move it from the 85 ish its on now to 125 or so - if i was doing some task that needed a lot of long term CPU power like rendering i'd just use my server or VR system anyway, and leave this one for gaming lol

 

[Fluffmeister]

Gents, relatively new to the Zen garden but haven't got lost yet. Using a 3700X in a B550 Tomahawk as per my specs and it's been solid as a rock with no issues at all, certainly nothing that I have noticed at least!

Now I appreciate if it isn't broke, don't fix it. But any pros and cons to updating to any of the following, these are the BIOS listed on MSI's support page for my mobo:

The bottom A2 BIOS is what it's currently running when I got the board, it runs my Team Group 3600 CL16 RAM fine and this is what it benches at complete stock:


So yeah, worth bothering updating? Looking around I'm seeing mixed messages, and I understand a lot of it is about supporting Vermeer chips anyway.

Cheers