NVIDIA RTX 3080 Ti, Eventual SUPER Revisions Allegedly Postponed Indefinitely Amidst Supply Woes

[Anymal]

Time doesnt matter, performance do.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Looking like an RTX3080 for me come March/April. Thought maybe the Ti or Super revision reveal would be coming, but I guess not.

 

[Max(IT)]

3060 has more memory than a 3080, and for likely quite some time going into the future. Crazy times.

not this again...

3060 uses much slower memory and a much narrower bus than the 3080, so your point has very little sense.

they (amd and nvidia) said the supply is going to get way better a couple of days ago, now they're backtracking on that? lol

did they said that ? I missed it...

 

[MxPhenom 216]

not this again...

3060 uses much slower memory and a much narrower bus than the 3080, so your point has very little sense.


did they said that ? I missed it...

They said come March into April things should get better regarding supply.

 

[TheUn4seen]

Miners are the definition of unreliable clientele. Volatile (10s, 100s of thousands of orders one month, 0 the next), they flood markets when they are done with a card (unlike gamers and workstations, which retire their cards at vastly different rates), and of course, the stigma from even working with miners.

There is nothing to be gained from catering to miners, unless if your GPUs are good at mining and uncompetitive in the core gaming market. Right now, anything, even ancient Polaris, are flying off of the shelves. Everything is wildly competitive and in-demand in the gaming market. Overall, better to sell to traditional consumers than catering to mining.

Also, somewhat unrelated, but Nvidia was once, and was long the largest customer of TSMC, before being displaced by Bitmain (a mining ASIC company) a few years ago. I wonder how much of TSMC's production allocation is still going to mining. Same with UMC, SMIC, GloFo, any the myriad of other logic fabs out there. Well, probably not SMIC, given China's official policies on mining.

In the long term they are unreliable. In the short term they are good customers who will happily buy everything you got at the time. This is good when your core supply is unreliable - I'm not even talking about nVidia themselves but rather about retailers and distributors. If you have a customer who will buy all your stock as fast as you can replenish it, you don't care about individuals buying single units. Less hassle, less overhead costs,,, screw individual consumers.

 

[Vayra86]

1080 > 3080 is +2GB (+20%) VRAM but offers +100% core performance.

But sure, the vanilla 3080 is fine and was as intended. Keep believing -despite the intent to fill the whole stack with double capacity alternatives.

 

[Camm]

not this again...

3060 uses much slower memory and a much narrower bus than the 3080, so your point has very little sense.

Indeed, its about double. But we've already seen the 3080 breach its VRAM budget at 4k (DOOM Eternal Max & Cyberpunk 4k in RT Max). RAM bandwidth is one of those things that is always king, until you don't have enough.

But regardless, are you seriously trying to argue that its appropriate that cards higher in the stack have less vram?

 

[Searing]

10GB of VRAM is sufficient today, no need more VRAM for play modern games at 4k resolution.

3080 with 10GB at 700$ is much more aforable that 3080 with 20GB at 1000$

Today 16GB of VRAM is pure marketing for noobs, maybe on next generation of GPUs is necessary but not now.

The 3060 with 12GB is a counterpart of 6700 with 12GB, neither of both cards needs this quantity of VRAM for play at 1080p or 2k but marketing is marketing and sell better these cards.

10GB more VRAM costs <$100, not $300... don't make excuses for nVidia... make the 20GB version $800.

 

[mechtech]

Real men have their own fabs.

 

[yotano211]

Is it so hard for nVidia to just lock their GPUs and prevent them them from runing any crypto currency workload. It's just a waste of energy.

Another mad non-miner

 

[N3M3515]

The sensible thing to do would have been to make 3080's EOL (end of life) and use the silicon to make a 3080Ti instead. Because the 3080 has an inadequate amount of VRAM and should never have been released in the first place

But then they would not be able to charge more for the Ti

 

[yotano211]

10GB more VRAM costs <$100, not $300... don't make excuses for nVidia... make the 20GB version $800.

How would you know how much the ram costs, do you have the contracts with you on how much Nvidia pays for more ram.

 

[evernessince]

Price competition amongst manufacturers is stiff right now, no one can afford to put extra memory on cards just like that.

Nvidia's revenue spiked 40% in less than a year thanks to the pandemic and profit margins are around 60%. Historically speaking Nvidia is making record profits.

Price competition? AMD is essentially matching Nvidia's pricing. This ain't competition, it's a duopoly at this point.

 

[Warsaw]

10GB of VRAM is sufficient today, no need more VRAM for play modern games at 4k resolution.

3080 with 10GB at 700$ is much more aforable that 3080 with 20GB at 1000$

Today 16GB of VRAM is pure marketing for noobs, maybe on next generation of GPUs is necessary but not now.

The 3060 with 12GB is a counterpart of 6700 with 12GB, neither of both cards needs this quantity of VRAM for play at 1080p or 2k but marketing is marketing and sell better these cards.

I'm sorry but you do not know what you are talking about. I play at 5120x1440 resolution with a 6800 and just in Cyberpunk in hitting over 8GB in vram, and my res is about a million pixels less than 4k. In Battlefield 5 when I turn on Ray tracing and ultra settings I'm almost to 10GB of vram, if I increase my resolution multiplier just 20% I'm over 12GB of vram. SoTR is above 8GB as well with default ultra settings.

All these above games are either close to, at limit, or can push above 10GB limit on the 3080. Additionally these games aren't even using mods with texture packs, if they were could rise up even more.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

10GB more VRAM costs <$100, not $300... don't make excuses for nVidia... make the 20GB version $800.

Maybe GDDR6, but GDDR6X is quite a bit more expensive, and only one company is making it right now.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

DIY PC building is de facto death atm at least in Europe.

 

[Max(IT)]

I'm sorry but you do not know what you are talking about. I play at 5120x1440 resolution with a 6800 and just in Cyberpunk in hitting over 8GB in vram, and my res is about a million pixels less than 4k. In Battlefield 5 when I turn on Ray tracing and ultra settings I'm almost to 10GB of vram, if I increase my resolution multiplier just 20% I'm over 12GB of vram. SoTR is above 8GB as well with default ultra settings.

All these above games are either close to, at limit, or can push above 10GB limit on the 3080. Additionally these games aren't even using mods with texture packs, if they were could rise up even more.

you are speaking about allocated VRAM, not used.

Indeed, its about double. But we've already seen the 3080 breach its VRAM budget at 4k (DOOM Eternal Max & Cyberpunk 4k in RT Max). RAM bandwidth is one of those things that is always king, until you don't have enough.

But regardless, are you seriously trying to argue that its appropriate that cards higher in the stack have less vram?

where did you see a 3080 limited by VRAM ? Do you have any link ?

 

[Caring1]

Of course they delayed them, why spread out chip production over many variations when you are milking the consumer quite nicely with current stock.
People seem happy to buy all the available stock at inflated prices, Nvidia must be laughing.

 

[N3M3515]

Nvidia's revenue spiked 40% in less than a year thanks to the pandemic and profit margins are around 60%. Historically speaking Nvidia is making record profits.

Price competition? AMD is essentially matching Nvidia's pricing. This ain't competition, it's a duopoly at this point.

Exactly

Of course they delayed them, why spread out chip production over many variations when you are milking the consumer quite nicely with current stock.
People seem happy to buy all the available stock at inflated prices, Nvidia must be laughing.

Those people must be swimming in money surely. That's a consecuence of gaming becoming so mainstream.

 

[Anymal]

2500 eur for 10 days cruising in Carribean sea or new PC?

 

[newtekie1]

3060 has more memory than a 3080, and for likely quite some time going into the future. Crazy times.

The good ol' marketting tactic of sticking way more RAM on a card than it needs or could ever actually use just to catch the eye of the uneducated buyer...

 

[yotano211]

2500 eur for 10 days cruising in Carribean sea or new PC?

Or 26,000usd sailboat and sail for years where ever you want.

 

[Camm]

The good ol' marketting tactic of sticking way more RAM on a card than it needs or could ever actually use just to catch the eye of the uneducated buyer...

Are you seriously suggesting that Nvidia's higher end cards should have less than its lowest?

 

[chriszhxi]

10GB of VRAM is sufficient today, no need more VRAM for play modern games at 4k resolution.

3080 with 10GB at 700$ is much more aforable that 3080 with 20GB at 1000$

Today 16GB of VRAM is pure marketing for noobs, maybe on next generation of GPUs is necessary but not now.

The 3060 with 12GB is a counterpart of 6700 with 12GB, neither of both cards needs this quantity of VRAM for play at 1080p or 2k but marketing is marketing and sell better these cards.

Cyberpunk 2077 at 2k with cinematic rtx enabled could easily use up 10gb vram.

 

[Valantar]

Are you seriously suggesting that Nvidia's higher end cards should have less than its lowest?

... Maybe rather that it's lowest shouldn't have more than its highest?