Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

biffzinker · Jan 14, 2021

Fluffmeister said:
Now I appreciate if it isn't broke, don't fix it. But any pros and cons to updating to any of the following

The latest Agesa update adds support for Windows 10's s0i3 sleep state. No idea if it’s also for Zen2. The latest Agesa (1.1.9.0) seems to be targeted for Zen3, and the X570 platform.

I updated BIOS for my B450 Tomahawk, noticed some settings shuffled in the BIOS plus the SAM option. Didn’t notice any change for CPU performance although I didn’t reinstall Windows 10 or the chipset drivers. I eventually reverted back to the previous BIOS version.

dgianstefani · Jan 14, 2021

Took tRC to 44 but no matter what I do can't get 14-14-14 stable

I cri everitiem

tabascosauz · Jan 14, 2021

Fluffmeister said:
Gents, relatively new to the Zen garden but haven't got lost yet. Using a 3700X in a B550 Tomahawk as per my specs and it's been solid as a rock with no issues at all, certainly nothing that I have noticed at least!

Now I appreciate if it isn't broke, don't fix it. But any pros and cons to updating to any of the following, these are the BIOS listed on MSI's support page for my mobo:
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The bottom A2 BIOS is what it's currently running when I got the board, it runs my Team Group 3600 CL16 RAM fine and this is what it benches at complete stock:
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So yeah, worth bothering updating? Looking around I'm seeing mixed messages, and I understand a lot of it is about supporting Vermeer chips anyway.

Cheers

Those are good results. If you had a 5000 chip it'd be a different story, but the current AGESA has been mature for 3000 chips for a long time.

Only reasons you'd want a newer BIOS are if you're running into WHEA errors you can't mitigate or the boosting performance leaves something to be desired. Or if you really want SAM, but the performance difference is pretty negligible.

Board vendors are still scrambling to fix the WHEA errors on 5000, so probably best to steer clear of being their guinea pig if you just have a 3700X and no real reason to upgrade.

Fluffmeister · Jan 14, 2021

Cheers guys, that was my train of thought too, I'll leave it be. :toast:

Alyjen · Jan 14, 2021

dgianstefani said:
Took tRC to 44 but no matter what I do can't get 14-14-14 stable I cri everitiem
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tRCDRD is hard and doesn't scale that good with voltage, for lots of kits there's a wall and you can throw any voltage at it and this one won't go any lower, with GDM OFF & 1T 16 is not bad score at all, hardly any kit can run it flat (like 14-14-14-14-28-42), even less at this frequency

honestly you run better timings than I do on lower feq, and with GDM On

Mussels · Jan 14, 2021

damn kids and their memory overclocks

all these TR and TF timings i have no idea about make me feel old, wheres the good old days of going 2-2-2-5 at 500 volts and being happy with it

INSTG8R · Jan 14, 2021

Mussels said:
damn kids and their memory overclocks

all these TR and TF timings i have no idea about make me feel old, wheres the good old days of going 2-2-2-5 at 500 volts and being happy with it

It’s a rabbit hole I refuse to go down just to see a nanosecond gain in a benchmark...

biffzinker · Jan 14, 2021

Mussels said:
damn kids and their memory overclocks

all these TR and TF timings i have no idea about make me feel old, wheres the good old days of going 2-2-2-5 at 500 volts and being happy with it

You prefer the simpler timings?

Space Lynx · Jan 14, 2021

biffzinker said:
You prefer the simpler timings?

As someone who has overclocked the ram on ryzen in last year several times, the answer is hell yes I miss the old days. honestly its a lot of time consumption, which is why I gave up and just use MSI's BIOS "memory try it feature" which auto oc's, and has me stable at 3433 cas 14-14-14 right now on a 3200 cas 14 kit. i could prob get more out of it, but eh

Mussels · Jan 15, 2021

biffzinker said:
You prefer the simpler timings?

I prefer it when i was given DDR1 500 as a beginner reviewer to keep for life, vs having to pay for things now.

Also i just cant wrap my head around a lot of the subtimings... unless you buy B-die and copy someone elses settings, its too complicated.

Space Lynx · Jan 15, 2021

Mussels said:
I prefer it when i was given DDR1 500 as a beginner reviewer to keep for life, vs having to pay for things now.

Also i just cant wrap my head around a lot of the subtimings... unless you buy B-die and copy someone elses settings, its too complicated.

yep tried the copy thing a lot with my b-die, usually doesn't end well, one time i thought i had something stable for a full month but nope it wasn't lol... best to just do XMP or memory try it feature if you own MSI BIOS

djisas · Jan 15, 2021

Mussels said:
damn kids and their memory overclocks

all these TR and TF timings i have no idea about make me feel old, wheres the good old days of going 2-2-2-5 at 500 volts and being happy with it

Hey, I had some ocz CL2, DDR400 tough

freeagent · Jan 15, 2021

Memory overclocking on Ryzen is pretty boring to be honest.. you aren't missing anything. The difference between 1900 CL14 and 1900 CL16 is almost non-existent. The IF can only move so much, I have a hard time getting under 62ns for latency.. so there is some other overhead there somewhere. I wonder if an older bios would be better, as this one seems optimized for CL16. As for the calculator.. It didn't work too well for me, I had better luck plugging away on my own. What does make it satisfying is you have to work for it.. Intel might be a little more rewarding for your efforts, but I'm pretty content with it.

I had some OCZ 2.5-3-3-6 sticks that would only run cas 2, nothing else. So I ran em as fast as I could at 2-3-3-11 on my NF7-S and then later on my Abit and Asus 939 boards. Weirdest ram ever.

Space Lynx · Jan 15, 2021

freeagent said:
Memory overclocking on Ryzen is pretty boring to be honest.. you aren't missing anything. The difference between 1900 CL14 and 1900 CL16 is almost non-existent. The IF can only move so much, I have a hard time getting under 62ns for latency.. so there is some other overhead there somewhere. I wonder if an older bios would be better, as this one seems optimized for CL16. As for the calculator.. It didn't work too well for me, I had better luck plugging away on my own. What does make it satisfying is you have to work for it.. Intel might be a little more rewarding for your efforts, but I'm pretty content with it.

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I had some OCZ 2.5-3-3-6 sticks that would only run cas 2, nothing else. So I ran em as fast as I could at 2-3-3-11 on my NF7-S and then later on my Abit and Asus 939 boards. Weirdest ram ever.

I get 56ns on my 32gb 2x16 kit. at 3466 14-14-14 - i have 5600x though, i think that helps some

freeagent · Jan 15, 2021

lynx29 said:
I get 56ns on my 32gb 2x16 kit. at 3466 14-14-14 - i have 5600x though, i think that helps some

Yup that would be the deciding factor! I really wanted one of those CPUs too. This one is pretty good though, but you know..

Edit:

It still smacks my 3770K around!

Except in latency :mad:

Edit again:

There's my 3770K :laugh:

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Alyjen · Jan 15, 2021

I have never touched memory OC other than enabling XMP back in Intel times. This time thou.. I thought I'll give it a ago. Kit I got is no use on XMP anyway, 4400CL19 for Ryzen is well not applicable

Having gone through lots of ups and downs and stability issues I think that when the times comes and I'll need 32GB, I'll rather get 2x16 kit with something like 3600CL14 or even CL16 profile, rather than spending few days trying to figure out why something that worked on 2 sticks few months ago, refuses to work on 4

Caring1 · Jan 15, 2021

biffzinker said:
You prefer the simpler timings?

I see what you did there. :laugh:

INSTG8R · Jan 15, 2021

lynx29 said:
I get 56ns on my 32gb 2x16 kit. at 3466 14-14-14 - i have 5600x though, i think that helps some

Not really I could get sub 60ns on my 3700X on the same timings vs my 5600X I mean we are talking a few nanoseconds so I don't actually care but...

Space Lynx · Jan 15, 2021

INSTG8R said:
Not really I could get sub 60ns on my 3700X on the same timings vs my 5600X I mean we are talking a few nanoseconds so I don't actually care but...

i don' care anymore either, which is why im leaving it on easy mode 3466 cas 14-14-14 instead of pushing it harder which i probably could but eh

INSTG8R · Jan 15, 2021

lynx29 said:
i don' care anymore either, which is why im leaving it on easy mode 3466 cas 14-14-14 instead of pushing it harder which i probably could but eh

Well I'm technically running 3600 at 3800 but they are CL18 and can't be tightened at all at 3800 but easily did CL16 at "stock" 3600

Durvelle27 · Jan 15, 2021

Everybody talking timing

and I sit here with 3600 18-19-19-19 :cry:

INSTG8R · Jan 15, 2021

Durvelle27 said:
Everybody talking timing

and I sit here with 3600 18-19-19-19

Phfft! My stock timings are 3600 18-22-22-42. They run fine that loose At 3800 so I won’t complain...

freeagent · Jan 15, 2021

Durvelle27 said:
Everybody talking timing

and I sit here with 3600 18-19-19-19

The speed matters more, you can work around the main timings

Durvelle27 · Jan 15, 2021

INSTG8R said:
Phfft! My stock timings are 3600 18-22-22-42. They run fine that loose At 3800 so I won’t complain...

I may add my stock speeds are

3200 20-22-22-22

freeagent · Jan 15, 2021

Durvelle27 said:
I may add my stock speeds are

3200 20-22-22-22

I'm so sorry.

I can send you some G.Sklill black and whites.. 3200 14-14-14-34.. They can go fast. Shipping might take a bit..

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