Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[thesmokingman]

Wait FMAX kills the boost? i've been flipping that on and off but not sure what it really does, vs what it says it does

Yea it boosts single thread at the cost of multi thread. It's a pretty useless thing they added.

 

[Mussels]

Yea it boosts single thread at the cost of multi thread. It's a pretty useless thing they added.

Oh thats the opposite of what i thought was written

i *want* single core boost

 

[thesmokingman]

Oh thats the opposite of what i thought was written

i *want* single core boost

But you can get that w/o losing boost everywhere else.

 

[Mussels]

But you can get that w/o losing boost everywhere else.

teach me, because i feel like a clumsy idiot and with all these AGESA updates i dont sit at my happy 5050 single core like i did at launch

 

[thesmokingman]

teach me, because i feel like a clumsy idiot and with all these AGESA updates i dont sit at my happy 5050 single core like i did at launch

I use a simple setup with PBO in advanced mode with limits set to manual. For my 5900x I set PPT, TDC, EDC to 200, and then boost override to 125 for ex or higher. I use different profiles for how much extra and don't forget your PPT setting will need to scale with your override. Thus more override will need higher power limit. That nets me 640 ish on single while not limiting multi. On the 5800x you can target around 160w for ex.

 

[Alyjen]

Wait FMAX kills the boost? i've been flipping that on and off but not sure what it really does, vs what it says it does

check your scores in something like CB R20, you'll see the instant you enable FMAX multicore performance will go down, for single core it just takes too long to verify so I can't comment first hand, it's just advised to ignore it, especially on Zen 3
but it does fix Aida64 level 3 cache results

 

[8BitZ80]

yes, the new 1.2.0.0 beta

Seems stable with no WHEAs here, and i got WHEAs when i first had the board and tried 3800/1900 out of the box

Looks like I had the same issue with 3800/1900 causing the WHEA errors. I flashed to the AGESA 1.2.0.0 bios today and it seems to be fixed.

Edit: Yeah that was definitely the problem. I tried 4000/2000 and booted to the desktop, but it was unstable and posting WHEA errors again. I'm calling it good at 3800/1900 lol

 

[INSTG8R]

Looks like I had the same issue with 3800/1900 causing the WHEA errors. I flashed to the AGESA 1.2.0.0 bios today and it seems to be fixed.

Edit: Yeah that was definitely the problem. I tried 4000/2000 and booted to the desktop, but it was unstable and posting WHEA errors again. I'm calling it good at 3800/1900 lol

Thankfully I’ve managed to avoid that nonsense was a big fear moving from my 3700X to 5600X. Glad 1.2 has eliminated it.

 

[Mussels]

I like knowing that i'm pushing the limits of stupidity by sitting at 64GB of ram (too damn much) at 3800/1900, the limit of what these chips can do.
It makes my E-Nips hard.

 

[freeagent]

Should I buy a 5600X from AliExpress?

 

[tabascosauz]

Should I buy a 5600X from AliExpress?

Didn't you only just buy the 3600XT?

Even if it's a legit China market retail box, you may have a bunch of hurdles to deal with - namely, possibly paying customs fees (unless you opt for one of the tray SKUs, in which case you definitely have no warranty), AMD may not recognize the warranty here (unlikely but you never know what kind of rep you run into), and if they do they might still redirect you to the China branch in which case you'd have to ship it all the way back.

There's anecdotal evidence here and there that AMD provides global warranty, but I've been burned too many times by companies' "warranty" promises to trust them at face value.

And all the prices on there are still scalpers so unless you feel like paying nearly 5800X MSRP for a 5600X -

 

[freeagent]

Didn't you only just buy the 3600XT?

Even if it's a legit China market retail box, you may have a bunch of hurdles to deal with - namely, possibly paying customs fees (unless you opt for one of the tray SKUs, in which case you definitely have no warranty), AMD may not recognize the warranty here, and if they do they may still redirect you to the China branch in which case you'd have to ship it all the way back.

Heheh yes I did.. but I originally wanted the 5600 but “settled” with the XT.. it was the same price as the vanilla. There is nothing wrong with the XT, it’s actually a lot better then I expected if I’m honest.. Good point about warranty and customs.. I would get raked over the coals I’m sure.. dammit. Ahh well.

 

[Mussels]

honestly, with "just" a GTX 980 you dont need a faster CPU just yet

 

[freeagent]

Yeah I know..

I "just" have a GTX 980 because there is nothing else available around me, and I refuse to pay retail for a used 10 series locally.

And I am not hurting for a GPU bad enough to pay scalper pricing like others are.

But you are right. I will wait.

 

[Mussels]

I dont want to mock the 980, i had one until just recently when i sold it to a friend for WoW


It's just that with a 3090 i've been able to test how it scales with various CPU's, and it pretty much boils down to what refresh rate you're gaming at


My "mere" 2700x can handle around 100FPS in modern titles, the 3700x around 125 and the 5800x at 165 (yes they all peaked higher, this is more sustained FPS in DX11/DX12 games)

Your 3600XT is on par with the 3700x, and i just cant see a GTX 980 smashing 120+FPS in modern games except at minimum settings

 

[freeagent]

I know I totally get what you are saying.

I told myself I would move to AMD when they were beating Intel again, that was when I left 939.

When Ryzen 3 came that was it for me, I saw the success of their previous gens and was ready to move in.

Like I said, its still a good CPU, its just not the one I wanted.. I could have got the 3700x or higher, but got this one because its just a placeholder.

I would just need a cheap board for this CPU and my kids would have a modern PC to use instead of my old Z77 and X58.

I might just cave and get an Nvidia 10 series or better

 

[ViperXTR]

in my case, i like playing around with console emulation aside from regular gaming, RPCS3 and RyujinX/Yuzu in particular is much more CPU bound and can give the necessary brute force to render it fast enough.

 

[freeagent]

I just like having a fast calculator.

 

[Ruru]

Almost shat my pants yesterday as I rebooted my PC normally and nothing happened, CPU debug led just kept on shining. Seems that the bios got corrupted as I pulled the CPU/GPU/RAM away, put a biosfile on a usb drive and flashed it. Now seems to work like before.

The bios flash button kicks ass.

 

[ViperXTR]

Did you have to remove the CPU, ram and graphics card when you do built in flash button?

Almost shat my pants yesterday as I rebooted my PC normally and nothing happened, CPU debug led just kept on shining. Seems that the bios got corrupted as I pulled the CPU/GPU/RAM away, put a biosfile on a usb drive and flashed it. Now seems to work like before.

The bios flash button kicks ass.

 

[Ruru]

Did you have to remove the CPU, ram and graphics card when you do built in flash button?

Dunno did I HAVE to but I did it anyway as I've read that you're supposed to have no components on the board when flashing with the button.

 

[ViperXTR]

Dunno did I HAVE to but I did it anyway as I've read that you're supposed to have no components on the board when flashing with the button.

Either way, good to know to have such function, it's available on most new boards these days, just in case since I'm currently using a beta bios

 

[Ruru]

Either way, good to know to have such function, it's available on most new boards these days, just in case since I'm currently using a beta bios

I had a beta bios when this started fucking around, now I have the newest non-beta. I also dropped clocks from 4.4 to 4.2 as I can run this on much lower voltage.

 

[ViperXTR]

I had a beta bios when this started fucking around, now I have the newest non-beta. I also dropped clocks from 4.4 to 4.2 as I can run this on much lower voltage.

Strangely enough, the newest non beta gave e headaches and the beta one provided me with the most stability

 

[Mussels]

Dunno did I HAVE to but I did it anyway as I've read that you're supposed to have no components on the board when flashing with the button.

you can leave all the parts on to use the flasher